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The way we ended the season... the way we were playing... we were susceptible to losing to any of the following teams in the playoffs

  1. Bucs
  2. Skins
  3. Packers
  4. Giants - they proved it
While neither of the above are better - we were vulnerable

This should be a major issue for next season. Beating those teams we should beat. Removing all doubt.

We let the Giants hang and they won. Look at the Packers... they let the Giants hang and they won.
 

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YoMick;1919153 said:
The way we ended the season... the way we were playing... we were susceptible to losing to any of the following teams in the playoffs

  1. Bucs
  2. Skins
  3. Packers
  4. Giants - they proved it
While neither of the above are better - we were vulnerable

This should be a major issue for next season. Beating those teams we should beat. Removing all doubt.

We let the Giants hang and they won. Look at the Packers... they let the Giants hang and they won.

the giants lost twice to us in the regular season. did they beat who they should beat? no. but they got better as the year went on. we started off high and fell. again. can't be wade, we did it last year. can't be parcells, we did it this year. so it must be we still don't have all the talent we need to get it done when we need to get it done.

a new RB and a new speed WR to replace glenn if he can't come back are a priority. crayton needs to step back to #3 and make damn good #3 money. he also needs a ball-gag and shock treatments when he mouths off.

houk needs to work a minor miracle on the OL and we've got some decisions to make there also. romo can't keep running around as he did last year. the line must protect better. period. they also must improve run blocking.

we need another solid CB or two. we've seen how having a weak secondary hurts.

all told, we overachieved during the year and underachieved at the end. we need to get more consistant and yes, beat teams we should w/o it being a nail biter. buffalo and other games showed us while we can win, it's not like we should so a bad call or bad play can turn those games against it where it went for us this time around.

we're still a work in progress but a damn sight further down the road than we've ever been in a long long time.
 

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With the addition of Houck, we let Flozell go and replace him with Free or McQuistan. We take that money savings and sign Samuel out of New England. We resign Hamlin and move him to SS and let Roy Williams go. Move Henry to FS and draft Reggie Smith with the 22nd pick in the draft.

The saving between letting Roy Williams and Flozell Adams go, should easily leave enough room for Samuel.

That shores up our defense and with Houck our offensive line should actually perform better.

On the offensive side of the ball, Malcolm Kelly will be gone so it isn't looking like we will be able to draft high end potential at WR. That means we should look at picking up Roy Williams (the WR) in trade if possible. (29th pick in the draft?) I doubt the Cardinal will let Fitzgerald go, and if they did they would charge a kings ransom. Then I would trade up in the second round to try and grab the best running back I could find. Someone with an explosive first step, speed, can catch and small with a strong core. We have a big power back now, we just need a 3rd down complement back. (someone in the mold of Eric Metcalf)
 

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YoMick;1919153 said:
The way we ended the season... the way we were playing... we were susceptible to losing to any of the following teams in the playoffs

  1. Bucs
  2. Skins
  3. Packers
  4. Giants - they proved it
While neither of the above are better - we were vulnerable

This should be a major issue for next season. Beating those teams we should beat. Removing all doubt.

We let the Giants hang and they won. Look at the Packers... they let the Giants hang and they won.

Well..the reason why the Bucs went 1 and done was b/c they SUCK. If the Saints and Panthers had bothered to halfway show up this season, the NFCS would have gone to either one instead.

Anyhow-I have to agree with your post-championship teams don't commit boneheaded penalties, drop many passes, come out unfocused, and come out with bad game plans to boot.

No argument, let's move on to '08.
 

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nyc;1919166 said:
With the addition of Houck, we let Flozell go and replace him with Free or McQuistan. We take that money savings and sign Samuel out of New England. We resign Hamlin and move him to SS and let Roy Williams go. Move Henry to FS and draft Reggie Smith with the 22nd pick in the draft.

The saving between letting Roy Williams and Flozell Adams go, should easily leave enough room for Samuel.

That shores up our defense and with Houck our offensive line should actually perform better.

On the offensive side of the ball, Malcolm Kelly will be gone so it isn't looking like we will be able to draft high end potential at WR. That means we should look at picking up Roy Williams (the WR) in trade if possible. (29th pick in the draft?) I doubt the Cardinal will let Fitzgerald go, and if they did they would charge a kings ransom. Then I would trade up in the second round to try and grab the best running back I could find. Someone with an explosive first step, speed, can catch and small with a strong core. We have a big power back now, we just need a 3rd down complement back. (someone in the mold of Eric Metcalf)

ROY WILLIAMS IS NOT DROPPABLE at this point. his cap hit would be pretty big. i know he's everyone's favorite whipping boy and you just can't be cool unless you slam on roy, but we need to hope he finds himself because he's not going anywhere.
 

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iceberg;1919170 said:
ROY WILLIAMS IS NOT DROPPABLE at this point. his cap hit would be pretty big. i know he's everyone's favorite whipping boy and you just can't be cool unless you slam on roy, but we need to hope he finds himself because he's not going anywhere.

Droppable, no. But he need to take a serious look in the mirror. The coverage stuff is what it is. The poor tackling I've seen is unacceptable and should have gotten him benched for a series or two at times this year. Of course, you can't do that because he's a freaking baby and would pout for a month.
 

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abersonc;1919173 said:
Droppable, no. But he need to take a serious look in the mirror. The coverage stuff is what it is. The poor tackling I've seen is unacceptable and should have gotten him benched for a series or two at times this year. Of course, you can't do that because he's a freaking baby and would pout for a month.

maybe he's got some growing up of his own to do. : ) like i said, we need to hope he does that this off-season. maybe we should all pitch in and buy him a ticket to a mountain top in tibet where he can find inner-peace with a monk.
 

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iceberg;1919170 said:
ROY WILLIAMS IS NOT DROPPABLE at this point. his cap hit would be pretty big. i know he's everyone's favorite whipping boy and you just can't be cool unless you slam on roy, but we need to hope he finds himself because he's not going anywhere.

Listen buddy, I'm not a Roy Williams hater. Sure he has issues in coverage. My issue today is not just his coverage, it's his playing mindset.

Go back to when he was an unquestioned Pro Bowler. He played with a mindset that no longer exist. Today, it's as if he plays scared.

In the NFL, you cannot hesitate because it gives the offensive a split second more time. Roy Williams hisitates. Not only that, he doesn't stop the run with the same fire he used too. Roy Williams of today isn't the Roy Williams of a few years ago.

There is a time when you have to cut your losses, and I think that time has arrived. There are better options out there than Williams and I'm not the one to ignore a weakness because I blundered and I hope Jerry isn't either.
 

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nyc;1919187 said:
Listen buddy, I'm not a Roy Williams hater. Sure he has issues in coverage. My issue today is not just his coverage, it's his playing mindset.


I really wish he would do us a favor and retire.
 

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YoMick, the only team I would take off of your list is the Tampa Bay Bucs.

However, I think just about every team in the NFC Conference displayed more passion and heart than the Dallas Cowboys team did as a whole.
 

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nyc;1919187 said:
Listen buddy, I'm not a Roy Williams hater. Sure he has issues in coverage. My issue today is not just his coverage, it's his playing mindset.

Go back to when he was an unquestioned Pro Bowler. He played with a mindset that no longer exist. Today, it's as if he plays scared.

I was down on Atari Bigby all year, because frankly he was terrible and got his butt toasted all day long, but yesterday I couldn't help thinking "That looks like the Roy I used to know."

Tough to see the downfall.

More to the point of the thread, we beat the hell out of all those teams at some point during the season except TB, and we'd have crushed them too. The Cowboys have GOBS more talent than any of those squads. They don't win when it counts because they have no testicles.
 

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mickgreen58;1919194 said:
YoMick, the only team I would take off of your list is the Tampa Bay Bucs.

However, I think just about every team in the NFC Conference displayed more passion and heart than the Dallas Cowboys team did as a whole.


I normally would take a team like that off the list.

But being that we were so susceptible to the dink and dunk for 1st downs(esp. on 3rd & long) I could see Garcia(who already has had alot of success against us) dinkn & dunkn and beating us and sending us home early.
 

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superpunk;1919195 said:
More to the point of the thread, we beat the hell out of all those teams at some point during the season except TB, and we'd have crushed them too. The Cowboys have GOBS more talent than any of those squads. They don't win when it counts because they have no testicles.


Yes I hear ya.

But my thread is about how we were vulnerable down the stretch and more importantly in POST SEASON.
 

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superpunk;1919195 said:
More to the point of the thread, we beat the hell out of all those teams at some point during the season except TB, and we'd have crushed them too. The Cowboys have GOBS more talent than any of those squads. They don't win when it counts because they have no testicles.

Quoted for truth and possible candidate for sig material.

Until this club focuses on the heart or lack their of, of the players on this team, we will continue to struggle late in the season.

It is extremely foolish to think otherwise.
 

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superpunk;1919195 said:
I was down on Atari Bigby all year, because frankly he was terrible and got his butt toasted all day long, but yesterday I couldn't help thinking "That looks like the Roy I used to know."

Tough to see the downfall.

More to the point of the thread, we beat the hell out of all those teams at some point during the season except TB, and we'd have crushed them too. The Cowboys have GOBS more talent than any of those squads. They don't win when it counts because they have no testicles.

Someone send the bolded print to the Cowboys trainning camp next season.
 

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Listen buddy, I'm not a Roy Williams hater. Sure he has issues in coverage. My issue today is not just his coverage, it's his playing mindset.

Go back to when he was an unquestioned Pro Bowler. He played with a mindset that no longer exist. Today, it's as if he plays scared.

In the NFL, you cannot hesitate because it gives the offensive a split second more time. Roy Williams hisitates. Not only that, he doesn't stop the run with the same fire he used too. Roy Williams of today isn't the Roy Williams of a few years ago.

There is a time when you have to cut your losses, and I think that time has arrived. There are better options out there than Williams and I'm not the one to ignore a weakness because I blundered and I hope Jerry isn't either.

I am just speculating, but I wonder how much scrutiny on the steriods issue has affected Roy. A guy doesn't just go from a very physical player to a cream puff unless a) he is getting old, b) he just doesn't care, c) he is not in the same condition.

What ever the cause, our secondary will not be great as long as he continues to play poor in coverage and weak in run support.

Signing Hamlin is crucial right now.
 

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nyc;1919187 said:
Listen buddy, I'm not a Roy Williams hater. Sure he has issues in coverage. My issue today is not just his coverage, it's his playing mindset.

Go back to when he was an unquestioned Pro Bowler. He played with a mindset that no longer exist. Today, it's as if he plays scared.

In the NFL, you cannot hesitate because it gives the offensive a split second more time. Roy Williams hisitates. Not only that, he doesn't stop the run with the same fire he used too. Roy Williams of today isn't the Roy Williams of a few years ago.

There is a time when you have to cut your losses, and I think that time has arrived. There are better options out there than Williams and I'm not the one to ignore a weakness because I blundered and I hope Jerry isn't either.

so who do we get to replace him after we eat the cost of dropping him? does anyone know what his cap hit would be in the coming years to do what the fans clamor for on a multi-time daily basis?
 

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YoMick;1919198 said:
I normally would take a team like that off the list.

But being that we were so susceptible to the dink and dunk for 1st downs(esp. on 3rd & long) I could see Garcia(who already has had alot of success against us) dinkn & dunkn and beating us and sending us home early.

The only flaw in that argument is that the Cowboys defense did not lose the Playoff game for us.

In hindsight, they gave up an absolutely horrible 47 Second TD but it was hardly the proverbial "nail in the coffin" and the Cowboys would eventually take the lead as the game progressed.

They stop the Giants offense in the 4th Quarter and gave Tony Romo a chance to win the game and that is really all you can ask of a defense.
 

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We're not an elite team and that's how it pans out when you're bunched in with several other teams.

To be elite, we need to seperate ourselves talent & coaching wise.
 

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superpunk;1919195 said:
I was down on Atari Bigby all year, because frankly he was terrible and got his butt toasted all day long, but yesterday I couldn't help thinking "That looks like the Roy I used to know."

Tough to see the downfall.

More to the point of the thread, we beat the hell out of all those teams at some point during the season except TB, and we'd have crushed them too. The Cowboys have GOBS more talent than any of those squads. They don't win when it counts because they have no testicles.

atari bigby i've been following since he was drafted cause i'm such an atari freak and thought it funny. he was the whipping boy out there but during the playoffs, he came alive and was a manimal out there. like you, it made me remember when roy williams used to play like that.
 
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