LennyP Tipsheet: Vince Young...reconsidering?

[sporadic]

Lemme say this...I am NOT a Texas fan. VY is the REAL DEAL as a RUNNING QB. He is THE most elusive person in close quarters I have ever seen, plus he is bigger than most linebackers. Once you get a bead on Vick, he is ultimately tackleable (is that even a word?), VY is insanely hard to bring down. I laugh when everyone says he will never be a pro QB...that guy will win a crappy team like the Texans 5 or 6 games a year BY HIMSELF. When watching VY, I think Vick may have been God's rough draft.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

too bad. If you have watched football, there has been many, many college QBs that were QBs, but once they got to the NFL they became a WR. Matt Jones remember him the QB from Arkansas? He is now a WR. He was a better QB than Young. The only difference is Young plays with a university that can get more talented athlete to put around him than Arkansas could put around Matt Jones.

Say what you want, but Vince is only impressive as a talented Athlete, but as a QB, he is not impressive.

Amazing.....

The funny thing about this article is that when he had Roy Williams, he did absolutely nothing with him. Which is one of the reason Roy Williams griped and slid in the draft (and the head coach of AZ knowing Fitzgerald since he was a kid).

I bet most people cant even name a receiver on the Longhorns squad.

- Mike G.

 

[kartr]

His passing doesn't impress me at all. He throws these big loopy lolly-pop passes. I know he completes a lot of passes and has thrown long touchdowns, but it always seems like the Texas recievers are running wide-open down the middle of the field.

But the guy is a good athlete and has been a winner this year, so you never know. I certainly can't imagine being pleased with the Cowboys taking him in the first two rounds, though, which is what some here are hoping for.

Can you honestly say you'd be happy seeing that?

Yes we would. Can all the scouts be wrong. He couldn't be any worse than Harrington, Carr and Boller. He can use his athleticism until he picks up the pro game just like Aikman did. He has much more upside than Aikman cause he can throw deep and he can take a game over with his arms or legs.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

His passing doesn't impress me at all. He throws these big loopy lolly-pop passes. I know he completes a lot of passes and has thrown long touchdowns, but it always seems like the Texas recievers are running wide-open down the middle of the field.

But the guy is a good athlete and has been a winner this year, so you never know. I certainly can't imagine being pleased with the Cowboys taking him in the first two rounds, though, which is what some here are hoping for.

Can you honestly say you'd be happy seeing that?

Interesting. So the that receiver from Nortre Dame, Jeff Semerga or whatever his name doesnt make the Notre Dame Quarter everyone seems to be in love with look good on occassions and he is never wide open at times?

Personally, I just think Young needs to work on his mechanics....ya know...kind like what the Cowboys Coaching staff did for some DUDE name Drew Henson this year?

I would not want to waste a 1st round pick on a QB just to convert him to Wide Receiver. I would just say pick a Wide Receiver in that case.

I like this guys' style and beleive me last year I would not even want him on this team. But this year the guy took a giant leap forward in his passing game.

Ohio State has a program just like Texas, which is full of guys who will play on Sundays as does Michigan. He totally dominated Michigan by himself, and against Ohio State, throwing wise, if you have the game footage, he made some very clutch passes all over the field and top notch competition.

Sean Peyton helped Kerry Collins out, though some dont agree, I think he did a nice job on Quincy Carter in 2003.

He throws the ball straight up and never steps into his throws and has a quirky release. All things that can be worked on.

Oh, Im not a UT fan either.

I am a little biased towards players from the State of Texas however .

 

[Vertigo_17]

I can't say whether he's succeed or not in the NFL - but based on how he's played there's no reason why someone won't give him a look in the first. The guy can flat out make plays with his feet. Give him a good QB coach and some time and who knows.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I can't say whether he's succeed or not in the NFL - but based on how he's played there's no reason why someone won't give him a look in the first. The guy can flat out make plays with his feet. Give him a good QB coach and some time and who knows.

 

[kartr]

We need a very good big young WR, so I would take Young as a WR. But QB, no way.

I just see a successful WR all day long. QB, no. The only QB that I would like for us to Draft if he comes out is Brady Quinn. This 06 draft or the 07 draft.

I'm sorry, Young is exciting and talented, but as a QB, I just do not see him as a QB in the NFL. High School and College, yeah because you can use a guy with loads of talent to play that spot and help you win. Just like Hines Ward, Crayton, Randle El, and even Marvin Harrison did in College. Look at those guys now, excellent Wrs in the NFL.

The guys you mentioned are tiny compared to Vince Young. He's more polished as a passer than Vick was and he's tall enough to see down field. Vick is doing just fine. I do like Quinn, but Young has greater upside and he carries his team. Who are the stars on offense besides VY?

 

[kartr]

I think Vick is more accurate. Plus, Vick is (and was even as a sophomore in College) 10 times the playmaker that Young is.

Vick had Andre Davis at WR, Lee Suggs and Kevin Jones at RB his whole college career. He had guys to complement him, who does Young have?

 

[Kilyin]

He seems to miss badly when guys are wide open. I'm not talking a little, I'm talking 15 feet over their head or 10 yards in front of their feet

Sounds like Marcus Vick..

 

[Hiero]

No way Young falls out of the first, regardless of what the haters here want to say. His potential is unlimited almost. I think Denny Green is gonna snatch him and love it.

 

[kartr]

I've seen Vince Young play in person several times. I even saw him play in high school, he dominated, but only threw two or three times in the game. For the sake of argument I'll only use the last time I saw him play in person, which was this year against Texas Tech. The guy was incredibly inaccurate. Less accurate than Quincy Carter. He seems to miss badly when guys are wide open. I'm not talking a little, I'm talking 15 feet over their head or 10 yards in front of their feet. He made some plays in that game and Texas rolled, but the guy had zero consistency when it came to throwing. I left that game thinking he was a bigger, slower right-handed version of Michael Vick. (P.S. Vick is not a great QB, but I would give my left arm to be a big, slow right handed Michael Vick.)
I'm not saying Young isn't a dynamic athlete, because he is, and then some. He will be drafted by an NFL team and probably in the first round. But as a QB he will be a project that comes with no guarantees. Of course, there are no guarantees in the NFL draft.
So do we not want anymore QB projects or is it recycled baseball player QB projects that we don't want?
If the Cowboys take him, great, but I wouldn't be happy next April if it was before the 3rd round. Anything before that would be a reach in my opinion.
But if Parcells thinks he is worth a 1st or 2nd round pick, I'll go with it. Despite watching football my entire life, I'm sure Parcells knows a bit more about talent evaluation than I do.

Relax, Parcells wont draft him. He's not smart enough to. Didn't he spend a third round pick on a guy who had played more baseball than football and he hadn't played football in three years, all the while we had a playoff qb already who Bill promised he wouldn't draft another qb. Don't tell me we didn't draft Henson either, if you spend a draft pick on a player, it's the same thing.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The guys you mentioned are tiny compared to Vince Young. He's more polished as a passer than Vick was and he's tall enough to see down field. Vick is doing just fine. I do like Quinn, but Young has greater upside and he carries his team. Who are the stars on offense besides VY?

There is no question, young is the guy in that offense but he is far from alone. Taylor, Charles, Young, Sweed, Pittman, Crosby can all make plays in that offense. The OL of Sendlin, Blalock, Studdard, Allan and Scott is formidable. Young is a special player but there is a great deal of talent on that Texas offense IMO.

 

[joseephuss]

No way Young falls out of the first, regardless of what the haters here want to say. His potential is unlimited almost. I think Denny Green is gonna snatch him and love it.

No, Denny is going to snatch up Reggie Bush.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Relax, Parcells wont draft him. He's not smart enough to. Didn't he spend a third round pick on a guy who had played more baseball than football and he hadn't played football in three years, all the while we had a playoff qb already who Bill promised he wouldn't draft another qb. Don't tell me we didn't draft Henson either, if you spend a draft pick on a player, it's the same thing.

I agree with you. I don't see us drafting Young either but not for the reason you put forward. Far from it, in fact. I just don't see us trading up to get Young. To many other directions we need to go, IMO.

 

[kartr]

Interesting. So the that receiver from Nortre Dame, Jeff Semerga or whatever his name doesnt make the Notre Dame Quarter everyone seems to be in love with look good on occassions and he is never wide open at times?

Personally, I just think Young needs to work on his mechanics....ya know...kind like what the Cowboys Coaching staff did for some DUDE name Drew Henson this year?

I would not want to waste a 1st round pick on a QB just to convert him to Wide Receiver. I would just say pick a Wide Receiver in that case.

I like this guys' style and beleive me last year I would not even want him on this team. But this year the guy took a giant leap forward in his passing game.

Ohio State has a program just like Texas, which is full of guys who will play on Sundays as does Michigan. He totally dominated Michigan by himself, and against Ohio State, throwing wise, if you have the game footage, he made some very clutch passes all over the field and top notch competition.

Sean Peyton helped Kerry Collins out, though some dont agree, I think he did a nice job on Quincy Carter in 2003.

He throws the ball straight up and never steps into his throws and has a quirky release. All things that can be worked on.

Oh, Im not a UT fan either.

I am a little biased towards players from the State of Texas however .

Interesting that many think that Henson can be developed into a creditable qb with 8-9 starts five or six years ago, but Young can't be developed after having the best won-lost record of any UT qb in years.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No, Denny is going to snatch up Reggie Bush.

I would not be surprised to see that at all.

 

[Kilyin]

No, Denny is going to snatch up Reggie Bush.

Cards won't have the #1 pick, and that's where Bush is going. Houston, San Fran, or Green Bay here he comes.

 

[Hiero]

No, Denny is going to snatch up Reggie Bush.

Theyre going to get bush when
1) Theyre not gonna be even close enoguh to draft him( top2-3 picks)
2) they chose a RB with the 2nd rd choice last year
please.... :bang2:

 

[Hiero]

Cards won't have the #1 pick, and that's where Bush is going. Houston, San Fran, or Green Bay here he comes.

nah, houston has a RB resigned as well and will get D'brick. san fran, green bay or NY Jets will get him you can book that.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Cards won't have the #1 pick, and that's where Bush is going. Houston, San Fran, or Green Bay here he comes.

Interesting, so you think he will jumped his teammate. The guys on the ESPN mourning show had that same opinion about 3 weeks ago.

I think you may be right.