Lael Collins vs. Zack Martin vs. Leary

[Crown Royal]

I don't know what they are going to do with Collins but I hope that he does not get equal time at both Guard and Tackle. As a Rookie, it will be hard enough for him to learn all he will need to learn. I hope they decide what they want to do with him and focus on just one position. I think that in the long run, that will be more helpful to his development then splitting snaps.

JMO

It won't be equal time but he'll get a look at both. Martin took a few snaps at tackle his rookie year, and Frederick took a few at guard. They'll move them a little to see if something is there, but unlikely it will be equal time.

 

[Plankton]

Truthfully, I think a line with Leary at guard and Collins at RT presents the best option for the Cowboys long term. May the best player win the battles for those positions. Either way, the Cowboys will have gone from not having five capable starting offensive linemen on the roster to having starting capable linemen on the bench for them in a span of four years. This is very pleasing.

If they can develop Chaz Green and Laurence Gibson to be swing players, or potentially starters, then this would be an absolutely amazing job of drafting and player development.

 

[Galian Beast]

Uh...yeah...I think the OP already said that.

No, he didn't.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

No, he didn't.

At the end of his post...



And I wouldn't pencil Leary to the bench just yet.

He was the only one remotely mentioned of possibly beating out another player.

Although he was saying that it might not be wise to Compare Collins to Zack...he did not say Collins would have to beat out Zack.

If there was anyone he would have to beat out, it would be Leary...hence the last line of his post again...

And I wouldn't pencil Leary to the bench just yet.

 

[AzorAhai]

Leary is an RFA at the end of the season. Since he was undrafted, there is no compensation unless we put a very high tender on him - which we likely won't. So that would mean all we would have is the right to match whatever offer he received. In that scenario, he's netting us nothing in comp picks.

Also, the entire idea that we should let guys walk to get comp picks is a useless strategy. Leary isn't getting some big contract somewhere - he's not a top target for anyone - at best we get a 7th rounder. Those picks are hold very little value. Just look at last year - we pretty much threw away most of our 7th rounders. That's just the nature of those picks.

Why exactly would the Cowboys not put a high tender on Leary? A 2nd Rd tender was 2.3 million this year and the Cowboys wouldn't be willing to commit that to someone who would likely be the top b/u OG in the league? I see zero chance they would not put a 2nd rd tender on him. They gave 2 yr 5.5 million deal to a much worse b/u LB

 

[AbeBeta]

Why exactly would the Cowboys not put a high tender on Leary? A 2nd Rd tender was 2.3 million this year and the Cowboys wouldn't be willing to commit that to someone who would likely be the top b/u OG in the league? I see zero chance they would not put a 2nd rd tender on him. They gave 2 yr 5.5 million deal to a much worse b/u LB

Because that's a hell of a lot to pay for a decent backup?

 

[AbeBeta]

As a rookie, playing at a high level at RT? There are better prospects coming out of the draft nearly every year that are built for the RT spot and have trouble. The guy has poor footwork and **** for balance. He'd be killed by NFL pass rushers, it's simple. You put him in at guard if he beats out Leary and I wouldn't even think of putting him at RT unless we absolutely have to.

Playing at a high level on the OL as a rookie is rare. All rookies have growing pains.

And again poor isn't a reasonable evaluation. Even as the worst part of his game it ain't poor by any stretch.

 

[Galian Beast]

At the end of his post...



And I wouldn't pencil Leary to the bench just yet.

He was the only one remotely mentioned of possibly beating out another player.

Although he was saying that it might not be wise to Compare Collins to Zack...he did not say Collins would have to beat out Zack.

If there was anyone he would have to beat out, it would be Leary...hence the last line of his post again...

And I wouldn't pencil Leary to the bench just yet.

I don't think we get Zack Martin redux this year from Collins. We might want to put a little lid on our excitement until Collins can get his balance and hand work fixed.

This was the meat of his post, his entire post alludes to the difference between Collins and Martin, and says at the end and he isn't sure he is going to better than Leary off the bat either.

The reality is that the Martin comparison is entirely irrelevant as I said, and that he doesn't need to compete or be as good as Martin, he JUST needs to be better than Leary.

 

[yimyammer]

It's a mistake to compare Martin
And Collins. Collins doesn't need to beat Martin he has to beat Leary.

Seems to me it would be better for the team and overall youth of the line if he beat out Free and Leary continued to improve, stayed healthy and signed a reasonable extension.

Of course I'm greedy and that's a helluva parlay to pull off but that's what I hope happens

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't think we get Zack Martin redux this year from Collins. We might want to put a little lid on our excitement until Collins can get his balance and hand work fixed.

This was the meat of his post, his entire post alludes to the difference between Collins and Martin, and says at the end and he isn't sure he is going to better than Leary off the bat either.

The reality is that the Martin comparison is entirely irrelevant as I said, and that he doesn't need to compete or be as good as Martin, he JUST needs to be better than Leary.

I quoted ONE part of your post and was speaking to only ONE part of your post.

ONE.

One...is the loneliest number.

 

[Galian Beast]

Seems to me it would be better for the team and overall youth of the line if he beat out Free and Leary continued to improve, stayed healthy and signed a reasonable extension.

Of course I'm greedy and that's a helluva parlay to pull off but that's what I hope happens

I think that would be ideal, it gives a lot of pause that the Cowboys only tendered Leary rather than signing him longer, but we'll see how they feel about him.

 

[windjc]

I don't think we get Zack Martin redux this year from Collins. We might want to put a little lid on our excitement until Collins can get his balance and hand work fixed.

This was the meat of his post, his entire post alludes to the difference between Collins and Martin, and says at the end and he isn't sure he is going to better than Leary off the bat either.

The reality is that the Martin comparison is entirely irrelevant as I said, and that he doesn't need to compete or be as good as Martin, he JUST needs to be better than Leary.

The crux of my insinuation is that there isn't a massive difference between Leary and Martin. So the wiggle room for improvement by adding Collins isn't huge unless Collins can play at a really high level. And his film doesn't suggest that's a given.

 

[Galian Beast]

I quoted ONE part of your post and was speaking to only ONE part of your post.

ONE.

One...is the loneliest number.

I'm guessing you didn't read his post, but I'm not going to do this back and forth with you.

 

[Galian Beast]

The crux of my insinuation is that there isn't a massive difference between Leary and Martin. So the wiggle room for improvement by adding Collins isn't huge unless Collins can play at a really high level. And his film doesn't suggest that's a given.

I don't think anyone would agree with you in your analysis of the difference between Martin and Leary.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'm guessing you didn't read his post, but I'm not going to do this back and forth with you.

Yeah I did...You just did not read mine correctly.

I only specified ONE part of it. Hence the reason I put ONE part of your post in bold to indicate I was only speaking about the ONE part of your post.

This is not rocket surgery here.

Update: Apparently we are both wrong because neither one of us got what he was throwing out.

C'est la vie

 

[AzorAhai]

Because that's a hell of a lot to pay for a decent backup?

Decent? Did you even watch him play? And if its so much why are they keeping Bernadeua with his 2.8 million cap hit? They're going to go thin at OG because of 2.3 million dollar tender? I seriously doubt that. You have to be in a very small minority that think he wouldn't get tendered if he's still here.

 

[LandryFan]

Garrett and company know they have to at least appear to have a competition, the damage in the locker room if Collins was just handed it would be severe. If Leary shows up better in both practice and games then they will have little choice but to start him.

...and rightfully so.

 

[mattjames2010]

Playing at a high level on the OL as a rookie is rare. All rookies have growing pains.

And again poor isn't a reasonable evaluation. Even as the worst part of his game it ain't poor by any stretch.

The kids needs A LOT of improvement with his balance and his footwork is nowhere near up to par in what you want in a tackle. If you want to talk about criticisms that are just small criticisms, it's his use of hands and creating holes for his RB. Both are nitpicky that came from scouts and something he'll do fine in. The former criticisms are not small issues, they are absolute problems with him that need to be addressed or he needs to play in a position where those flaws won't hurt his game.



A good representation of Collins. You can evaluate him yourself and see exactly if these problems are small or not.

 

[burmafrd]

The crux of my insinuation is that there isn't a massive difference between Leary and Martin. So the wiggle room for improvement by adding Collins isn't huge unless Collins can play at a really high level. And his film doesn't suggest that's a given.

you are either blind or never have seen the boys play if you think Leary is CLOSE to Martin.

 

[speedkilz88]

Here is the easy end to this comparison with Leary. Who would trade Ronald Leary straight up for a top 15 pick in this draft? Heck who would trade Leary & Free for a top 15 pick in this draft?