Lebron James "Blown Away" by Nets

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SLATEmosphere;3449962 said:
Once LeBron resigns then you can pretty much guarentee that Bosh is coming to Cleveland. It will all be put into place once LeBron meets tommorrow.

If Bosh jets to Chicago then Toronto is left with nothing in return. If they do a sign and trade, they could get Hickson and Jamison and DWest(4.5 salary but only 500k gaurenteed) and Eyenga who the Raptors liked last year in the draft. Not to mention that Cleveland will take on a bad contract like Hedo(Still has 5 years on his deal).

So in recap, if you're the Raptors GM..do you let Bosh walk or would you rather have Jamsion,Hickson and a bad contract off your hands?

Hmmmm..

I agree that LeBron is most likely to re-sign with the Cavs. But that doesn't mean Bosh is headed to Cleveland.

Bosh could leave in free agency for Miami, Chicago, New York, New Jersey, or even the Clippers.

If LeBron stays in Cleveland, you can rule out New Jersey and New York. And really, the Clippers have no shot either, I just included them because they have the cap room.

Really, it'd be down to Chicago or Miami if he signed as a free agent, and even then, its pretty much Miami.

But if he wants the 6th year, he has to be part of a sign and trade. Toronto is rumored to be hot over the TPE, of which, Miami and Chicago could facilitate, but Cleveland cannot. Miami could add in Beasley, which is a better chip than anything Cleveland can offer (though, unlikely to happen).

If Bron stays in Cleveland, Bosh has two choices.

1. He can pick the team, but sign as a free agent at 5 years for the max.
2. He can agree to a sign and trade to get that 6th year, but while he will have influence over the destination, he might not have enough leverage to force it to Cleveland if Toronto values the TPE highly, which supposedly, they do.

Edit: Also... why would the Raps want to take on Jamison? He's owed 28M over the next two years. When they lose Bosh, they'll want to do it for picks and a TPE since they are over the cap. I could see them trying to force Turkoglu on whomever takes on Bosh in a sign and trade, but that would be for expiring contracts as they shed salary, which is inevitable after they lose Bosh here. Yeah, its for 2 years, but they'll want immediate salary dumps.
 

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Also... supposedly OLive is stating that a Bayless + Pryzbilla for Deng could be a possibility.

Chicago would only do it if they got another SF (re: James) to committ, it would shed them another near 2 million in cap space, which.... would allow for a 2nd max guy.

The rumor is that then Por would package players to N.O. for Paul. That'd be a sick backcourt, Paul and Roy.
 

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#breakingnews the homie just gave me the info on where he is going, to bad I can't say but this city is gonna be very happy #6 *wink*

From Chad Johnson's twitter.

Interesting. Especially the part "where he is going..." If he was staying in Cleveland, he wouldn't be going anywhere.
 

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Bob Sacamano;3449982 said:
Looks like the Spurs have called the Jazz about Wesley Matthews.


Typical Spurs pickup. Youd like him if you watched the NBA.



Also... why would the Raps want to take on Jamison? He's owed 28M over the next two years. When they lose Bosh, they'll want to do it for picks and a TPE since they are over the cap. I could see them trying to force Turkoglu on whomever takes on Bosh in a sign and trade, but that would be for expiring contracts as they shed salary, which is inevitable after they lose Bosh here. Yeah, its for 2 years, but they'll want immediate salary dumps.
Dont you understand? The Raptors were high on a person named Eguyalaa who was taken in the 2nd round. That is worth taking on $28M in dead bodies.

But they can dump Hedo on the Cavs! But- that would mean more salary going back to Toronto. Which is what they dont want.

And all of this is assuming Bosh even wants to play in Cleveland when he can join Wade in Chicago and Miami. Or join Lebron in Chicago or New Jersey.

I will gladly do a sig bet with anyone who thinks he will go anywhere besides Cleveland.
Anyone else want in?



#breakingnews the homie just gave me the info on where he is going, to bad I can't say but this city is gonna be very happy #6 *wink*


This city?
 

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Have fun being left out in the cold MBDORK..Hey at least you get Carlos Boozer!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!!
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;3450063 said:
Typical Spurs pickup. Youd like him if you watched the NBA.

I like him already

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BTW, for Chicago to get Bosh and Wade, they will have to do a S&T for Bosh. Bosh wants max money and max years(6). The only way he can get that is through a S&T.

Chicago has absolutly no pieces to pull that off. Toronto has stated several times they want no part of Deng.

If you think Bosh is going to pass on a 6year deal he could get with the Cavs for a 5year deal with the Bulls then you're nuts.

Cleveland has better players to offer than anyone else. Beasley is garbage and a headcase. Plus Bosh gets that 6 year max with Cleveland instead of a 5yr deal and less money if he just signs outright with Chicago. Not to mention he wouldn't want to leave Toronto high and dry after they've publicy stated that they are open to a S&T.

Welcome to the Cavs Chris Bosh.
 

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SLATEmosphere;3450079 said:
BTW, for Chicago to get Bosh and Wade, they will have to do a S&T for Bosh. Bosh wants max money and max years(6). The only way he can get that is through a S&T.

Chicago has absolutly no pieces to pull that off. Toronto has stated several times they want no part of Deng.

If you think Bosh is going to pass on a 6year deal he could get with the Cavs for a 5year deal with the Bulls then you're nuts.

Cleveland has better players to offer than anyone else. Beasley is garbage and a headcase. Plus Bosh gets that 6 year max with Cleveland instead of a 5yr deal and less money if he just signs outright with Chicago. Not to mention he wouldn't want to leave Toronto high and dry after they've publicy stated that they are open to a S&T.

Welcome to the Cavs Chris Bosh.

I heard Bosh doesn't want to live in Cleveland.
 

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SLATEmosphere;3450079 said:
BTW, for Chicago to get Bosh and Wade, they will have to do a S&T for Bosh. Bosh wants max money and max years(6). The only way he can get that is through a S&T.

Agreed. I think Bosh wants the 6th year and it will have to come via a Sign and Trade. I think if Bosh were to be "ok" with a 5 year deal, it'd have to be Miami. But that'd be contigent upon Toronto not wanting to trade for picks, the TPE, and Beasley. I think Toronto would take a package of that.

Chicago has absolutly no pieces to pull that off. Toronto has stated several times they want no part of Deng.

They could offer Gibson, the TPE, and picks as well. Again, any deal Chicago or Miami would put together would center on picks and the TPE.

If you think Bosh is going to pass on a 6year deal he could get with the Cavs for a 5year deal with the Bulls then you're nuts.

When did I say that?

I said Bosh has two choices.

1. He can take a 5 year deal and choose his team without any Toronto say in the matter.
2. He can ask for a sign and trade for the 6th year, but if he does, Toronto would get some say.

I have always believed Bosh was gone in a sign and trade not a signing outright.


Cleveland has better players to offer than anyone else. Beasley is garbage and a headcase. Plus Bosh gets that 6 year max with Cleveland instead of a 5yr deal and less money if he just signs outright with Chicago. Not to mention he wouldn't want to leave Toronto high and dry after they've publicy stated that they are open to a S&T.

Welcome to the Cavs Chris Bosh.

Beasley is a headcase. But he's also the most interesting prospect any team can offer him between the Cavs, Bulls, and Heat. Jamison might be the best player that any of those teams would part with, but at his age and salary, I don't see Toronto being overly fascinated with that. They'd be more interested in taking the TPE and picks from either Miami or Chicago....

Unless Toronto can dump Turkoglu and other crap on Cleveland, in which case, Toronto may bite.
 

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Also.... the Lakers were on Bosh's list as well. It'd take some strange pieces to fall in free agency, but the Lakers could trade Bynum for Bosh. I don't think it will happen, but that's another idea that has been floated out there.

Then, there is also the Bosh-to-return-home-to-Houston trade proposal that is out there.

I think neither of these happens and are the least likely, but those are two other rumors that have been reported on for quite some time.
 

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Vintage;3450087 said:
Agreed. I think Bosh wants the 6th year and it will have to come via a Sign and Trade. I think if Bosh were to be "ok" with a 5 year deal, it'd have to be Miami. But that'd be contigent upon Toronto not wanting to trade for picks, the TPE, and Beasley. I think Toronto would take a package of that.



They could offer Gibson, the TPE, and picks as well. Again, any deal Chicago or Miami would put together would center on picks and the TPE.



When did I say that?

I said Bosh has two choices.

1. He can take a 5 year deal and choose his team without any Toronto say in the matter.
2. He can ask for a sign and trade for the 6th year, but if he does, Toronto would get some say.

I have always believed Bosh was gone in a sign and trade not a signing outright.




Beasley is a headcase. But he's also the most interesting prospect any team can offer him between the Cavs, Bulls, and Heat. Jamison might be the best player that any of those teams would part with, but at his age and salary, I don't see Toronto being overly fascinated with that. They'd be more interested in taking the TPE and picks from either Miami or Chicago....

Unless Toronto can dump Turkoglu and other crap on Cleveland, in which case, Toronto may bite.

My bad, I wasn't really responding to you personally. Just thinking out loud.

Honestly, Hickson has more upside than Beasley and is cheaper. Beasley is one of those guys that is just happy to be making millions of dollars and won't get better. Jamison only has 2 years on his current deal and they would be getting rid of that albatross of a contract with Hedo. Jamison is still a very servicable player.

And Cle can throw picks at them also. Probably some cash too.

Hickson
Parker(expiring)
West(saves the Raptors 4 mil)
Jamison
2 first rounders
Cash

For

Bosh
Hedo

Raptors get some talent that can help them win now, while freeing up a ton of cap room next year and in 2 years when Jamison expires.

All that for a guy you're going to lose anyway? Sounds pretty nice for Toronto. Everyone wins.
 

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And Cle can throw picks at them also. Probably some cash too.

Hickson
Parker(expiring)
West(saves the Raptors 4 mil)
Jamison
2 first rounders
Cash

For

Bosh
Hedo

Raptors get some talent that can help them win now, while freeing up a ton of cap room next year and in 2 years when Jamison expires.

All that for a guy you're going to lose anyway? Sounds pretty nice for Toronto. Everyone wins.


Ill tell you who doesnt win. Us for having these threads clogged up w/ trade ideas that arent allowed under the CBA
 

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Originally Posted by Brian Windhorst
Cleveland Cavaliers ready for meeting with LeBron James

Now it is the Cavaliers' turn.

When the Cavaliers meet with LeBron James on Saturday, the theme of their pitch will center on this being his hometown and how well the team and the fans know and appreciate him.

After two days of meetings with the New Jersey Nets, New York Knicks, Miami Heat and Los Angeles Clippers, the hometown Cavs are up next to make their sales pitch to mega free agent LeBron James.

Their strategy, according to sources, will be somewhat different from the other teams' and focus on just how well they know their superstar. The meeting is expected to be relatively short, nowhere near the length of the Knicks' and Heat's, who met with James for more than two hours.

Owner Dan Gilbert, General Manager Chris Grant and new coach Byron Scott are expected to be the principles in the meeting, but other members of the organization that James is close with could be present as well.

The Cavs also plan on playing toward James' sense of humor and playfulness, something with which the team is very familiar. The plan is to keep it loose and informal because of their long-term relationship with James, who has been attending the meetings in T-shirts and sweats while his suitors arrive in $2,000 suits.

Although the Cavs have met with James in person several times since the end of the season, they have been preparing for this moment for several months. While their presentation will not be as flashy as some of the others, sources said the Cavs spent significant money and time in creating their show.

The Cavs have displayed the theme of their pitch with the billboards reading "Home" that are across the city. The feeling of home and the comfort with the team is part of the selling point.

There will, of course, be serious business to discuss. The Cavs have two visions to explain. One is how Scott sees James within his systems and what changes he plans to make.

Scott and James already know each other. They have spent time together at events set up by mutual ally Chris Paul of the New Orleans Hornets. But James doesn't know Scott as a coach. Scott hopes to change that today.

Speaking as if he were addressing James directly, Scott said at his introductory news conference on Friday in Independence that he wants the Cavs to be a running offensive team. That is something James has privately, and sometimes publicly, wanted to do more over the last several seasons.

"You could almost look at LeBron as a Magic Johnson type," Scott said, comparing James to his former teammate with the Lakers and close friend. "He has that type of ability, that type of skill."

The second piece of serious business is the roster upgrades that can be executed if James re-signs. That is where Grant and Gilbert come in. The other teams trying to sign James are working toward bringing in other top free agents. The Cavs aren't out of that game.

According to a source, the Toronto Raptors like some of the pieces the Cavs could use in a sign-and-trade for Chris Bosh. The Cavs, unlike rivals trying to get Bosh such as the Bulls and Heat, can offer a package of prospects, quality veterans, expiring contracts and instant savings.

Because of the depth of the roster, the Cavs can absorb a bad contract or two from the Raptors, which could save Toronto millions of dollars this season and years into the future and help with a rebuilding process after Bosh's departure.

It would all be predicated on Bosh wanting to come to Cleveland, and that would depend on James recruiting him after re-signing. So would all the other major moves the Cavs would look into and show James.

Which is why re-signing him is the first priority, and the plan is to show that to him today.

Link:http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....eady_to_m.html
 

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I think Bosh goes to Cleveland. LeBron resigns, and the Cavs trade Kwane Brown and a bag of chips and land Chris Paul. (wait what?)


Your starting five? Chris Paul, Ray Allen, LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Big Z

Off the bench would be JJ Redick raining threes.
 

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casmith07;3450135 said:
I think Bosh goes to Cleveland. LeBron resigns, and the Cavs trade Kwane Brown and a bag of chips and land Chris Paul. (wait what?)


Your starting five? Chris Paul, Ray Allen, LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Big Z

Off the bench would be JJ Redick raining threes.

That would be one special trade considering kwame Brown doesn't even play for the Cavs.
 

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casmith07;3450135 said:
I think Bosh goes to Cleveland. LeBron resigns, and the Cavs trade Kwane Brown and a bag of chips and land Chris Paul. (wait what?)


Your starting five? Chris Paul, Ray Allen, LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Big Z

Off the bench would be JJ Redick raining threes.

No no no..you're thinking of when the lakers traded kwame and a bag of chips for pau gasol..

The nba is a joke and should be ashamed of themselves.
 

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When people say he would make $30M more w/ the Cavs the majority of that is in the last year. The one only the Cavs can offer him. But year by year its almost insignificant.

Lebron would be 30 and would still get a max offer from whoever his team is when his 5 year deal expires. So it would total 11 years and nearly $330M. Not to mention the extra money he would make from winning a title(Which is far more likely w/ the Bulls/Nets than Cleveland)



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$4M through the first 5 years. And like I said, we would obviously have his Bird rights when his deal expires at 30 and would obviously get maxed out again. Who knows what the CBA will look like in 2015 but his salary would start at around $30M and get raises each of the 6 years
 
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