Lame - teacher takes away pre-K's lunch and replaces with Chicken Nuggets

[Vtwin]

i'm saying this person was an overactive idiot.

Who likely would have escalated had the child continued to bring the same lunch and had this person not been told to stand down.

I wonder how many days they would have ponied up the chicken nuggets before they decided more action needed to be taken.

 

[5Stars]

well in this case it *was* immature of the person who did it. i'm not saying ignore hungry children but this wasn't the case, was it?

*in this issue* do you really think there was a chance in hell it would go to CPS? i'm not talking extreme issues then trying to compare.

i'm saying this person was an overactive idiot.

Everybody has to get into everybody's business now a days just because they get into a position to do so!


When I was in school A LONG TIME AGO in the 3rd grade, my mother had a brain fart one day and sent me to school with my lunch. When lunch time came I opened up my lunchbox to find some Frito's, an apple and two pieces of bread that I guess my mother forgot to put something on them. Just two pieces of bread for a sandwich.

When I showed that to my teacher, the teacher started laughing and then told all the other kids what happened. Well, after all the laughing died down, the teacher asked if any of the other kids could share some of their lunch with me. I never ate so good at school again! :laugh2:

Also, Mr.Sandoval called my mother about this and about a half hour later, after I had already ate really good from what the other kids shared with me, my big brother showed up with a Lota Burger for me...that I could not eat anyway.

I grew up just fine, played baseball all the way through High School and my first year in College (where I was not as good as I thought I was) , went into the Military, served in Vietnam, had a successful career with the DoD...and there was never, ever a thought about blaming my mother or calling CPS on her.

I understand checking that a child has something to eat, but to tell a child what to eat rather than what their parents make for them is really none of their business. Pretty soon they are going to tell the parents that the child is not dressing the right way.

I would have rather eat that turkey sandwich, chips, banana, and juice rather than some chicken nuggets, or fish sticks.

Funny thing is, I bet that teacher went home that night, made up some crap meal and fed her child stuff that that her school says was not nutritious enough.

If my kid wants to eat baloney sandwiches and he likes it, it's nobody's business to tell him not to eat it. He will be just fine with something in his stomach.

 

[VietCowboy]

Not really. Maybe sort of.

You are looking at it from a narrow perspective. I am looking at it as more a symptom of the disease.

Perfect strangers actually have the balls to give me a hard time for not wearing a helmet on my bicycle. This on a flat railroad bed turned recreation path. This never happened 20 years ago when I did a lot more biking.

I had the cops show up at work soon after I arrived one day last summer because some clown called them and told them a "biker" was 'driving aggressively waving his arms all around". LOL

A: I use hand signals to signal my intentions on my motorcycle because people (the same clowns who would call the cops) tend to notice that more than they do the turns signals.

and

B: How does one "drive aggressively" on a motorcycle during rush hour?

The cop actually apologized to me.

This lunch thing is not an isolated incident. People need to mind their own business.

This is in particular not directed at you, but it is one my pet peeves when cyclists don't follow the rules of the road and not only make it dangerous for everyone but gives the rest of us cyclists a bad rep. More and more, I see "hipsters" who ride haphazardly on their single speed bike with a phone in one ear and riding their bike without noticing the road. Or, not having sufficient lighting on their bike or wear reflectors when it is dark out.

 

[Cythim]

well in this case it *was* immature of the person who did it. i'm not saying ignore hungry children but this wasn't the case, was it?

*in this issue* do you really think there was a chance in hell it would go to CPS? i'm not talking extreme issues then trying to compare.

i'm saying this person was an overactive idiot.

Did you read the part that said this happened during a state review which likely made the teacher nervous, causing her to overreact? Everyone involved said she made the wrong decision and thankfully the only bad thing that happened was a kid ate some chicken nuggets for lunch.

 

[5Stars]

Did you read the part that said this happened during a state review which likely made the teacher nervous, causing her to overreact? Everyone involved said she made the wrong decision and thankfully the only bad thing that happened was a kid ate some chicken nuggets for lunch


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(stupid cowboy fans)

 

[Cythim]

Not really. Maybe sort of.

You are looking at it from a narrow perspective. I am looking at it as more a symptom of the disease.

Perfect strangers actually have the balls to give me a hard time for not wearing a helmet on my bicycle. This on a flat railroad bed turned recreation path. This never happened 20 years ago when I did a lot more biking.

I had the cops show up at work soon after I arrived one day last summer because some clown called them and told them a "biker" was 'driving aggressively waving his arms all around". LOL

A: I use hand signals to signal my intentions on my motorcycle because people (the same clowns who would call the cops) tend to notice that more than they do the turns signals.

and

B: How does one "drive aggressively" on a motorcycle during rush hour?

The cop actually apologized to me.

This lunch thing is not an isolated incident. People need to mind their own business.

People don't need to mind their own business, they need to realize when their opinion is not warranted. A lot of bad things happen because people mind their own business and I would rather they be over-caution and speak up instead of wait until something bad happens so they can tell the local news "I thought something was wrong."

If I see what appears to be a drunk driver I'll call it in because that person is dangerous. If I see a cyclist or motorcyclist disobey the law I won't say anything because they are mostly just a danger to themselves. If I think a child I know is being treated improperly I will look into it for the child's sake. I am also the guy who will pull over if you are stranded on the highway, give you a jump in the supermarket parking lot, or give you a gallon of gas if you've run out.

 

[ShiningStar]

People don't need to mind their own business, they need to realize when their opinion is not warranted. A lot of bad things happen because people mind their own business and I would rather they be over-caution and speak up instead of wait until something bad happens so they can tell the local news "I thought something was wrong."

If I see what appears to be a drunk driver I'll call it in because that person is dangerous. If I see a cyclist or motorcyclist disobey the law I won't say anything because they are mostly just a danger to themselves. If I think a child I know is being treated improperly I will look into it for the child's sake. I am also the guy who will pull over if you are stranded on the highway, give you a jump in the supermarket parking lot, or give you a gallon of gas if you've run out.

so u ll let the cyclist go who might do something stupid and a young driver might accidently hit them and be ruined for a long time but from the other things, u feel u need to speak up? that doesnt sound right, but it doesnt matter my opinion unless u feel someone should pry in and set their own boundries of not minding their own business?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

What was that?

The pyramid, or school standards for lunch. Cafateria food was awful.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

It is awfully nice of you to reduce it to such an immature mentality. Snitches end up in ditches, AMIRITE!?!

The point I am making is that they just want to make sure the child is taken care of, and providing them the means to do so will decrease the likelihood of them turning to CPS to resolve the issue.

You make a good point, but really CPS would have no reason to get involved if there was a turkey sandwich, and apple and a bag of chips or whatever it was in there. It's people like this teacher, with an alarmist outlook and wanting to do-good, that get kids killed and kidnapped by CPS for no good reason.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

you just do not get it.

Schools are not SUPPOSED to be in the child care business at any level.

What part of that are you not getting?

They are there to teach and that is all.

Free school lunches- if you are going to do that then just offer it.

No mandates and no food ****'s. But you nanny staters want the state to do everything. Because you are afraid to make judgements and decisions so you pass the buck.

I think you misunderstood him. Getting CPS involved would be more of a nanny state thing too.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

That all sounds good on paper... but....

You have cases like this where an overzealous do-gooder felt the perfectly acceptable lunch wasn't good enough and felt compelled to take action.

This is a perfect example of the caretaker overstepping their bounds and dragging peoples names through the mud.

It is exactly this sort of thing that is becoming more and more prevalent and inspires the backlash the another posted mentioned and is cleary evident in this thread.

The pendulum has swung to far in the wrong direction.

Well said, and very realistic perspective.

 

[Cythim]

so u ll let the cyclist go who might do something stupid and a young driver might accidently hit them and be ruined for a long time but from the other things, u feel u need to speak up? that doesnt sound right, but it doesnt matter my opinion unless u feel someone should pry in and set their own boundries of not minding their own business?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Are we still talking about this?

The school district I live in is far worse than anything this article is about.

 

[iceberg]

to me the whole point is today mankind still seems facinated with the extreme.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

The central issue here is this: To what extent does the government have the power to usurp and intervene in parents' rights to raise their kids as they see fit?

Obviously, this right is not absolute. Parents don't and shouldn't have the right to inflict undo physical, mental, or emotional harm on their children. They're also obligated to provide a certain type of environmental for their children.

However, one of the bedrock principles of America is personal liberty. You're not legally bound to any specific view of what is reasonable. While some may deem it reasonable that a child's lunch include specific items, others may not. And the former does not get to arbitrarily impose on the latter.

In my opinion, any law that invites this sort of overreach is problematic.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The central issue here is this: To what extent does the government have the power to usurp and intervene in parents' rights to raise their kids as they see fit?

I agree and disagree.

Some parents are just plain bad. Where is the line? At some point to make things right you also give the right to someone to do the wrong thing.

The worst of it is a MAJOR problem that already exist with Police. The guys that protect us also protect their fellow officers. Sometimes more than they protect the people they are supposed to protect.

 

[VietCowboy]

The central issue here is this: To what extent does the government have the power to usurp and intervene in parents' rights to raise their kids as they see fit?

Obviously, this right is not absolute. Parents don't and shouldn't have the right to inflict undo physical, mental, or emotional harm on their children. They're also obligated to provide a certain type of environmental for their children.

However, one of the bedrock principles of America is personal liberty. You're not legally bound to any specific view of what is reasonable. While some may deem it reasonable that a child's lunch include specific items, others may not. And the former does not get to arbitrarily impose on the latter.

In my opinion, any law that invites this sort of overreach is problematic.

Given the impending epidemic in childhood obesity, you don't think it is in the government's best interest to impose guidelines and rules to reduce this very real problem which will likely cripple our health system as well as the very real problem that childhood obesity is a risk factor for a lot of things, including recent preliminary research that shows that the impact of childhood obesity (i.e. type 2 diabetes in particular) actually have similar neurocognitive impact as children with cancer and brain tumors or sickle cell (meaning, the downward trend in neurocognitive development seen after brain cancer/tumor treatments or adolescents with sickle cell).

FYI (where I'm getting my info) my awesome DCT:

http://kc.vanderbilt.edu/site/newsandevents/podcastandvideo/page.aspx?id=3228

fast forward to about 30 minutes in to get info on childhood obesity. Scary!!

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Given the impending epidemic in childhood obesity, you don't think it is in the government's best interest to impose guidelines and rules to reduce this very real problem which will likely cripple our health system as well as the very real problem that childhood obesity is a risk factor for a lot of things, including recent preliminary research that shows that the impact of childhood obesity (i.e. type 2 diabetes in particular) actually have similar neurocognitive impact as children with cancer and brain tumors or sickle cell (meaning, the downward trend in neurocognitive development seen after brain cancer/tumor treatments or adolescents with sickle cell).

You have the right to be fat in this country. You have the right to be obese. You have the right to eat as you see fit.

Besides, if reducing health care costs is your primary concern, there are means of accomplishing this without resorting to increased government regulation.

Because our exchange here is teetering dangerously close to the political, I'll choose my words carefully.

Increasing government regulation tends to increase the cost of doing business. Even if you manage to reduce health care costs via regulation (and, in truth, evidence for this is sketchy), business costs elsewhere will increase.

Health care costs are increasing due, in large part, to the government's regulation of the industry. People are compelled to pay for the mistakes and poor lifestyle decisions of others.

 

[VietCowboy]

You have the right to be fat in this country. You have the right to be obese. You have the right to eat as you see fit.

Besides, if reducing health care costs is your primary concern, there are means of accomplishing this without resorting to increased government regulation.

Because our exchange here is teetering dangerously close to the political, I'll choose my words carefully.

Increasing government regulation tends to increase the cost of doing business. Even if you manage to reduce health care costs via regulation (and, in truth, evidence for this is sketchy), business costs elsewhere will increase.

Health care costs are increasing due, in large part, to the government's regulation of the industry. People are compelled to pay for the mistakes and poor lifestyle decisions of others.

Money is not my primary concern. My primary concern is always the health of children because that leads to better outcomes. When the data is showing that there are very clear deficits in children with obesity, that are on par with children with cancer / brain tumors, it is very concerning, in just this one domain. Childhood obesity is also a risk factor for over 60 other social, health, work, education, etc problems that I haven't even mentioned.

Some great slides below to show how food practices have changed in the past decades (I will say a significant portion due to cheese...more cheese in pizza, mexican food, etc) accounts for the increase in calories/intake

http://mediasite.vanderbilt.edu/med....aspx?peid=e3bfa2b2c6b748d4b7fc96107b5a49f21d

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Money is not my primary concern. My primary concern is always the health of children because that leads to better outcomes. When the data is showing that there are very clear deficits in children with obesity, that are on par with children with cancer / brain tumors, it is very concerning, in just this one domain. Childhood obesity is also a risk factor for over 60 other social, health, work, education, etc problems that I haven't even mentioned.

Some great slides below to show how food practices have changed in the past decades (I will say a significant portion due to cheese...more cheese in pizza, mexican food, etc) accounts for the increase in calories/intake

http://mediasite.vanderbilt.edu/med....aspx?peid=e3bfa2b2c6b748d4b7fc96107b5a49f21d

I'm not challenging the science of it.

I was responding to a specific concern you broached about rising health care costs. That's an economics issue.

The harsh reality is this: The government is more involved in this issue now than it ever has been, and coincidentally, obesity is a bigger problem now than it ever has been.