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I'm posting this here, cuz so many are interested...
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Don't be too surprised if Young is in '06 draft

For those who missed the appearance by Vince Young on Pardon the Interruption this week, well, let's just say the University of Texas quarterback wasn't exactly steadfast in reiterating his previously stated stance that he will return for his senior season in 2006.

And that's because, not surprisingly, the Heisman Trophy candidate is considering his options.

In fact, ESPN.com has learned that Young and his family, with one wary eye on the NCAA rules concerning maintaining his eligibility and the other on the first round of the '06 NFL draft, have begun to consider potential agents. Not consider in the sense that they are winnowing down a laundry list of suitors, or even auditioning any potential representatives, although that latter element could change as soon as Saturday, following the Big 12 title game. Rather, the family, in a much broader sense and well within NCAA guidelines, is listening to recommendations and designing an interview process in the event that Young ultimately decides the NFL siren song is simply too tempting.

For now, the process is more than a little unclear, according to people in the know. There is a local Houston attorney, and longtime family friend, who recently became accredited by the NFL Players Association to represent players, and who is telling some people that he will have a role in Young's decision. The person with the most influence, however, is Young's mother, who he lists as his "favorite superhero" in his media guide bio. And Ray Seals, his former coach at Madison High School in Houston, is almost certain to be among those counseling the quarterback about his future.

League scouts, of course, are eyeing the Young situation with considerable interest. The senior crop of quarterbacks for the '06 draft -- led by Southern California's Matt Leinart, fast-rising Jay Cutler of Vanderbilt and perhaps the underachieving but talented Brodie Croyle of Alabama -- is not viewed as a strong one. While scouts are a bit divided over Young, with some feeling that Notre Dame's Brady Quinn is the superior junior, there is little doubt he would be a first-round pick if he entered the draft as an underclassman.

Young has great physical stature, has played in and won some big games, and is viewed by teammates as a terrific leader. The early read from scouts is that he might not be quite as athletic as all those long runs make him appear to be, but there are plenty of tools and a lot of intangibles to work with.

This season, Young, who tends to be his own toughest critic, has completed 168 of 268 passes for 2,576 yards, with 23 touchdown passes and nine interceptions. He has rushed 128 times for 793 yards and eight touchdowns.

It's hardly a slam dunk, as is the case with juniors like the Southern Cal tailback tandem of Reggie Bush and LenDale White, that Young will be in the '06 draft. He is said to be a good listener, open to advice, and will probably lean a bit on Texas coach Mack Brown, who has a legion of NFL contacts, for counsel as well. But the jump to the NFL is a lot more viable now for Young than it was only a few months ago, and no one should be too surprised when recruiters start cozying up to him within minutes of the end of Saturday's conference championship game.
 

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before the year started i heard he had every intent to make this his last year in college and to declare.
 

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I can't understand all the attention surrounding this guy. Who cares if he goes pro or not?

If he starts a single game at QB in the pros I'll be surprised.
 

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Someone will take him in the 1st round. Maybe it will be a bad pick and maybe it won't, but somebody will. Possibly in the top 10. That is a lot of money to turnd down. I know I wouldn't turn it down. I said the same thing last year when Leinart made the decision to stay in school. There is no wrong choice because it depends on what Young wants or Leinart wanted to do with their life. I myself would take the money and invest the signing bonus. You never know when an injury will occur and end you career. I would rather that happen in the NFL than in college. That's just me.
 

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iceberg said:
before the year started i heard he had every intent to make this his last year in college and to declare.

Yep

I beleive he even started some controversy as well. I think he was trying to recruit a top notch QB for Texas and supposedly told the guy that he would be starter once he (Young) went to the pros.

They talked about it on the Ticket last year or earlier this year but my memory is sketchy.

I would love to draft this guy and let Payton tweek his mechanics and learn under Drew for a year or 2.

Like Parcells said about Nguyen, just a Football Playing Dude
 

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Danny White said:
I can't understand all the attention surrounding this guy. Who cares if he goes pro or not?

If he starts a single game at QB in the pros I'll be surprised.

For the life of me I can never understand this mentality.

Serious....Why are you sure that he will be a suck arse QB, which I am assuming you think that because of the word "surprised".

I dont know

You dont know

Vince Young doesnt even know
 

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Young will bea good QB. He's got the neverending work ethic required to be big. Plus his athletic ability and hes already progressed a lot this past year, plus he will have a good bowl game and come out. I knew he would since his PTI interview when I made a thread.
 

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Man I would love this guy. and cowboys is the perfect situation for him to succeed. I dont think the Cardinals are going to pass on him though unfortunately.
 

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mickgreen58 said:
Yep

I beleive he even started some controversy as well. I think he was trying to recruit a top notch QB for Texas and supposedly told the guy that he would be starter once he (Young) went to the pros.

They talked about it on the Ticket last year or earlier this year but my memory is sketchy.

I would love to draft this guy and let Payton tweek his mechanics and learn under Drew for a year or 2.

Like Parcells said about Nguyen, just a Football Playing Dude

I think it was Ryan Perrilloux who ended up going to LSU.
 

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I think it was Ryan Perrilloux who ended up going to LSU.

Okay, I wasnt really sure who it was and when it happened, just remembered it cause just a little hissy fit.

Thanks for clearing it up.
 

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mickgreen58 said:
For the life of me I can never understand this mentality.

Serious....Why are you sure that he will be a suck arse QB, which I am assuming you think that because of the word "surprised".

I dont know

You dont know

Vince Young doesnt even know
His passing doesn't impress me at all. He throws these big loopy lolly-pop passes. I know he completes a lot of passes and has thrown long touchdowns, but it always seems like the Texas recievers are running wide-open down the middle of the field.

But the guy is a good athlete and has been a winner this year, so you never know. I certainly can't imagine being pleased with the Cowboys taking him in the first two rounds, though, which is what some here are hoping for.

Can you honestly say you'd be happy seeing that?
 

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He reminds me more of Randall Cunningham than Michael Vick. More accurate than Vick, but slow throwing motion and more of a long stride runner.
 

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Danny White said:
His passing doesn't impress me at all. He throws these big loopy lolly-pop passes. I know he completes a lot of passes and has thrown long touchdowns, but it always seems like the Texas recievers are running wide-open down the middle of the field.

But the guy is a good athlete and has been a winner this year, so you never know. I certainly can't imagine being pleased with the Cowboys taking him in the first two rounds, though, which is what some here are hoping for.

Can you honestly say you'd be happy seeing that?
yes i would take him first round. he can work on mechanics while riding the pine under bledsoe.
 

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We need a very good big young WR, so I would take Young as a WR. But QB, no way.

I just see a successful WR all day long. QB, no. The only QB that I would like for us to Draft if he comes out is Brady Quinn. This 06 draft or the 07 draft.

I'm sorry, Young is exciting and talented, but as a QB, I just do not see him as a QB in the NFL. High School and College, yeah because you can use a guy with loads of talent to play that spot and help you win. Just like Hines Ward, Crayton, Randle El, and even Marvin Harrison did in College. Look at those guys now, excellent Wrs in the NFL.
 

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Paniolo22 said:
He reminds me more of Randall Cunningham than Michael Vick. More accurate than Vick, but slow throwing motion and more of a long stride runner.
I think Vick is more accurate. Plus, Vick is (and was even as a sophomore in College) 10 times the playmaker that Young is.
 

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the "vince young will be a WR in the NFL"-notion strikes me as being contrary to ALL the available evidence.

the man is a QB and will succeed or fail as a QB.
 

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too bad. If you have watched football, there has been many, many college QBs that were QBs, but once they got to the NFL they became a WR. Matt Jones remember him the QB from Arkansas? He is now a WR. He was a better QB than Young. The only difference is Young plays with a university that can get more talented athlete to put around him than Arkansas could put around Matt Jones.

Say what you want, but Vince is only impressive as a talented Athlete, but as a QB, he is not impressive.
 

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BHendri5 said:
too bad. If you have watched football, there has been many, many college QBs that were QBs, but once they got to the NFL they became a WR. Matt Jones remember him the QB from Arkansas? He is now a WR. He was a better QB than Young. The only difference is Young plays with a university that can get more talented athlete to put around him than Arkansas could put around Matt Jones.

Say what you want, but Vince is only impressive as a talented Athlete, but as a QB, he is not impressive.

You lost me when you said that Matt Jones was a better QB. He wasn't accurate, made bad decisions and his arm wasn't as strong as as Young's . Vince Young is the better QB. He may or may not be good enough to make it in the NFL. Who knows?
 

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Well I've lived in Austin for 20 years, I've seen them all, no I didn't go to U.T., this guy is an NFL QB, he is unbelievably quick, there have been a lot of running Qb's this guy is three steps quicker, he has improved his throwing alot, he will play in the NFL, whether he is or isn't a star, time will tell, its the hardest position, but believe me if Chris Simms can make a roster this guy will too and he will play. He is not a wr. Just wait if he declares he'll be a top 10 pick, he's got it, thats all I can say..
 
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I've seen Vince Young play in person several times. I even saw him play in high school, he dominated, but only threw two or three times in the game. For the sake of argument I'll only use the last time I saw him play in person, which was this year against Texas Tech. The guy was incredibly inaccurate. Less accurate than Quincy Carter. He seems to miss badly when guys are wide open. I'm not talking a little, I'm talking 15 feet over their head or 10 yards in front of their feet. He made some plays in that game and Texas rolled, but the guy had zero consistency when it came to throwing. I left that game thinking he was a bigger, slower right-handed version of Michael Vick. (P.S. Vick is not a great QB, but I would give my left arm to be a big, slow right handed Michael Vick.)
I'm not saying Young isn't a dynamic athlete, because he is, and then some. He will be drafted by an NFL team and probably in the first round. But as a QB he will be a project that comes with no guarantees. Of course, there are no guarantees in the NFL draft.
So do we not want anymore QB projects or is it recycled baseball player QB projects that we don't want?
If the Cowboys take him, great, but I wouldn't be happy next April if it was before the 3rd round. Anything before that would be a reach in my opinion.
But if Parcells thinks he is worth a 1st or 2nd round pick, I'll go with it. Despite watching football my entire life, I'm sure Parcells knows a bit more about talent evaluation than I do.
 
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