CFZ Let Wil McClay lead

[quickccc]

He's a guy who has done well in the unique circumstances of a Jerry Jones-led football team. He won't be fired for bad picks because the owner and the son sign off on each one. He won't challenge them becuase he is well compensated. The Jones aren't threatened by him and he does most of the hard part of the job (watching countless film, evaluating depth charts, etc) that most GM's that don't also own the team normally have to.


I would be curious to see how McClay would do on another team where he'd be fully accountable and have the ultimate say on personnel.

I on the other hand, would Not be curious to find McClay on another team, when he's been successful on our own team.

As another post mentioned, he's been more successful hits than misses, despite some lack of support by the Jones in coming up with key impact
free agents in the past.

- The Jones count so much (too much?) on McClay coming up successful in just the NFL draf alone, and picking up money ball cheap street vet free agents
that are fillers ala Anthony Barr types because Stephen does not want to invest in the " middle ground " vet free agents or bug league trades (ala WR Anthony Brown to Eagles)

- Yes the nucleus talent core of our team should come thru the NFL draft, but your main personnel guy still needs help via FA and trades,
As the bud light commercials used to say .." Leon can't do Every thang "

- That's something the current vice P Stephen " Cap Boy " has been clearly very conservative with and held us back from advancing Eagle like, imo.
Although it took a shake this offseason, as management made major additional upgrades, with very little risk and premium (late round picks)

 

[quickccc]

What you’re asking for is what has been reality for years. He’s the expert that Stephen and Jerry trust.

What i am asking is two things.
1) Let McClay lead personnel moves (ala the NFL draft)
2) Support McClay with key " middle ground " vets in FA and trades, instead of just bargain cheap street vets

 

[Adreme]

Dallas is one of the best drafting teams in the league

At finding great players they are one of the best in the league. At finding players to supplement that, they are actually pretty bad. It is the reason people like to say Dallas has one of the most talented rosters in football because when judging a roster most analysts just look at the top, but do not look at the filler players.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I on the other hand, would Not be curious to find McClay on another team, when he's been successful on our own team.

As another post mentioned, he's been more successful hits than misses, despite some lack of support by the Jones in coming up with key impact
free agents in the past.

- The Jones count so much (too much?) on McClay coming up successful in just the NFL draf alone, and picking up money ball cheap street vet free agents
that are fillers ala Anthony Barr types because Stephen does not want to invest in the " middle ground " vet free agents or bug league trades (ala WR Anthony Brown to Eagles)

- Yes the nucleus talent core of our team should come thru the NFL draft, but your main personnel guy still needs help via FA and trades,
As the bud light commercials used to say .." Leon can't do Every thang "

- That's something the current vice P Stephen " Cap Boy " has been clearly very conservative with and held us back from advancing Eagle like, imo.
Although it took a shake this offseason, as management made major additional upgrades, with very little risk and premium (late round picks)

I agree with all this. McClay has been really successful with the unique constraints that the Jones create for him.

I just think it's a different measurement when your job is on the line.

McClay was a former AFL coach (for Jerry's team) and was right place, right time when Tom Ciskowski finally had enough of the Jones and went off on them. McClay saw in person what standing up for your beliefs does. He knows how to play the game.

 

[RxMan]

In a nutshell, if a draft pick is a huge hit then it was McClay's idea. If the draft pick is a bust then the pick was influenced by the Jones'. Got it.

 

[Kwyn]

What i am asking is two things.
1) Let McClay lead personnel moves (ala the NFL draft)
2) Support McClay with key " middle ground " vets in FA and trades, instead of just bargain cheap street vets

Ok. And what do you think is happening? Scouting and recommendations on Cooks and Gilmore came from McClay and the coaches, as it should, and McClay has run our draft for years

 

[DallasEast]

There is not any justification for Will McClay to not be recognized by the appropriate job title, just like his peers are recognized across the league. Additionally, there is no way of verifying exactly how many duties and responsibilities Jerry Jones oversees each day, week and month.

What is verifiable is what Jones publicly claims to do as general manager. Whether he boasts or embellishes can be questioned. What is not questionable is that he is significantly removed from the duties and responsibilities of a general manager. The man's mentality would not permit being self-regulated to simply signing contracts and pay checks. That assumption is extremely not likely.

 

[john van brocklin]

My one big wish list going into the offseason with players per free agency, trades and NFL Draft is ...let guru Wil McClay lead the way.

- Sure Stephen "Cap Boy" Jones will determine the contract dollar amount this team will commit to certain players whether on the roster, or from outside.
And no doubt has a hand in what draft picks and rounds will be determined in any possible trades

- But McClay's groups scouts, film studies, and evaluate the outsiders, both from around the NFL, and especially in the NFL draft.

- And the NFL draft is most definitely where i want McClay leading and determining the players selected in respective rounds.

- No Defensive Coordinator in his ear urging him to hurry and pick this and that player early on ..
No more Taco Charltons and Nahshon Wrights in early rounds.

It's not always gonna be a golden fleece with McClay, and we'll get the Escobars, Josephs, McGovern but I've become to trust him with hits- mistakes.
He's won more than he has lost. And he won't buckle to what media and fans want.

- Many questioned the LVE pick, but he was lights out his rookie year and Pro bowl, many questioned Lamb pick over defensive picks, he's a Pro Bowler
and easily our lead feature WR.

- Many questioned the Tyler Smith pick in first round last year. But he's a bright spot for this team last year and looks to be our future star at LT.

I think most Cowboys fans
Would like to see him become GM.
Maybe after Jerry moves on?

 

[Pass2Run]

No one is perfect. It's NEVER happened in this league. Even the great Jimmy Johnson has some big misses. Overall McClay has far more hits than misses for the Cowboys. To judge him strictly off of not drafting TJ (and his knee history going into that draft) isn't a fair evaluation.

Exactly. The fact people think that someone doesn't know what they're doing because they made a mistake is hilarious and ironically shows how little they actually know.

 

[DallasEast]

I think most Cowboys fans
Would like to see him become GM.
Maybe after Jerry moves on?

It should not be necessary for McClay to wait until that happens. Plus, there is not any guarantee Jones' successor will not operate in the same fashion.

McClay gained the experience and qualifications for the job title of general manager. Jones should have relinquished the job title at the moment that realization became irrefutable. He would personally lose zero credibility for doing so since he is already the owner and self-made president of the franchise. Unfortunately, he refuses to do the right thing--to be the better man and employer--simply for the sake of greater self-infatuation and self-gratification.

 

[quickccc]

It should not be necessary for McClay to wait until that happens. Plus, there is not any guarantee Jones' successor will not operate in the same fashion.

McClay gained the experience and qualifications for the job title of general manager. Jones should have relinquished the job title at the moment that realization became irrefutable. He would personally lose zero credibility for doing so since he is already the owner and self-made president of the franchise. Unfortunately, he refuses to do the right thing--to be the better man and employer--simply for the sake of greater self-infatuation and self-gratification.

The flip side of that is Wil McClay apparently is very content with his current role with the Cowboys..

He's re-signed, and it's strongly assumed that the Jones must have rewarded and compensated him quite well
to stay among the Cowboys organization.

I'm pretty sure he could fish for a GM job around the NFL if he desired, especially with his reputation, success record with the most popular NFL sports
in the world.
He's said several times per interview how his family dearly loves the Dallas area, and family is always thought of first.

Heck it used to be that at one time the DC.com site did not even include McClay,.. however someone inside finally noticed and gave care and McClay and
his support scout crew is now included.

 

[nathanlt]

My one big wish list going into the offseason with players per free agency, trades and NFL Draft is ...let guru Wil McClay lead the way.

- Sure Stephen "Cap Boy" Jones will determine the contract dollar amount this team will commit to certain players whether on the roster, or from outside.
And no doubt has a hand in what draft picks and rounds will be determined in any possible trades

- But McClay's groups scouts, film studies, and evaluate the outsiders, both from around the NFL, and especially in the NFL draft.

- And the NFL draft is most definitely where i want McClay leading and determining the players selected in respective rounds.

- No Defensive Coordinator in his ear urging him to hurry and pick this and that player early on ..
No more Taco Charltons and Nahshon Wrights in early rounds.

It's not always gonna be a golden fleece with McClay, and we'll get the Escobars, Josephs, McGovern but I've become to trust him with hits- mistakes.
He's won more than he has lost. And he won't buckle to what media and fans want.

- Many questioned the LVE pick, but he was lights out his rookie year and Pro bowl, many questioned Lamb pick over defensive picks, he's a Pro Bowler
and easily our lead feature WR.

- Many questioned the Tyler Smith pick in first round last year. But he's a bright spot for this team last year and looks to be our future star at LT.

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly about Will McClay!!!

Isn't this a great situation that our country is in, considering our history? We are enthusiastically supporting a talented individual based on results, and not on any of the divisive issues that permeate our country. I enjoy this moment, and we all should be thankful that our country is at this point!

 

[GMO415]

My one big wish list going into the offseason with players per free agency, trades and NFL Draft is ...let guru Wil McClay lead the way.

- Sure Stephen "Cap Boy" Jones will determine the contract dollar amount this team will commit to certain players whether on the roster, or from outside.
And no doubt has a hand in what draft picks and rounds will be determined in any possible trades

- But McClay's groups scouts, film studies, and evaluate the outsiders, both from around the NFL, and especially in the NFL draft.

- And the NFL draft is most definitely where i want McClay leading and determining the players selected in respective rounds.

- No Defensive Coordinator in his ear urging him to hurry and pick this and that player early on ..
No more Taco Charltons and Nahshon Wrights in early rounds.

It's not always gonna be a golden fleece with McClay, and we'll get the Escobars, Josephs, McGovern but I've become to trust him with hits- mistakes.
He's won more than he has lost. And he won't buckle to what media and fans want.

- Many questioned the LVE pick, but he was lights out his rookie year and Pro bowl, many questioned Lamb pick over defensive picks, he's a Pro Bowler
and easily our lead feature WR.

- Many questioned the Tyler Smith pick in first round last year. But he's a bright spot for this team last year and looks to be our future star at LT.

You forgot Barbie Carpenter

 

[DallasEast]

The flip side of that is Wil McClay apparently is very content with his current role with the Cowboys..

He's re-signed, and it's strongly assumed that the Jones must have rewarded and compensated him quite well
to stay among the Cowboys organization.

I'm pretty sure he could fish for a GM job around the NFL if he desired, especially with his reputation, success record with the most popular NFL sports
in the world.
He's said several times per interview how his family dearly loves the Dallas area, and family is always thought of first.

Heck it used to be that at one time the DC.com site did not even include McClay,.. however someone inside finally noticed and gave care and McClay and
his support scout crew is now included.

The flip side is that Jones supposedly paid him handsomely to keep doing a job without the proper acknowledgment? Regrettably, that practice happens throughout the business world more than it should.

He and his family, like any family, should be happy where they live. Geography is not assigning McClay the proper job title. It is Jones.

...and a team website mention? Okay. Let's focus simply on the NFC East "Team" webpages for a moment:

• Giants - FOOTBALL OPERATIONS/Joe Schoen Senior Vice President and General Manager
• Eagles - FOOTBALL OPERATIONS/Howie Roseman Executive Vice President/General Manager
• Commanders - FOOTBALL OPERATIONS/Martin Mayhew/General Manager

Cowboys - Player Personnel/Will McClay/Vice-President of Player Personnel

The someone who finally noticed was Jones. He noticed five other executives should be identified for the webpage's FOOTBALL OPERATIONS section, effectively creating a buffer between his pic and McClay's pic. The DNA siblings' pics had been an established page hog for a long time already. Look at all those new extra faces resting between him and McClay now. Nice.

It should be interesting to observe who will be spotted more inside Jones' throne room war room during the draft along with DNA Kid #1, Mike McCarthy and him. Will it be the five FOOTBALL OPERATIONS' guys? Or. Will it be McClay?

Then again, McClay should feel privileged enough to get a seat in the war room. One never knows when The Grandson will be seen flopped down in a chair near Big Papi Jerry, instead of someone else actually qualified to be inside the room in the first place.

 

[quickccc]

The flip side is that Jones supposedly paid him handsomely to keep doing a job without the proper acknowledgment? Regrettably, that practice happens throughout the business world more than it should.

He and his family, like any family, should be happy where they live. Geography is not assigning McClay the proper job title. It is Jones.

...and a team website mention? Okay. Let's focus simply on the NFC East "Team" webpages for a moment:

• Giants - FOOTBALL OPERATIONS/Joe Schoen Senior Vice President and General Manager
• Eagles - FOOTBALL OPERATIONS/Howie Roseman Executive Vice President/General Manager
• Commanders - FOOTBALL OPERATIONS/Martin Mayhew/General Manager

Cowboys - Player Personnel/Will McClay/Vice-President of Player Personnel

The someone who finally noticed was Jones. He noticed five other executives should be identified for the webpage's FOOTBALL OPERATIONS section, effectively creating a buffer between his pic and McClay's pic. The DNA siblings' pics had been an established page hog for a long time already. Look at all those new extra faces resting between him and McClay now. Nice.

It should be interesting to observe who will be spotted more inside Jones' throne room war room during the draft along with DNA Kid #1, Mike McCarthy and him. Will it be the five FOOTBALL OPERATIONS' guys? Or. Will it be McClay?

Then again, McClay should feel privileged enough to get a seat in the war room. One never knows when The Grandson will be seen flopped down in a chair near Big Papi Jerry, instead of someone else actually qualified to be inside the room in the first place.

Thanks for sharing...

Anyone already on the Cowboys staff, management team or coaching team, ..or outsiders that the Cowboys have interest in bringing on board, pretty much knows the position of power in this organization and how it will be operated accordingly.
Bigger question is ..Can they deal with it ?

- Even legendary HCs such as Jimmie Johnson, nor Bill Parcells is never gonna change that – and even the big Tuna himself knew post-Jimmie, what he was getting into,
and yet he still came to the table as new HC.

- Ditto for a Mike McCarthy who also has super bowl achievements to his resume and name, also had to know what he was getting into when the Cowboys expressed interest
and accepted his new role accordingly.

- No doubt with a Sean Payton, if the dynamics had turned that way as a possible HC candidate.

- Dan Quinn ? He’s had two opportunities to seek HC possibilities elsewhere around the NFL, and mind you that this is a HC that was pit vs dynasty NE Pats,
yet those two times he’s returned.

- The road goes through the Jones, anyone coming, during, or departing knows that. It’s the terms they have to accept.

- The Giants, Eagles nor Commandoes do not have a Jerry Jones, as owner and contrary to popular opinion, I believe his son Stephen is practically the bigger background of
Cowboys' football operations than many do not realize, and he has more of a step forward foot than his emotionally attached father,
who would have kept on a Zeke, ..a Dez, ..a Romo,..a Witten ..etc. .

 

[CowboyRoy]

McClay still needs to look at the type of players the coaches want. He can find the players and present them to the team. But the coaches still need input.

I think Jerry has not been involved with any of these decisions as much as the fans still claim.

EXACTLY!

What good is a HC if your not getting the guys he wants for his style of play.

 

[cowboyed]

McClay still needs to look at the type of players the coaches want. He can find the players and present them to the team. But the coaches still need input.

I think Jerry has not been involved with any of these decisions as much as the fans still claim.

I think so too that Jerry is less involved in player and even lower rank coaching staff acquisition decisions. Jerry is 80 freaking years old. I am sure that the executive management staff can almost smell the embalming fluid when Jerry enters a meeting room. Great owner, but historically a roller coasting GM.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...was-a-mistake-i-wish-we-wouldve-selected-him/

With the 28th-overall pick in the 2017 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select ... Taco Charlton. While there are plenty of examples of teams such as the Dallas Cowboys getting skewered for a draft decision, few have and will continue to haunt them like the decision to turn their back on T.J. Watt to grab Charlton out of Michigan. It was initially a decision Vice President of Player Personnel Will McClay stood in front of the train for, but there were always loud whispers emanating from within the organization that it wasn't nearly as much McClay pounding the table for Charlton as it was the coaching staff -- primarily defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli.

The Cowboys are now readily admitting that was not the case, at least not entirely (if at all). Team exec Stephen Jones now publicly places the blame on Marinelli, in a Friday interview with 105.3FM the Fan. When asked if the Cowboys outright regret selecting Charlton over Watt, Jones was unequivocal.

"Absolutely," he said. "You always do that if you're truthful and you're honest. The harder part of that is he was in serious contention [to be our pick]. I think the biggest issue was we were playing a 4-3 there with Rod [Marinelli] and Rod was concerned about how he'd hold up against the run in the 4-3 -- didn't have that same concern with Taco [Charlton]."

 

[shabazz]

I think most Cowboys fans
Would like to see him become GM.
Maybe after Jerry moves on?

That’s Stephens spot……..he’s got a lock on it

 

[quickccc]

I agree with all this. McClay has been really successful with the unique constraints that the Jones create for him.

I just think it's a different measurement when your job is on the line.

McClay was a former AFL coach (for Jerry's team) and was right place, right time when Tom Ciskowski finally had enough of the Jones and went off on them. McClay saw in person what standing up for your beliefs does. He knows how to play the game.

From what i understood it, Tom Ciskowski retired.
I don't believe he's been on any NFL team since he departed here.