Late round first pick probably equals 2 round grade Do you bite the bullet

[BrAinPaiNt]

Something that most have probably considered already.

Chances are very high that by the time the Cowboys draft in the first round (if they stay where they are at) most of the players they have rated on their board as first round grades will be gone.

Now of course, unless someone really does fall, they will probably later say that the person they took was rated as a first rounder by them (even if they were not wink wink).

So let's say nobody they have rated as a first rounder falls...say like a Malcom Brown or someone else that most think will be long gone.

So they are sitting there at 27. They have a number of players they like but they would rather get a little later. Problem is they can not trade down no matter how much the call around.

So they are stuck at 27. They have nobody they view as a first round grade.

They look to their board and see that they have plenty of players left on the board at 27 that have second round grades.

Do you bite the bullet and take a player that you really like that might fall to the second round but you are pretty sure will not make it to your second round pick at 60?

So again, you can't trade down. You have some players that are all second round grades on your board.

Do you bit the bullet and take a RB like Ajayi or Coleman? Do you Take a CB you might have a second round grade on or a DT you have a second round grade on?

I say this because this might be a realistic scenario that we find the team in and although many of us scoff at the idea of taking one of those two RBs or a DT/DE like Goldman or Edwards Jr or a CB that some view as second round pick...we might be doing that.

It is not the ideal scenario...but it could be a possible scenario we find ourselves in and if there is a player they really like there but don't think will last to their second round pick...I would be ok with them taking that player (if they feel strongly about the player) over another player that they do not feel as strong about.

Just something to keep in mind come draft time.

Personally...the way this draft is shaping up I am HOPING we trade down. I think their will be a WR or Olineman that will be there that will cause a team or two to want to trade up.

 

[DBOY3141]

I see that happening also. Like Fred a couple of years ago. He was rated a second rounder.

I would narrow it down by BPA at a position of need and look at the depth at that position.

I can see them sitting at #27 and looking at the following:
OO
Mario Edwards
Ajaji
Coleman
PJ Williams

 

[reddyuta]

Good question. If they can't trade down then I hope they draft somebody like Kendricks who I consider a safe pick.

 

[Alexander]

I see that happening also. Like Fred a couple of years ago. He was rated a second rounder.

I would narrow it down by BPA at a position of need and look at the depth at that position.

I can see them sitting at #27 and looking at the following:
OO
Mario Edwards
Ajaji
Coleman
PJ Williams

Take it for what it is worth, but LaCanfora is stating that he is being told by a long time scout that Mario Edwards will probably be a surprise first round choice.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Ajayi wouldnt shock or disappoint me at 27

 

[DBOY3141]

Take it for what it is worth, but LaCanfora is stating that he is being told by a long time scout that Mario Edwards will probably be a surprise first round choice.

I could see that.

 

[xwalker]

Something that most have probably considered already.

Chances are very high that by the time the Cowboys draft in the first round (if they stay where they are at) most of the players they have rated on their board as first round grades will be gone.

Now of course, unless someone really does fall, they will probably later say that the person they took was rated as a first rounder by them (even if they were not wink wink).

So let's say nobody they have rated as a first rounder falls...say like a Malcom Brown or someone else that most think will be long gone.

So they are sitting there at 27. They have a number of players they like but they would rather get a little later. Problem is they can not trade down no matter how much the call around.

So they are stuck at 27. They have nobody they view as a first round grade.

They look to their board and see that they have plenty of players left on the board at 27 that have second round grades.

Do you bite the bullet and take a player that you really like that might fall to the second round but you are pretty sure will not make it to your second round pick at 60?

So again, you can't trade down. You have some players that are all second round grades on your board.

Do you bit the bullet and take a RB like Ajayi or Coleman? Do you Take a CB you might have a second round grade on or a DT you have a second round grade on?

I say this because this might be a realistic scenario that we find the team in and although many of us scoff at the idea of taking one of those two RBs or a DT/DE like Goldman or Edwards Jr or a CB that some view as second round pick...we might be doing that.

It is not the ideal scenario...but it could be a possible scenario we find ourselves in and if there is a player they really like there but don't think will last to their second round pick...I would be ok with them taking that player (if they feel strongly about the player) over another player that they do not feel as strong about.

Just something to keep in mind come draft time.

Personally...the way this draft is shaping up I am HOPING we trade down. I think their will be a WR or Olineman that will be there that will cause a team or two to want to trade up.

They didn't deny that Fred was rated as a 2nd. They said they wanted the 5th year option.

I don't really understand the question. If you can't trade down then there is no choice but to draft somebody with a 2nd round grade.

Go BPA. If several are equal keep in mind that CB, pass rushers etc.. are more expensive in FA than RBs and 4-3 LBs.

 

[Teague31]

I see that happening also. Like Fred a couple of years ago. He was rated a second rounder.

I would narrow it down by BPA at a position of need and look at the depth at that position.

I can see them sitting at #27 and looking at the following:
OO
Mario Edwards
Ajaji
Coleman
PJ Williams

Ugh. I really hope this doesn't come to be. That is a horrid list of folks to be talking about at 27. Absolutely horrid

 

[xwalker]

I could see that.

They would have to see him as a DT or 3-4 DE. He is not worth a 1st as a 4-3 DE.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

They didn't deny that Fred was rated as a 2nd. They said they wanted the 5th year option.

I don't really understand the question. If you can't trade down then there is no choice but to draft somebody with a 2nd round grade.

Go BPA. If several are equal keep in mind that CB, pass rushers etc.. are more expensive in FA than RBs and 4-3 LBs.

The main point of the thread...which I rambled all over the place so it is no wonder it is confusing...what if we wind up taking Coleman/Ajayi in the first even though most believe they are second round guys but Cowboys believe will not be there for them in the 2nd.

What if they took a LB (say kendricks is gone) that they really like but don't think they will be there in the second like McKinney or Dawson

What if the cowboys took a CB like Darby or Jones that many would say they would only take in the second, because the cowboys really like that player and do not think he will be there in the second.

What if they took a DT or DE that many would rather have in the second, because they don't think they would last to the second round like Goldman, Edwards.

Just something to keep in mind this year in the draft.

There might be a player some would be ok with taking in the second but not like taking in the first...however the Cowboys may feel that the player is good enough that they don't want to take a chance of losing him in the second....like they felt about Frederick when many people where saying we could have got him in the second round.

Sorry...rambling on again.

 

[Szczepanik]

I don't believe we trade down. I think we stay and will end up with Kendricks.

My first 2 choices are : Malcom Brown and Kevin Johnson but I think they will both be gone by then honestly.

Kendricks will be a damn good player for a long time and will establish our LB core as elite imo. Lee- Rolando- Kendricks/Hitchens with Gachkar and Brinkley is sooooo nasty for a LB core. Not too mention ST play will increase as well due to those guys.

I think the player that is most likely to see a drop into the first 10 spots in the 2nd would have to be OO.

If I see OO sitting there at pick 40-45 I am working the trade phones just like we did for lawrence.

 

[DBOY3141]

Ugh. I really hope this doesn't come to be. That is a horrid list of folks to be talking about at 27. Absolutely horrid

Those are folks they have visited with.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't believe we trade down. I think we stay and will end up with Kendricks.

My first 2 choices are : Malcom Brown and Kevin Johnson but I think they will both be gone by then honestly.

Kendricks will be a damn good player for a long time and will establish our LB core as elite imo. Lee- Rolando- Kendricks/Hitchens with Gachkar and Brinkley is sooooo nasty for a LB core. Not too mention ST play will increase as well due to those guys.

I think the player that is most likely to see a drop into the first 10 spots in the 2nd would have to be OO.

If I see OO sitting there at pick 40-45 I am working the trade phones just like we did for lawrence.

I think they are very interested in him. However...I don't know if he is going to be there when we are on the clock.
For some time now I have been feeling that RB/CB or CB/RB is the way it will go with our first two picks. Kendricks is on of two players that I could see them taking in the first other than a RB or CB...the other is Malcom Brown, even though they have had no contact with him that I know of.

But I don't think either will be there so I keep going back to RB or CB.

 

[DFWJC]

Something that most have probably considered already.

Chances are very high that by the time the Cowboys draft in the first round (if they stay where they are at) most of the players they have rated on their board as first round grades will be gone.

Now of course, unless someone really does fall, they will probably later say that the person they took was rated as a first rounder by them (even if they were not wink wink).

So let's say nobody they have rated as a first rounder falls...say like a Malcom Brown or someone else that most think will be long gone.

So they are sitting there at 27. They have a number of players they like but they would rather get a little later. Problem is they can not trade down no matter how much the call around.

So they are stuck at 27. They have nobody they view as a first round grade.

They look to their board and see that they have plenty of players left on the board at 27 that have second round grades.

Do you bite the bullet and take a player that you really like that might fall to the second round but you are pretty sure will not make it to your second round pick at 60?

So again, you can't trade down. You have some players that are all second round grades on your board.

Do you bit the bullet and take a RB like Ajayi or Coleman? Do you Take a CB you might have a second round grade on or a DT you have a second round grade on?

I say this because this might be a realistic scenario that we find the team in and although many of us scoff at the idea of taking one of those two RBs or a DT/DE like Goldman or Edwards Jr or a CB that some view as second round pick...we might be doing that.

It is not the ideal scenario...but it could be a possible scenario we find ourselves in and if there is a player they really like there but don't think will last to their second round pick...I would be ok with them taking that player (if they feel strongly about the player) over another player that they do not feel as strong about.

Just something to keep in mind come draft time.

Personally...the way this draft is shaping up I am HOPING we trade down. I think their will be a WR or Olineman that will be there that will cause a team or two to want to trade up.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, BP.
It looks like the ONLY option is to take a player with a 2nd round grade at 27. You left us no other choice. Right?

 

[Szczepanik]

I think they are very interested in him. However...I don't know if he is going to be there when we are on the clock.
For some time now I have been feeling that RB/CB or CB/RB is the way it will go with our first two picks. Kendricks is on of two players that I could see them taking in the first other than a RB or CB...the other is Malcom Brown, even though they have had no contact with him that I know of.

But I don't think either will be there so I keep going back to RB or CB.

Same here. I'd prefer to get a defensive piece than RB, and 1st round corners scare me.

I do believe a defensive player will fall unexpectedly. There will be a team that will draft a guy early on with a 2nd or 3rd round grade.

I would not be shocked in the least if a team grabbed Hundley or Petty in the first. The 3rd QB always sneaks his way up alot higher than expected once the first 2 are gone.. which will push a defensive player to us. The draft is always good for 1-2 shocker picks.

 

[Teague31]

Those are folks they have visited with.

Doesn't mean they are planning to take any of that list in round 1. At 60 I would be fine with any of them

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, BP.
It looks like the ONLY option is to take a player with a 2nd round grade at 27. You left us no other choice. Right?

Unless we get lucky and someone falls to us that they did not expect...I think that is what is going to happen.

We have read or heard the last few years that most teams only have an X amount of first round grades and many times that X amount is in the teens or early 20's.

Just something to keep in mind if we get a player that many consider to be A Reach because they thought we could get him in the second but the cowboys did not want to risk losing out on...like that did Max Unger a few years ago. We could have taken him in the first but we traded down, we wanted him in the second but he was take a couple picks before us.

 

[DFWJC]

Unless we get lucky and someone falls to us that they did not expect...I think that is what is going to happen.

We have read or heard the last few years that most teams only have an X amount of first round grades and many times that X amount is in the teens or early 20's.

Just something to keep in mind if we get a player that many consider to be A Reach because they thought we could get him in the second but the cowboys did not want to risk losing out on...like that did Max Unger a few years ago. We could have taken him in the first but we traded down, we wanted him in the second but he was take a couple picks before us.

I agree that at 27 there's a real shot that no players with 1st round grades (on our board) are left.

But I think the chances a re very slim that we couldn't trade down--especially since on average, Jerry gives up more than he gets on the charts. I think owners know they can get at worst a fair deal in a trade with Jerry.

BTW, Todd Archer discussed the chance of trading down today....
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowb...h-year-option-could-help-cowboys-on-draft-day

I found it interesting that the 4-5 trade downs he used as examples saw both teams almost exactly match the Trade Value Charts.
They may be a bit out of date, but the odds of that happening are so low (esp with multiple pick trades) that it's pretty good proof that teams still at least somewhat use those charts as guides.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Same here. I'd prefer to get a defensive piece than RB, and 1st round corners scare me.

I do believe a defensive player will fall unexpectedly. There will be a team that will draft a guy early on with a 2nd or 3rd round grade.

I would not be shocked in the least if a team grabbed Hundley or Petty in the first. The 3rd QB always sneaks his way up alot higher than expected once the first 2 are gone.. which will push a defensive player to us. The draft is always good for 1-2 shocker picks.

That team better not be us...talking about Petty or Hundley being taken the first lol.

 

[unionjack8]

Ajayi wouldnt shock or disappoint me at 27

good or you, i would drive to dallas and kneecap jerry