Lets draft Brady Quinn

[dbair1967]

No way Jerry would have taken Spears if they only had one pick. Bill wanted Spears where we took Ware. Jerry overruled and got his guy first. It wouldn't have even been an argument if we only had one pick.

One of the reasons Parcells backed off is because the rest of the personnel people (along with Jerry and Stephen) told them they'd start trying to trade up for Spears (which they were unable to do, then got him anyway)

I firmly believe if there had been only one pick. Parcells would have insisted on Spears rather than giving in.

 

[skinsscalper]

One of the reasons Parcells backed off is because the rest of the personnel people (along with Jerry and Stephen) told them they'd start trying to trade up for Spears (which they were unable to do, then got him anyway)

I firmly believe if there had been only one pick. Parcells would have insisted on Spears rather than giving in.

Sorry bro, but I still don't buy it. Jerry said long ago, even with Bill, that he would take input from his entire staff but he was the ultimate decision maker. When Jerry Jones wants a player he gets his player. Consequences be damned (see Terrel Owens and Roy Williams).

If Jerry would trump Bill on Owens I guaran-damn-tee you he would trump him in the war room if Ware is who Jerry wanted. One draft pick or not.

 

[dbair1967]

Sorry bro, but I still don't buy it. Jerry said long ago, even with Bill, that he would take input from his entire staff but he was the ultimate decision maker. When Jerry Jones wants a player he gets his player. Consequences be damned (see Terrel Owens and Roy Williams).

If Jerry would trump Bill on Owens I guaran-damn-tee you he would trump him in the war room if Ware is who Jerry wanted. One draft pick or not.

Thats fine if you want to believe it, but Parcells made every personnel decision on this team while he was here. He was the real GM. Jones was GM in name only.

 

[Spectre]

I've been pretty much right about all of my prospects through the years.
It's actually a little ridiculous.

Greg Jennings
Roddy White
Ray Rice
Eddie Royal
Jerome Harrison
Drew Brees
Marques Colston
Ahmad Bradshaw
Eddie Royal
Mike Simms-Walker
Trent Cole
Patrick Willis

the list goes on.
some were more longshots than others but I'm just waiting to get paid for my talents.

But much like getting credit for making those calls, that's never going happen.

 

[skinsscalper]

Thats fine if you want to believe it, but Parcells made every personnel decision on this team while he was here. He was the real GM. Jones was GM in name only.

MMMkay so it was Parcells that dialed up Owens then, right? How about Eddie George? Peerless Price? Not a single one of those guys were Bill's idea. They were guys that Jerry "collected" and asked Bill to do something with. The real GM my ***.

Save it dude. Jerry heeded Parcells guidance more than any coach since Jimmy Johnson. That is true. He respected Bill's input and, for the most part, handed Bill whatever he wanted. When what Bill wanted conflicted with what Jerry wanted, Jerry won. Plain and simple. If you think for one minute that Jerry completely handed over the reigns, you're delusional.

 

[dbair1967]

MMMkay so it was Parcells that dialed up Owens then, right? How about Eddie George? Peerless Price? Not a single one of those guys were Bill's idea. They were guys that Jerry "collected" and asked Bill to do something with. The real GM my ***.

Save it dude. Jerry heeded Parcells guidance more than any coach since Jimmy Johnson. That is true. He respected Bill's input and, for the most part, handed Bill whatever he wanted. When what Bill wanted conflicted with what Jerry wanted, Jerry won. Plain and simple. If you think for one minute that Jerry completely handed over the reigns, you're delusional.

Just like your delusional if you think Parcells didnt ok bringing TO here.

It might not have been his idea, but he certainly went along with it. If he didnt want him, he wouldnt have been here.

Parcells ran this team those 4 years, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind about it. He's responsbile for alot of the talent thats on this team today, but he's also responsible for some really dumb moves that clearly Jerry had nothing to do with.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Sorry bro, but I still don't buy it. Jerry said long ago, even with Bill, that he would take input from his entire staff but he was the ultimate decision maker. When Jerry Jones wants a player he gets his player. Consequences be damned (see Terrel Owens and Roy Williams).

If Jerry would trump Bill on Owens I guaran-damn-tee you he would trump him in the war room if Ware is who Jerry wanted. One draft pick or not.

And everytime that was brought up to Bill, he would smile and roll his eyes.

That second pick is the only reason he rolled on Spears. He thought Marcus filled a bigger need and would be a better player than Ware.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

MMMkay so it was Parcells that dialed up Owens then, right? How about Eddie George? Peerless Price? Not a single one of those guys were Bill's idea. They were guys that Jerry "collected" and asked Bill to do something with. The real GM my ***.

Save it dude. Jerry heeded Parcells guidance more than any coach since Jimmy Johnson. That is true. He respected Bill's input and, for the most part, handed Bill whatever he wanted. When what Bill wanted conflicted with what Jerry wanted, Jerry won. Plain and simple. If you think for one minute that Jerry completely handed over the reigns, you're delusional.

Eddie George was a Parcell's move.

No doubt in my mind. He thought he was getting another "Otis Anderson".

So was Bledsoe.

 

[dbair1967]

Eddie George was a Parcell's move.

No doubt in my mind. He thought he was getting another "Otis Anderson".

So was Bledsoe.

So was the Julius Jones deal (which I still dont think was as bad as some make it out to be)...so was Jacob Rogers, so was Bobby Carpenter. So were all the FOB's we signed or traded for.

 

[dstew60105]

I flipped out when we didn't draft him, it was an obvious chance to get an elite running back, instead we traded down to get Julius Jones.

The only redeeming value is that trade turned into DeMarcus Ware.

Actually the Bills pick turned into Marcus Spears...

 

[skinsscalper]

Just like your delusional if you think Parcells didnt ok bringing TO here.

It might not have been his idea, but he certainly went along with it. If he didnt want him, he wouldnt have been here.

Parcells ran this team those 4 years, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind about it. He's responsbile for alot of the talent thats on this team today, but he's also responsible for some really dumb moves that clearly Jerry had nothing to do with.

Who said anything about Parcells O.K.ing anything? Jerry was bringing Owens here, whether Parcells liked it or not. If you don't think so, you're high. Jones made the famous call to Bill before the acquisition to make sure Parcells was "O.K." with it. Bill knew he wasn't going to win so he rubber stamped the process with his "public" approval. Bill's indifference and attitude towards Owens the entire time he was here says all you need to know about how Parcells felt about Owens. And, if it were completely up to Parcells, Owens never would have sniffed Valley Ranch. Does that sound like the real GM pulling the strings there, dude? I'll also guarantee you that the fact Owens was here to begin with was the beginning of the end for the Bill Parcells tenure. Why? Because it was absolutely clear, at that point, that Jerry still called ALL the shots. Still sound like Parcells was the REAL GM? If so, you sorely lack comprehension skills.

You just lost your argument in the first sentence. The REAL GM doesn't need to O.K. someone else's acquisition. He MAKES the acquisition and has his STAFF put the player in a position to succeed.


Yes, Parcells is responsible for alot of the talent that the team has. That wasn't ever a part of the discussion. The fact that you've drifted completely off-topic tells me all I need to know about where you stand in this particular debate.

Thanks for playin.

 

[skinsscalper]

Eddie George was a Parcell's move.

No doubt in my mind. He thought he was getting another "Otis Anderson".

So was Bledsoe.

Bledsoe. Yes. He was a "Parcells Guy" and we needed a starting QB.

George. No. Not even close. I don't even remember where I saw it, but Bill didn't like the George acquisition from the word go. That's why when you got to the part of the operation that Bill completely pulled the strings (the field), Eddie was a non-factor. Completely underused and virtually invisible. Ditto for Peerless Price.

 

[dcfanatic]

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[Rudy]

Spencer had a great game against Philly - Ironically enough, wasn't it Philly that traded picks with Dallas in order for him to be a Cowboy?

 

[skinsscalper]

So was the Julius Jones deal (which I still dont think was as bad as some make it out to be)...so was Jacob Rogers, so was Bobby Carpenter. So were all the FOB's we signed or traded for.

I never argued that any of these players weren't Bill's idea. It's the blueprint for every team he's ever gone to post-Giants.

My argument is that Jerry gets what Jerry wants if it conflicts with what someone else wants. EVERY SINGLE TIME. That's why he always has been and always will be the REAL GM. Get over it.

Your straw man does nothing to support your previous, ridiculous claim.

 

[Big Country]

Wait, lets not... since we have a future hall of fame quarterback.

How come no one ate crow on this one?



I was definitely right about Steven Jackson.

I was right about Vince Wilfork. I was also right about Tony Brackens back in the day... sigh, oh to go back and un-draft

 

[Cowboy Brian]

That's a seriously redeeming value!

Ware > Steven Jackson and ten #1 overall picks from 2010-2020.

 

[dbair1967]

Who said anything about Parcells O.K.ing anything? Jerry was bringing Owens here, whether Parcells liked it or not. If you don't think so, you're high. Jones made the famous call to Bill before the acquisition to make sure Parcells was "O.K." with it. Bill knew he wasn't going to win so he rubber stamped the process with his "public" approval. Bill's indifference and attitude towards Owens the entire time he was here says all you need to know about how Parcells felt about Owens. And, if it were completely up to Parcells, Owens never would have sniffed Valley Ranch. Does that sound like the real GM pulling the strings there, dude? I'll also guarantee you that the fact Owens was here to begin with was the beginning of the end for the Bill Parcells tenure. Why? Because it was absolutely clear, at that point, that Jerry still called ALL the shots. Still sound like Parcells was the REAL GM? If so, you sorely lack comprehension skills.

You just lost your argument in the first sentence. The REAL GM doesn't need to O.K. someone else's acquisition. He MAKES the acquisition and has his STAFF put the player in a position to succeed.


Yes, Parcells is responsible for alot of the talent that the team has. That wasn't ever a part of the discussion. The fact that you've drifted completely off-topic tells me all I need to know about where you stand in this particular debate.

Thanks for playin.

ok...whatever

 

[DeaconBlues]

I never argued that any of these players weren't Bill's idea. It's the blueprint for every team he's ever gone to post-Giants.

My argument is that Jerry gets what Jerry wants if it conflicts with what someone else wants. EVERY SINGLE TIME. That's why he always has been and always will be the REAL GM. Get over it.

Your straw man does nothing to support your previous, ridiculous claim.

So, in your world, Parcells OK'd every personnel move and draft pick, but the one first rounder he wanted, Jerry overruled him. Every single move but one.

OK.

Oh, and Parcells agreed to bring George and TO in. Nice revisionism.

 

[skinsscalper]

ok...whatever

That's what I thought.