Let women into Augusta golf club

[The30YardSlant]

Members of a private club shouldn't be allowed to have whomever they please as members?

One of the silliest things posted in the history of this forum.

It's baffling isnt it? People actually believe that.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I think that's wrong. It would be awesome if Augusta hosted a women's Masters tournament every year.

They'd help erase some of the good ole boys image they have, and make heaps of cash in the process with new sponsors along with viewership, etc.

I'm also surprised their policy hasn't been challenged in court yet either, under an equal protection or discrimination complaint. Augusta would likely lose if someone had the stones to sue them over it, particularly in today's day and age. 15 to 20 years ago I'd say they were safe, however.

There is no complaint to be made and anybody ignorant enough to try would be laughed out of the courtroom. Despite what some want to believe, "private" still means something to those who make enforce the laws of the land.

You really want the courts to have the power to issue mandates to privately owned and funded clubs? That's borderline terrifying.

 

[casmith07]

There is no complaint to be made and anybody ignorant enough to try would be laughed out of the courtroom. Despite what some want to believe, "private" still means something to those who make enforce the laws of the land.

You really want the courts to have the power to issue mandates to privately owned and funded clubs? That's borderline terrifying.

I forgot which law school you went to. Remind me again?

 

[casmith07]

"Somehow"? Good grief... :laugh2:

A truly private club (meaning privately owned and free from contact with interstate commerce) can discriminate based on any criteria they want, and people are free to deny them their business if they do not agree with their practices.

It truly baffles me how so many people either believe the government has supreme authority over private enterprise or wish they did. Private autonomy is dwindling enough as it is.

Just like the Heart of Atlanta Motel, right?

 

[The30YardSlant]

Just like the Heart of Atlanta Motel, right?

Funny that you bring that up seeing as the Heart Of Atlanta Motel v. The United States is the very case which established interstate commerce as the line that seperates the truly private entities from others. The majority of the hotel's revenue came from out of state residents. Augusta is funded entirely by private fees, donations and most importantly their private broadcast contract. Broadcast contracts have been deemed free from government intervention based on interstate commerce in a court of law...twice.

:laugh2:

 

[The30YardSlant]

I forgot which law school you went to. Remind me again?

All I did was pay attention in tenth grade, though I'm sure they covered this again on the second day of law school. Apparently you slept through both. Shame, could have saved you some embarrassment.

 

[arglebargle]

Commerce Clause allows the federal government to mess with pretty much anything. It's another example of why we should always be leary of broadly based law enacted in a time of crisis.

 

[CliffnDallas]

Why do these women think men join these clubs, the answer of corse is... To get away from their wifes.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

I think a private club is exactly that.

Women should make their own private golf course. I am willing to bet most guys won't give a crap. It's silly for this to be a point of contention with women.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for womens rights and such...but that is like me asking to go shopping with my lady on black friday...that's her thing. Do your thing babe.

 

[Cythim]

I think a private club is exactly that.

Women should make their own private golf course. I am willing to bet most guys won't give a crap. It's silly for this to be a point of contention with women.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for womens rights and such...but that is like me asking to go shopping with my lady on black friday...that's her thing. Do your thing babe.

The problem in this specific case comes with the implied business transactions happening within the club itself. IBM is now at a disadvantage if their female CEO cannot get into the club and rub elbows with other members of the business elite. I really cannot speculate how much of a disadvantage it truly is, but it represents the hardships women face in obtaining and remaining in positions of power.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Gender based discrimination is illegal, but the "private club" good ole boys network style of control is still somehow allowed to be above the law.

It's a "private club" which is why they are allowed to be discriminatory. If it's your club, you don't have to let anyone you don't want in. If it were a public course, they would not be allowed to do that.

There are several golf clubs near my house that do not allow Jewish members.

 

[Doomsday101]

The problem in this specific case comes with the implied business transactions happening within the club itself. IBM is now at a disadvantage if their female CEO cannot get into the club and rub elbows with other members of the business elite. I really cannot speculate how much of a disadvantage it truly is, but it represents the hardships women face in obtaining and remaining in positions of power.

But in the end Augusta does not serve the community they do not get tax payer money they have the right to determine their membership which as I have stated is at 300 members. IBM as a sponsor of the Masters clearly has the right to not sponsor it but they don't have the right to force Augusta to change their strict policy on its membership.

Here are just some of the notable members


Bill Gates, co-founder and chairman of Microsoft
Warren Buffett, CEO of Berkshire Hathaway
Jack Welch, former CEO of General Electric
Pete Coors, former chairman and CEO of Coors Brewing Company, current Chairman of Molson Coors Brewing Company & MillerCoors.
James D. Robinson III, former CEO of American Express
Harold "Red" Poling, former CEO of the Ford Motor Company
Carl Sanders, former Governor of Georgia
Sam Nunn, former United States Senator from Georgia
T. Boone Pickens, Jr., oil tycoon
Hugh L. McColl Jr., Former CEO of Bank of America
Lou Holtz former college football coach
Lynn Swann, former NFL player
Pat Haden, former NFL player and current athletic director at the University of Southern California

 

[YosemiteSam]

But in the end Augusta does not serve the community they do not get tax payer money they have the right to determine their membership which as I have stated is at 300 members. IBM as a sponsor of the Masters clearly has the right to not sponsor it but they don't have the right to force Augusta to change their strict policy on its membership.

Here are just some of the notable members


Bill Gates, co-founder and chairman of Microsoft
Warren Buffett, CEO of Berkshire Hathaway
Jack Welch, former CEO of General Electric
Pete Coors, former chairman and CEO of Coors Brewing Company, current Chairman of Molson Coors Brewing Company & MillerCoors.
James D. Robinson III, former CEO of American Express
Harold "Red" Poling, former CEO of the Ford Motor Company
Carl Sanders, former Governor of Georgia
Sam Nunn, former United States Senator from Georgia
T. Boone Pickens, Jr., oil tycoon
Hugh L. McColl Jr., Former CEO of Bank of America
Lou Holtz former college football coach
Lynn Swann, former NFL player
Pat Haden, former NFL player and current athletic director at the University of Southern California

The funny thing is, these guys are members and pay a lot of money to be members. Yet most don't live anywhere near Augusta, GA nor visit often enough to make it worth it. It's a prestigious thing.

If people really want to hurt Augusta Country Club, they should attack the PGA and force them to stop playing there.

 

[Doomsday101]

The funny thing is, these guys are members and pay a lot of money to be members. Yet most don't live anywhere near Augusta, GA nor visit often enough to make it worth it. It's a prestigious thing.

If people really want to hurt Augusta Country Club, they should attack the PGA and force them to stop playing there.

Give the long tradition of the Masters that will not happen. It means way too much to those who play it and even if the PGA was not involved it can't force the world’s best from playing in it since the players can play or not play in any event they choose.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Give the long tradition of the Masters that will not happen. It means way too much to those who play it and even if the PGA was not involved it can't force the world’s best from playing in it since the players can play or not play in any event they choose.

I said prevent the PGA from playing there. I didn't say, they can't prevent players from going there to play on their own. If PGA sponsors start boycotting the PGA and telling them not to play there, they will stop playing there.

 

[burmafrd]

hilarious the ignorance of basic law.

More likely its the gomers who want the government to run everything and therefore private means nothing at all

 

[burmafrd]

The problem in this specific case comes with the implied business transactions happening within the club itself. IBM is now at a disadvantage if their female CEO cannot get into the club and rub elbows with other members of the business elite. I really cannot speculate how much of a disadvantage it truly is, but it represents the hardships women face in obtaining and remaining in positions of power.

oh wah wah wah

it that is the best case you can make its pathetic

 

[Doomsday101]

I said prevent the PGA from playing there. I didn't say, they can't prevent players from going there to play on their own. If PGA sponsors start boycotting the PGA and telling them not to play there, they will stop playing there.

No they won't. PGA could drop it from their list of events but the Masters would still be played. When they threatend to pull sponsership from the Master a few years back Hootie Johnson said fine we will not have sponsers and the event was held commercial free. Following year those sponser wanted in. The viewership is that large.

PGA has no control over some of these event like the British Open, hell the British open was around long before the PGA exsisted. If there is a purse to had and a title to be won with only the best of the best invited they will come

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Someone took this picture, seems you can only see it once you are inside the club...

 

[YosemiteSam]

No they won't. PGA could drop it from their list of events but the Masters would still be played. When they threatend to pull sponsership from the Master a few years back Hootie Johnson said fine we will not have sponsers and the event was held commercial free. Following year those sponser wanted in. The viewership is that large.

PGA has no control over some of these event like the British Open, hell the British open was around long before the PGA exsisted. If there is a purse to had and a title to be won with only the best of the best invited they will come

The Masters is a PGA event. If they (Augusta) hold a non-PGA, non-sponsored event, it won't be The Masters.

Roll forward. Someone has to supply the winnings. If nobody sponsors an even, they it must be funded privately. Now tell me. How long do you think that is going to last? Not long. You under estimate the power of big business. If public outcry demands that big business not sponsor an event, they will stop or lose business. If big business doesn't sponsor the event, that event will eventually fold.

So, as a pro golfer. (especially one that doesn't win very often.) Do you go play Augusta for chump change or do you go play a PGA event that pays very well? Especially of the top golfers go play Augusta that year?

If people demand it, it will happen.