LaCharles Bentley > Kyle Kosier?

[Teague31]

Assuming the contract expectations are not rediculously high and he can pass a physical, I agree with you Mick.

It is a no brainer. Prior to his injury, Bently was a better player then Gurode, Bigg or Kosier. If you can improve your team in a fiscally responsible way, it's rediculous not to do it.

The language I'm hearing in this thread is simular to a lot of the same kinds of discussion I remember hearing about Columbo when we first signed Him. He, IMO, has certainly been worth the investment. I would be interested in seeing what might be possible if Charles could, in fact, pass a physical.

 

[peplaw06]

Actually Tank Johnson was another "overturned rock" project. The Cowboys weren't counting on him because they knew they couldn't. Whether Tank was signed or not their wagon was hitched to Ratliff.Tank didn't even contribute until late in the season and wasn't even remotely effective until the final couple of weeks. Tank was a wing and a prayer signing. Not much unlike Bentley would be. When you sign a guy like Bentley or Johnson, it's hardly ever about depth anyway so that argument is moot. It's about a low risk high reward gamble.

Like a previous poster said, If we lose the likes of Cory Proctor or Joe Berger to take a look, so be it. If he's no good, then maybe you can pick one of the other guys up. If not the waiver wires ore full of the Proctors and Bergers of the world.

Tank's situation is nothing like this. He was coming off a suspension, not a career threatening injury. When we signed Tank we could at least count on getting him on the field in 8 weeks. AND we signed him to a bargain basement deal.

You can't count on Bentley EVER seeing the field again, and if he thinks he can get a lot of money, I say good luck finding that elsewhere.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Last I heard he was hardly able to walk up stairs.

 

[skinsscalper]

Tank's situation is nothing like this. He was coming off a suspension, not a career threatening injury. When we signed Tank we could at least count on getting him on the field in 8 weeks. AND we signed him to a bargain basement deal.

You can't count on Bentley EVER seeing the field again, and if he thinks he can get a lot of money, I say good luck finding that elsewhere.

I agree that Tank's circumstance was completely different than this. He was on his last chance (or close to it) because of disciplinary issues. However, I think there's is a parallel between Tank and Bentley. Bentley, I believe, is also on his last chance in the league. For the reason that you had mentioned (the fact that he may have suffered a career ending injury) I think Bentley could also be signed to a bargain basement deal. If he wouldn't sign for that then I'm with you. Good luck, see ya later. But if the guy could pass a physical and you got the chance to look at him for a cheap deal I think you owe it to your team, your fans, and yourself (as an owner) to take a look. Most pundits were sure that Marc Colombo was damaged goods as well. Chances are Colombo, and his damaged goods, will laugh all the way to the bank next off-season.

What do you lose by taking a look at Benson on a low bonus incentive laden deal (assuming, of course, that he can pass a physical)?

 

[AbeBeta]

1) Who do you think is cheaper?
2) Who is younger?
3) Who knows whether Bentley can still play after his very serious injuries and the resulting infections, etc.?


The bottom line is this. If he's healthy and can play at a high level, he would be a good addition. However, if all this is true (and we have no idea whether it is or not), he won't come cheap. We have a tremendous amount of $ invested in our OL and can't afford another high-priced player. You can't have a Pro Bowler at every position, especially when you're taking a risk on a player that has had numerous injury problems. Just my opinion.

There is no reason to believe that he wouldn't come cheap. He ain't exactly flying off the shelf at this point.

He's 3 years older than Proctor and Berger. He's 28.

If he is healthy or close to getting there then he's a great addition. We certainly can't have all-pros at every position but we can and should take advantage of opportunties to improve

 

[AbeBeta]

Last I heard he was hardly able to walk up stairs.

so how is it that he passed his physical in Cleveland?

 

[BourbonBalz]

Actually Tank Johnson was another "overturned rock" project. The Cowboys weren't counting on him because they knew they couldn't. Whether Tank was signed or not their wagon was hitched to Ratliff.Tank didn't even contribute until late in the season and wasn't even remotely effective until the final couple of weeks. Tank was a wing and a prayer signing. Not much unlike Bentley would be. When you sign a guy like Bentley or Johnson, it's hardly ever about depth anyway so that argument is moot. It's about a low risk high reward gamble.

Like a previous poster said, If we lose the likes of Cory Proctor or Joe Berger to take a look, so be it. If he's no good, then maybe you can pick one of the other guys up. If not the waiver wires ore full of the Proctors and Bergers of the world.

Once again, you're wrong. Tank was not a "wing and a prayer" player. He was a player that had already proven himself to be very good and he was not coming off major injuries. He simply had some legal issues. We obviously couldn't count on him early because he was suspended. We signed him for two simple reasons: we needed depth on the nose and he came cheap due to his suspension. You can't say the same for Bentley.

 

[BourbonBalz]

There is no reason to believe that he wouldn't come cheap. He ain't exactly flying off the shelf at this point.

He's 3 years older than Proctor and Berger. He's 28.

If he is healthy or close to getting there then he's a great addition. We certainly can't have all-pros at every position but we can and should take advantage of opportunties to improve

Just one question to settle this!!!! Why do you think NO team has signed him yet? Either he's asking for too much $ or he can't pass a physical. Take your choice.

 

[AbeBeta]

Just one question to settle this!!!! Why do you think NO team has signed him yet? Either he's asking for too much $ or he can't pass a physical. Take your choice.

Let me ask you this -- why would he ASK for his release from Cleveland if he knew he couldn't pass a physical? He passed a physical in Cleveland and then decided he wanted to pass up the cash he would have gotten there for another opportunity.

A more likely scenario is that teams right now want to see what they have on their roster post-draft. Since he's had injury issues nobody is going to sign him earlier than necessary for TC.

 

[skinsscalper]

Once again, you're wrong. Tank was not a "wing and a prayer" player. He was a player that had already proven himself to be very good and he was not coming off major injuries. He simply had some legal issues. We obviously couldn't count on him early because he was suspended. We signed him for two simple reasons: we needed depth on the nose and he came cheap due to his suspension. You can't say the same for Bentley.

Uh yea, Tank was a wing and a prayer signing. There was absolutely no indication that Tank would keep his nose clean. The guy had tripped over his own stupidity time and time again. To the point, actually, that his body guard was killed in a scuffle a mere days after Tank's house had been raided and he had been cited for unlawful possession of a firearm. He then topped it off with a DUI arrest in Arizona. It's not that we couldn't count on him early, we couldn't count on him at all. We had all the leverage, sure, Johnson was on his final chance. But don't kid yourself into thinking that the Dallas Cowboys were counting on Tank Johnson at ANY point in the season. Tank wasn't a wing and a prayer PLAYER, he was a wing and prayer SIGNING. If you don't see a parallel between two guys on (possibly) their last chance (regardless of reason) then there's nothing I can do for you.

 

[BourbonBalz]

We won't sign him. Live with it.

 

[burmafrd]

We vetted Tank pretty carefully. And it was noticeable how Smith and virtually all the rest of the Bears said he was a good guy. You claim that Tank stepped into it time and again- I call that BS. AND one of the laws he was supposedly in violation of is about to be over turned.