Late round first pick probably equals 2 round grade Do you bite the bullet

[xwalker]

The main point of the thread...which I rambled all over the place so it is no wonder it is confusing...what if we wind up taking Coleman/Ajayi in the first even though most believe they are second round guys but Cowboys believe will not be there for them in the 2nd.

What if they took a LB (say kendricks is gone) that they really like but don't think they will be there in the second like McKinney or Dawson

What if the cowboys took a CB like Darby or Jones that many would say they would only take in the second, because the cowboys really like that player and do not think he will be there in the second.

What if they took a DT or DE that many would rather have in the second, because they don't think they would last to the second round like Goldman, Edwards.

Just something to keep in mind this year in the draft.

There might be a player some would be ok with taking in the second but not like taking in the first...however the Cowboys may feel that the player is good enough that they don't want to take a chance of losing him in the second....like they felt about Frederick when many people where saying we could have got him in the second round.

Sorry...rambling on again.

The concept that they only have x number of players rated as 1st round picks is not as significant as it seems.

They rank them in tiers. I think they divide the round in 3 parts, 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 2-1 etc.. The downer at 27 would be if all the 2-1 tier players are also gone.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I agree that at 27 there's a real shot that no players with 1st round grades (on our board) are left.

But I think the chances a re very slim that we couldn't trade down--especially since on average, Jerry gives up more than he gets on the charts. I think owners know they can get at worst a fair deal in a trade with Jerry.

I am kind of hoping for the trade down this year.

 

[Szczepanik]

That team better not be us...talking about Petty or Hundley being taken the first lol.

Haha agreed. I have no fear with Stephen and McClay watching Jerry.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

good or you, i would drive to dallas and kneecap jerry

Idea makes you so angry you can't type it right?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The concept that they only have x number of players rated as 1st round picks is not as significant as it seems.

They rank them in tiers. I think they divide the round in 3 parts, 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 2-1 etc.. The downer at 27 would be if all the 2-1 tier players are also gone.

Guess I am already getting in my yearly draft mode.

Very excited about what could happen this year as there are so many scenarios but I am starting to get in my yearly draft mode of....Hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.

Although taking a player that at one time I would only think we would take in the second is not the worst that could happen...but it would be upsetting to some.

I just also remember thinking there have been times where I wanted us to take a player and they felt that the player would be there in the next round only to see them taken before our pick. In that scenario I would wish they did take the player even if it did seem a bit high. Hope you get what I mean.

 

[DBOY3141]

Doesn't mean they are planning to take any of that list in round 1. At 60 I would be fine with any of them

I understand. But if you are at 27 and can't trade. You have to take someone and recent history shows they take someone they visited with. Only 17 more days and we'll all find out.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I understand. But if you are at 27 and can't trade. You have to take someone and recent history shows they take someone they visited with. Only 17 more days and we'll all find out.

That is kind of the premise of this thread.

We might wind up upsetting some because we take a guy they would be ok with taking in the second but having to take them in the first because our board has been wiped clean of first round players.

 

[DBOY3141]

That is kind of the premise of this thread.

We might wind up upsetting some because we take a guy they would be ok with taking in the second but having to take them in the first because our board has been wiped clean of first round players.

Unless Gurley falls, I think you are exactly right. Our first round choice will have a 2nd round grade, but I think we will be like most teams picking 24 to 32. Only about 16-18 players have 1st round grades, so the odds don't favor us at #27 to pick a 1st round graded player.

 

[AzorAhai]

If the targets are gone just stick to bpa. I would rather they draft the top of the board then reach for a guy because he wouldn't be available at 60.

 

[ccb04]

I could see OO, Kendricks, & CB/S Byron Jones (NFLDS #21), being among the defensive possibilities at #27.

Depending on how the draft goes...I wouldn't mind a trade down. With additional picks in tow, better value could potentially be had earlier in the 2nd. Several of the players they've worked out/brought in, are in that range (Hunter, Kendricks, Ajayi, Jones, PJ Williams, Eli Harold, Thompson, etc.)

If they couldn't trade out & all of their 1st round grades are gone, and/or they want that 5th year option...then yes, they'll be taking a player with a 2nd (or borderline grade), in the late 1st.

The draft is always crazy...and there is certain to be some surprises

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I could see OO, Kendricks, & CB/S Byron Jones (NFLDS #21), being among the defensive possibilities at #27.

Depending on how the draft goes...I wouldn't mind a trade down. With additional picks in tow, better value could potentially be had earlier in the 2nd. Several of the players they've worked out/brought in, are in that range (Hunter, Kendricks, Ajayi, Jones, PJ Williams, Eli Harold, Thompson, etc.)

If they couldn't trade out & all of their 1st round grades are gone, and/or they want that 5th year option...then yes, they'll be taking a player with a 2nd (or borderline grade), in the late 1st.

The draft is always crazy...and there is certain to be some surprises

If those players you listed are there I think they go Kendricks and would be very happy about it.

 

[darthseinfeld]

One thing you guys have to keep in mind, Cowboys board isnt CBS's, NFL, or Scouts board. There has been visual evidence that it differs quite significantly

 

[ccb04]

One thing you guys have to keep in mind, Cowboys board isnt CBS's, NFL, or Scouts board. There has been visual evidence that it differs quite significantly

No doubt it can differ quite significantly. I used the CBS board for Jones simply to help illustrate his rise...being widely considered a late 1st/early 2nd now. Was also somewhat surprised to see they had him ranked #21 overall. He is of course one of the DB's the Boys brought in on a national visit.

 

[darthseinfeld]

No doubt it can differ quite significantly. I used the CBS board for Jones simply to help illustrate his rise...being widely considered a late 1st/early 2nd now. Was also somewhat surprised to see they had him ranked #21 overall. He is of course one of the DB's the Boys brought in on a national visit.

I always think back to the Mike Mitchell Affair where the Raiders draft what most services rated as a 7th rounder in the second and they were getting torn apart by Mayock, yet almost immediately after the pick was made, the Bears traded out because they were targeting Mitchell. I believe something similar happened to us with someone we supposedly reached for. Cant remember who though.

Right now I think Jones is firmly in the first, and could even be the #2 CB off the board

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I always think back to the Mike Mitchell Affair where the Raiders draft what most services rated as a 7th rounder in the second and they were getting torn apart by Mayock, yet almost immediately after the pick was made, the Bears traded out because they were targeting Mitchell. I believe something similar happened to us with someone we supposedly reached for. Cant remember who though.

Right now I think Jones is firmly in the first, and could even be the #2 CB off the board

Ah...The Ohio Bobcats player.
Did not remember that the Bears wanted him as well...actually might never have heard that.

Also did not realize he is on his third team although it seems like he signed a decent, not great, contract with the steelers.

 

[ccb04]

I always think back to the Mike Mitchell Affair where the Raiders draft what most services rated as a 7th rounder in the second and they were getting torn apart by Mayock, yet almost immediately after the pick was made, the Bears traded out because they were targeting Mitchell. I believe something similar happened to us with someone we supposedly reached for. Cant remember who though.

Right now I think Jones is firmly in the first, and could even be the #2 CB off the board

More recently, the Boys were of course panned for taking T-Fred in the 1st.

Regarding Jones...like his size, insane athleticism, and potential versatility (having started at safety before switching to CB).

 

[darthseinfeld]

Ah...The Ohio Bobcats player.
Did not remember that the Bears wanted him as well...actually might never have heard that.

Also did not realize he is on his third team although it seems like he signed a decent, not great, contract with the steelers.

I dont think he ever broke out in Oakland (i mean who does) but he became a pretty solid Safety in Carolina

 

[Risen Star]

Take it for what it is worth, but LaCanfora is stating that he is being told by a long time scout that Mario Edwards will probably be a surprise first round choice.

That will get a Berman Whoooooa! from me.

Followed by a Paid Mei Hmph! and goatee swoosh.

 

[Nightman]

So the choice is taking someone we really like at 27 with a rank of 50-60 instead of taking someone we don't like as much with a rank of 30-40.

I think you take the better player every time, value be darned.

I would rather lose a player I had valued at say 52 than pass on a 34.

We would end up with 34 and 65 instead of 52 and 58.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I see that happening also. Like Fred a couple of years ago. He was rated a second rounder.

I would narrow it down by BPA at a position of need and look at the depth at that position.

I can see them sitting at #27 and looking at the following:
OO
Mario Edwards
Ajaji
Coleman
PJ Williams

That's an awful list.