Hostile;2279628 said:He's come a long way.
This is pathetic. I understand it must be hard for adoring fans to acknowledge that a player is a maniac, especially when the player was so good. But this is more important than football. Michael Irvin attacked his teammate with scissors and nearly killed him. The Dallas Morning News reported (not alleged), on the basis of confidential sources (plural) that Jerry Jones paid off McIver not to cooperate with the authorities. To you, the word of JJ, Irvin, and McIver is stronger than the newspaper's story. Then you are a fool. JJ, Irvin and McIver are not going to admit to obstructing justice. To do so would be to sentence themselves to jail. Of course they are going to deny the payment. The DMN, on the other hand, has no reason to make up this story.Hostile;2279618 said:A newspaper reported Dewey had won over Truman too. Did you even bother to read the part where the deal that the article was reporting was denied by Jerry Jones and that both sides confirmed there were no negative feelings? To me, that is stronger than the allegation which has no proof.
zrinkill;2279681 said:I cannot stand a troll who makes crap up about Cowboy players.
Skinsmaniac;2279684 said:Michael Irvin attacked his teammate with scissors and nearly killed him.
Maybe if you press your hands a little tighter to your ears, you won't have to the bad things the meanies are saying about your idol. Other people might want to know what a scumbag he and JJ are.zrinkill;2279686 said:Case in point.
Skinsmaniac;2279693 said:Maybe if you press your hands a little tighter to your ears, you won't have to the bad things the meanies are saying about your idol. Other people might want to know what a scumbag he and JJ are.
Skinsmaniac;2279684 said:This is pathetic. I understand it must be hard for adoring fans to acknowledge that a player is a maniac, especially when the player was so good. But this is more important than football. Michael Irvin attacked his teammate with scissors and nearly killed him. The Dallas Morning News reported (not alleged), on the basis of confidential sources (plural) that Jerry Jones paid off McIver not to cooperate with the authorities. To you, the word of JJ, Irvin, and McIver is stronger than the newspaper's story. Then you are a fool. JJ, Irvin and McIver are not going to admit to obstructing justice. To do so would be to sentence themselves to jail. Of course they are going to deny the payment. The DMN, on the other hand, has no reason to make up this story.
LOLSkinsmaniac;2279684 said:This is pathetic. I understand it must be hard for adoring fans to acknowledge that a player is a maniac, especially when the player was so good. But this is more important than football. Michael Irvin attacked his teammate with scissors and nearly killed him. The Dallas Morning News reported (not alleged), on the basis of confidential sources (plural) that Jerry Jones paid off McIver not to cooperate with the authorities. To you, the word of JJ, Irvin, and McIver is stronger than the newspaper's story. Then you are a fool. JJ, Irvin and McIver are not going to admit to obstructing justice. To do so would be to sentence themselves to jail. Of course they are going to deny the payment. The DMN, on the other hand, has no reason to make up this story.
Skinsmaniac;2279693 said:Maybe if you press your hands a little tighter to your ears, you won't have to the bad things the meanies are saying about your idol. Other people might want to know what a scumbag he and JJ are.
Hostile;2278207 said:Brokeback Mountain
You might want to read the first post in this thread to see why I am “bringing this up.”30yrheel;2279709 said:so what? is mike irvin on this team?
no Commander player has ever had any personal problems?
does it matter when we're kicking your team's butts again?
why bring this up when it has nothing to do with playing football?
you're desperate man.
Ah, now I know who Hostile is: Ari Fleischer. Run out of arguments, so you try to deflect attention. Dexter Manley was an illiterate drug abuser. I probably feel a little bit sorrier for him than the average illiterate drug abuser because he played for the Commanders. But I’m not trying to pretend that his flaws were concocted in a media conspiracy.Hostile;2279710 said:LOL
Check my History. I'm not a Michael Irvin fan. I already brought up his character flaws. You're the one blind to Dexter Manley's flaws.
12 million in debt because of drugs. Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones is impressed. That's how bad that is.
Let me quote that again.tomson75;2279711 said:I'd be willing to bet that those 'scumbags' have contributed far more to society than yourself. If what you're insinuating did indeed happen, it was simply a business decision on Jerry's part, and if the two sides agreed to it, then deeming Jerry a 'scumbag' is crossing the line.
Irvin may have been a 'scumbag' in many people's eyes at one point, but the man has devoted the rest of his life to improving himself and helping those around him. 'Inspirational' is a more fitting term for Irvin these days.
A “business decision?” A “business decision?” Since when is breaking the law justified as a business decision?tomson75;2279711 said:If what you're insinuating did indeed happen, it was simply a business decision on Jerry's part, and if the two sides agreed to it, then deeming Jerry a 'scumbag' is crossing the line.
Be real careful about political references on this forum. Read our guidelines. You get a pass because it is me you are responding to. Keep politics in the Political Zone. There won't be a 2nd pass.Skinsmaniac;2279745 said:Ah, now I know who Hostile is: Ari Fleischer. Run out of arguments, so you try to deflect attention. Dexter Manley was an illiterate drug abuser. I probably feel a little bit sorrier for him than the average illiterate drug abuser because he played for the Commanders. But I’m not trying to pretend that his flaws were concocted in a media conspiracy.
Skinsmaniac;2279745 said:A “business decision?” A “business decision?” Since when is breaking the law justified as a business decision?
Irvin may have changed his ways in the last few years, I don’t know, but some of those years should have been spent behind bars. The justice system is about punishment as well as rehabilitation.
Without knowing the specifics of Texas law, I can't be sure. But I would suspect that paying McIver to downplay the situation with the Dallas police would be obstruction of justice.tomson75;2279759 said:Where did Jerry Jones break the law?
Out of court settlements are not illegal my friend.Skinsmaniac;2279772 said:Without knowing the specifics of Texas law, I can't be sure. But I would suspect that paying McIver to downplay the situation with the Dallas police would be obstruction of justice.
It isn't that complicated a concept.Aikbach;2279773 said:Out of court settlements are not illegal my friend.
tomson75;2279759 said:Where did Jerry Jones break the law?
He brokered a decision between two men that had an altercation. It happens quite often without any legal ramifications whatsoever. Neither one wished to press charges. Did Jerry hold a knife to McIver's throat too?
Apparently our country's legal system disagrees with you.