Let's get this Jerry thing right out in the open

[BHendri5]

can go all day back and forth with STSINAZ about this, but I won't because it would be ridiculous to do so over the internet, in person it would be a blast to talk Cowboys with anyone, that loves the team as I do. I have been a fan for 42yrs.

In my book, Jerry is the number 1 owner and his rating for GM at 13, I agree with that.

People can give Jimmy all the credit, but he still could not make a move without Jerry's okay, same was with Parcells.

Plus Parcells drafts was not all that great over the past 4yrs. He has only about 1 or 2 people in the NFL from his first Cowboys draft, none from his second, and only about 2/3 from his third, his 4th everyone is playing and contributing here with the Cowboys.

But Parcells draft did not get better until the arrival of Jeff Ireland, whom Parcells told Jerry to hire after New England, or the Jets let him go.

Ireland and Parcells had worked together in New England and with the Jets.
If I am not mistaken, if I am wrong please correct me on any of this.

I looked back at the past drafts by Parcells, and they were not good until Ireland arrived.

Now answer this, who was the Gm for the Patriots in 2000, and 2001/02?


personally, i did not want parcells, and i'm glad he's gone

 

[Royal Laegotti]

In my book, Jerry is the number 1 owner and his rating for GM at 13, I agree with that.

Whoever rated Jerry at #13 GM was either getting paid under the table by Jerry to write that or was on meth that day. I mean come on.

People can give Jimmy all the credit, but he still could not make a move without Jerry's okay, same was with Parcells.

Jimmy SHOULD get ALL the credit, isn't that what a typical good owner does is OK what the football people want to do, because that's what they pay them to do. Jerry was a good owner in the early years until his head swelled and then he got it covered with plastic.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Let's find out who knows football and who is a homer! BleuStar-homer

The hate for jones as a GM goes like this....for 10 years he put our team in such a disarray, it took parcells 4 years just to get us out of it! and we are still not there! what did jones do? he only overpaid for one of the biggest busts in recent history...he overpaid for a one year wonder in gurode...he overpaid for brad johnson...who is finished...all jerry does is overpay...he overpaid for rivera,,he was done...he overpaid for henry in my opinion. He hasnt done much but be injured. He overpaid for Roy Williams and now we couldnt get rid of him if we tried! He brought in a player that ran out Parcells! The question is what has he done that has been smart in the last 10 years....and dont get me started on the drafts the last 10 years before parcells got here. Dont get me started on the Galloway trade! Come on man I cant even believe you just made that statement bleustar!?????????????? Do you know anything about football?

So this is what I will say about Jerry. The two things he does consistently.

He latches onto a player, or a theory about a player and nothing gets in his way to stop him from getting him. I.E. Quincy Carter, Tony Dixon. Carver, Ekuban....should I stop now?

He also overpays for mediocre players. Those are the two things he does consistently. If that wins a championship then so be it! LOL....it never will. Bleu Star you need to take out what Bill has done the past 4 years and then look at our team. Dont look at what BP did in talent acquistions and mix it in with the stupid mistakes Jerry has made and say that Jerry is a God.....what a joke...I mean look at all the mistakes Jerry made the past 4 years....Wiley, Price, Anthony Thomas, TO...the list goes on. The thing about it is this. Almost everything that Jerry does individually from a GM standpoint with no help he screws up. You need to face that. He wants to know what to do but he just doesnt and that's the truth. I wish it wasnt so but it is. The only thing he has done right in the past 4 years is hire Parcells and semi-get out of the way.

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[skinsscalper]

Let's find out who knows football and who is a homer! BleuStar-homer

The hate for jones as a GM goes like this....for 10 years he put our team in such a disarray, it took parcells 4 years just to get us out of it! and we are still not there! what did jones do? he only overpaid for one of the biggest busts in recent history...he overpaid for a one year wonder in gurode...he overpaid for brad johnson...who is finished...all jerry does is overpay...he overpaid for rivera,,he was done...he overpaid for henry in my opinion. He hasnt done much but be injured. He overpaid for Roy Williams and now we couldnt get rid of him if we tried! He brought in a player that ran out Parcells! The question is what has he done that has been smart in the last 10 years....and dont get me started on the drafts the last 10 years before parcells got here. Dont get me started on the Galloway trade! Come on man I cant even believe you just made that statement bleustar!?????????????? Do you know anything about football?

So this is what I will say about Jerry. The two things he does consistently.

He latches onto a player, or a theory about a player and nothing gets in his way to stop him from getting him. I.E. Quincy Carter, Tony Dixon. Carver, Ekuban....should I stop now?

He also overpays for mediocre players. Those are the two things he does consistently. If that wins a championship then so be it! LOL....it never will. Bleu Star you need to take out what Bill has done the past 4 years and then look at our team. Dont look at what BP did in talent acquistions and mix it in with the stupid mistakes Jerry has made and say that Jerry is a God.....what a joke...I mean look at all the mistakes Jerry made the past 4 years....Wiley, Price, Anthony Thomas, TO...the list goes on. The thing about it is this. Almost everything that Jerry does individually from a GM standpoint with no help he screws up. You need to face that. He wants to know what to do but he just doesnt and that's the truth. I wish it wasnt so but it is. The only thing he has done right in the past 4 years is hire Parcells and semi-get out of the way.

spoken like someone who knows what he is talking about...seriously to the other guys...i really want to discuss this...have been a fan for 30 years too...i love the team...i dont like what jerry has done...am I hopeful he learned a few things from parcells...Yes...will it happen...i dont know...let's go ahead and look at jerry's history...you guys that want to call me a troll are either under 16 years old and dont know what he has done, have only been a fan for a few years...or just truthfully know he hasnt done a good job, are too much of a homer and cant see it...or just dont care...

I mean Jerry made like 50 mistakes after Jimmy Johnson, there are so many I cant name them all but here are the highlights. Can anyone really defend them with a sane mind?

Trades two draft picks for Joey Galloway. One of them turns out to be the MVP of the league. Since Jerry didnt anticipate getting a true replacement for Troy, Galloway becomes of no value!

Quincy Carter - not only does jerry want this guy, he reaches for him in the 2nd round! This guy was terrible....It took Big Bill to get anything out of him...the fact that we reached the playoffs with him and Hambrick tells the whole story about how good BP was.....

Jerry reaches for Tony Dixon in that same draft...I think we could have gotten Kendrell Bell instead of Quincy and a few other big names instead of dixon...by the way...dixon...out of the league along with Quincy...he was terrible...

Jerry chooses Ekuban and Carver in the 1st round...both of them were terrible....enough said on that...

I think when Bill got here we only had like two 1st round picks on our team that were still in the league from the previous 10 years...what does that tell you?

What about him getting, and this was verified:

Eddie George
Anthony Thomas
Peerless Price
M. Wiley

all washed up players....

and now what has he done this year?

Gave 18 mill up front to a player that is overrated....the most ever by the way
Gave 10 mill to a one year wonder that we dont know about...lazy in the past
Gave a washed up QB 3.5 up front...
Says we have a FS on the team to go to? come on man just go and get one...why wont they do it? Roy cant cover...also what about jerry giving roy 11 mill last year and he went lazier on us? bradie james...used to be my boy...all that money...both of them cant cover...too big to cover...whatever...

jerry did go smart on one deal...columbo...thats it..the old jerry would have gave him 5 years 20 million....

Yes, that Jerry Jones is a fool isn't he? I mean the mighty Jimmy Johnson was the sole architect of a dominant 90's football team. Jerry hasn't done squat since then. Come to think of it, Jimmy hasn't either. In fact Jimmy was such a master-mind that he lead the Dolphins to the worst play-off loss in Miami's history and slithered away with his tail between his legs realizing that he didn't have what it takes to GM/coach in the free agency age of football. All the while failing to even sniff the success tha the had in Dallas. Jimmy was behind the greatest train robbery in the history of the NFL with the Walker trade. I'm sure Jerry just checked out the whole time and received daily updates on the team's progress. Because that's just how he rolls, dog.

Let's keep it real. The NFL is cyclical. So many things have to fall in place at exactly the right time for success to come to fruition. You really think that the Pats Knew that Tom Brady would be the second coming of Joe Montana? If so he would have been pciked #1 overall, not in the 6th round.

So Jerry Jones overpaid for Gurode, huh. Maybe you should take off the idiot shades and look at some of the contract #'s that were thrown out there this off-season. Gurode is a Pro-Bowl caliber C that we got for a pittance compared to what some of these guys got. If Jerry was truly "stupid" he would have let Gurode hit the market. How much do you think it would have cost us then, brainchild? Then say we decide not to re-sign him at the new "market value", then what? I'm sure you've got it all figured out so enlighten us.

As for the Galloway trade, I was never a proponent, but let's look at where we were. Troy was in the twilight of his career and still had something left in the tank. We weren't light years away from being competitive. We'd lost Irvin and needed a legitimate #1 receiver. 2 #1's a high price to pay? Absolutely. Too much? In hindsight, yes. But the whole point is being missed. Jerry was doing all he could to give Troy that "missing peice". In fact, Aikman, himself, was on the phone constantly with Galloway's agent (Lee Steinberg) telling him to "get it done".

With that 1st draft pick the Seahawks took Shaun Alexander. Guess what genuis? We weren't going to draft a RB. Not that high. So by foregoing Alexander we missed out on: Stockar McDougal, Sylvester Morris, Chris Mcintosh, Rashard Anderson, Ahmed Plummer, Chris Hovan, Erik Flowers, Anthony Becht, Rob Morris, R. Jay Soward, Keith Bullock and Trung Candidate. All of which, I'm sure, would still be on the team and making a solid contribution. As for other teams that passed on Alexander, well there were 18 of them. Three of which took RBs (Baltimore-Jamal Lewis, Arizona-Thomas Jones, NY Giants-Ron Dayne,). I mean really,the writing was all over the wall with Alexander.

The second 1st rounder is the one that hurt. There were many players that were selected AFTER Dallas' (original) slot, but the only players that were rated to take in THAT slot were Andre Carter (selected by SF two picks ahead of our slot), David Terrell (taken one pick ahead of ours), Koren Robinson (whom the Seahawks took with our pick, and is most likely out of football for good), Jamal Reynolds (who flopped with Green Bay), and Dan Morgan (who, though solid has been oft injured and is on the brink of being concussed out of the league). Hindsight is a curious thing. Used selectively it can be manipulated to illustrate almost any point. But, when you widen the veiw an absolute truth becomes more of an instance of circumstance rather than the overall point. In summary what we REALLY gave up in the Galloway trade was RB that weren't going to take anyway and a WR that has drank himself out of the league.

Qunicy Carter. Now here's an interesting bit. It's funny that Carter actually blossomed under Parcells, isn't it? Forget the smoke and mirrors act of Jerry and Co. that Q was released due to a lack of performance. The guy was drug tested (illegally) by the team and was cut due to it's results. The fact is that Carter, indeed, had the talent. What he lacked was decision making skills (in hindsight, both on and off the field). Parcells tapped into Carter and made something of the kid. He cut down on mental mistakes and started making decisions that were more closely matched to his athletic ability. Yet, Jerry was an idiot for taking a no talent kid. A no talent kid that led the Cowboys to their first playoff appearance since 96. Speaking of Bill's "marvelous" coaching job that year, isn't it funny that in the 3 years following he took "his own team" only as far as he took Jerry's team in the first one. Yeah that Jerry Jones is an idiot.

And while we are on the talent aquisition tangent, I wonder how Jacobs and Peterman are working out? Wait a minute, scratch that. Weren't those Bill Parcells' picks by the way? As far as Wiley, George, Thomas and Price, Parcells was on board with EVERY SINGLE ONE of them. And masterminded the aquisitions of Boiman, Fabini, (Marcus) Coleman, Fujita, Dinopoli, Hannam, Parrish, and Shanle. All of which are out of the league or with another team (a few of which never even saw the field).

Is the Cowboys team more stocked with talent since Parcells' arrival? Without a doubt. But to say that he didn't make any of, what you might call, "Jerry-like" blunders is preposterous. I mean, hell, one of Jerry's second round picks (Carter) found the playoffs, Bill's (Jacobs) barely even sniffed the field.

You hit the nail right on the head with that last quote: "Jerry did go smart on one deal......Colombo.......the old jerry would have given him 5 years 20 million". The OLD JERRY might have. This is the new Jerry. The Jerry that has learned a thing or two about a thing or two since Parcells came on board. You might think that Jerry overpaid for Davis without taking into account that he got a deal similar to what two other players in FA got. The difference between Davis and those other players? Davis can actually play more than one position. In fact, he plays them all with the exception of Center. If anything, Jones made the best decision of all. The Bills and Browns? Well they got a guard. Jones and the Cowboys? They got depth along the entire O-line (sans center). That Jones sure is an idiot.

Tell ya what, since Jones is such an idiot, why don'tyou just jump on over to the fan base of some of these other teams with GMs that are doing their best to compete. Cardinals, maybe? Or hey, what about the Browns? Oh, wait I've got it, the TEXANS! Yeah, that's it the Texans! Take a whiff of some REAL idiot GM work and THEN come back here and cry like a whiny *****. For most of us, we'll take a guy who's EVERY move (right or wrong) is about trying to win another championship. I'll take that anyday over what some of these other teams are doing.

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[skinsscalper]

Then WHY did all those blunders that STSINAZ mentioned is his orig. post happen after Jimmy left and why didn't blunders like that happen while Jimmy was here, just a thought provoking ?? Trying to help you GET IT!

Why don't you help the rest of us "GET" why Jimmy couldn't sniff the same success without Jerry. In fact, the ONLY thing Jimmy accomplished was the worst defeat in Miami's playoff history (after which he promptly disappeared with his tail between his legs). That door swings both ways, brainchild.

SS

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Why don't you help the rest of us "GET" why Jimmy couldn't sniff the same success without Jerry. In fact, the ONLY thing Jimmy accomplished was the worst defeat in Miami's playoff history (after which he promptly disappeared with his tail between his legs). That door swings both ways, brainchild.

SS

Perhaps the ole Jimster didn't have the same power in Miami that Jerry smartly let him have in Dallas, which is about the only smart thing Jerry has done. I seem to remember that Jimmy couldn't get rid of a washed up, egotistical Dan Marino, which pretty much was the main problem he had with the Dolphins. But atleast their are still some of Jimmy's players on that Dolphins team from 7,8 years ago, is there anyone left on the Cowboys that were drafted in '00 or '01, if not then how pathetic is that, but I'm sure you'll find some lame excuse for Jerry. Go read my other post on this thread and let this amazing thing called logic seep into your skull, then maybe you'll GET IT, but i doubt you will, types like you can't help it you just can't disagree with anything your favorite team does because you might "feel" unfaithful to that team. I think you scalped yourself too close onetime there braindeadchild. But thanks for playing. I can't wait to read your futile rebuttal about how "BRILLIANT" Jerry is and how he's the "BEST" general manager in the NFL.

 

[STSINAZ]

you guys keep riding on the jerrah jones bus....see where it takes you...he will destroy this franchise...in say...about 5 years...let's hope by then we have won a championship!

 

[Royal Laegotti]

you guys keep riding on the jerrah jones bus....see where it takes you...he will destroy this franchise...in say...about 5 years...let's hope by then we have won a championship!

He's already pretty much destroyed the franchise, but for some strange reason I still have some hope left that maybe Jerry will get sick of this team being stuck in a medeocre mud hole and change his ways. I don't see this team winning a Superbowl in the next 5 years, heck I think the 49ers have a better chance to win a 6th before us, they look to be headed in the right direction, we'll just be stuck with Jethro and his Jethro Bowl in Arlington.


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[skinsscalper]

Perhaps the ole Jimster didn't have the same power in Miami that Jerry smartly let him have in Dallas, which is about the only smart thing Jerry has done. I seem to remember that Jimmy couldn't get rid of a washed up, egotistical Dan Marino, which pretty much was the main problem he had with the Dolphins. But atleast their are still some of Jimmy's players on that Dolphins team from 7,8 years ago, is there anyone left on the Cowboys that were drafted in '00 or '01, if not then how pathetic is that, but I'm sure you'll find some lame excuse for Jerry. Go read my other post on this thread and let this amazing thing called logic seep into your skull, then maybe you'll GET IT, but i doubt you will, types like you can't help it you just can't disagree with anything your favorite team does because you might "feel" unfaithful to that team. I think you scalped yourself too close onetime there braindeadchild. But thanks for playing. I can't wait to read your futile rebuttal about how "BRILLIANT" Jerry is and how he's the "BEST" general manager in the NFL.

Do a little research dumb****. Jimmy was the coach AND GM in Miami from 1996 on. Don't rely on "perhaps" and try to actually inform yourself when you decide to debate. You won't look like such a ******. By the way Jimmy coached and GM'd the Dolpins to a 26-21 record. IMPRESSIVE! And, you are correct, there are some players that Jimmy drafted that are still playing (most notably Thomas and Taylor)> there are also somethat people never did hear from (Yatil Green and John Avery-you remember, the next Emmitt Smith).

I don't think Jerry is the best GM in football. That title goes to Pioli. But he's better than ALOT of GMs that are being paid big bucks. Blindly hate all you want. You're welcome to show yourself the door and root for someone else. You won't be missed chicken little.

As for the "Brilliant" tag. Well, there's already been a couple of brilliant moves made by Jerry and Co. The first was taking care of Gurode before he hit an inflated market. Ditto on the Colombo deal and not giving into his demands for an inflated contract. Go ahead and check off McBriar (the highest averaging punter since the 60's), too.

Hate all you want, princess, but three of those 5 Super Bowls you seem to bandy about in your screen name came from the Jerry Jones regime.

"Thanks for playin'" What are you, like 11? Here's a little clue for ya there, Mr. Wizard: people stopped using that overdone phrase back in like 1999. Try and keep up.

SS

 

[Bleu Star]

"Thanks for playin'" What are you, like 11? Here's a little clue for ya there, Mr. Wizard: people stopped using that overdone phrase back in like 1999. Try and keep up.

 

[STSINAZ]

jimmy was handicapped with marino...if he could have gotten a real qb things would have been different down there

 

[STSINAZ]

Do a little research dumb****. Jimmy was the coach AND GM in Miami from 1996 on. Don't rely on "perhaps" and try to actually inform yourself when you decide to debate. You won't look like such a ******. By the way Jimmy coached and GM'd the Dolpins to a 26-21 record. IMPRESSIVE! And, you are correct, there are some players that Jimmy drafted that are still playing (most notably Thomas and Taylor)> there are also somethat people never did hear from (Yatil Green and John Avery-you remember, the next Emmitt Smith).

I don't think Jerry is the best GM in football. That title goes to Pioli. But he's better than ALOT of GMs that are being paid big bucks. Blindly hate all you want. You're welcome to show yourself the door and root for someone else. You won't be missed chicken little.

As for the "Brilliant" tag. Well, there's already been a couple of brilliant moves made by Jerry and Co. The first was taking care of Gurode before he hit an inflated market. Ditto on the Colombo deal and not giving into his demands for an inflated contract. Go ahead and check off McBriar (the highest averaging punter since the 60's), too.

Hate all you want, princess, but three of those 5 Super Bowls you seem to bandy about in your screen name came from the Jerry Jones regime.

"Thanks for playin'" What are you, like 11? Here's a little clue for ya there, Mr. Wizard: people stopped using that overdone phrase back in like 1999. Try and keep up.

SS

HOMERISM AT ITS FINEST

 

[BigDFan5]

The stupid is strong in this thread

 

[Zen]

Old wrinkly sucks.

 

[burmafrd]

Lets see in his first draft BP got Newman and Witten, I would say that that by itself was a better draft then virtually every one Jerry did.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Do a little research dumb****. Jimmy was the coach AND GM in Miami from 1996 on. Don't rely on "perhaps" and try to actually inform yourself when you decide to debate. You won't look like such a ******. By the way Jimmy coached and GM'd the Dolpins to a 26-21 record. IMPRESSIVE! And, you are correct, there are some players that Jimmy drafted that are still playing (most notably Thomas and Taylor)> there are also somethat people never did hear from (Yatil Green and John Avery-you remember, the next Emmitt Smith).

I don't think Jerry is the best GM in football. That title goes to Pioli. But he's better than ALOT of GMs that are being paid big bucks. Blindly hate all you want. You're welcome to show yourself the door and root for someone else. You won't be missed chicken little.

As for the "Brilliant" tag. Well, there's already been a couple of brilliant moves made by Jerry and Co. The first was taking care of Gurode before he hit an inflated market. Ditto on the Colombo deal and not giving into his demands for an inflated contract. Go ahead and check off McBriar (the highest averaging punter since the 60's), too.

Hate all you want, princess, but three of those 5 Super Bowls you seem to bandy about in your screen name came from the Jerry Jones regime.

"Thanks for playin'" What are you, like 11? Here's a little clue for ya there, Mr. Wizard: people stopped using that overdone phrase back in like 1999. Try and keep up.

SS

Well if I'm 11 then I have a whole lot better idea of a good GM than you, so you got lot'sa cred , more like lotsa crud. "He's better than ALOT of GMs that are being payed big bucks". Other than Matt Millen or whoever GMs the Cards and Senile Al, WHO is Jerry better than Snyder. News flash that's not alot, I'm sure you will attempt to stretch one though.

I just love how you blind little sheep love to bash Jimmy based on his time at Miami. You act as if he couldn't wipe his own butt without Jerry. GET A CLUE, pull your head outta Jerry's butt, do you really think we'd have 3 more SBs without the work Jimmy did, wait, let me guess, I bet you do, because Jerry said any one of 500 coaches could coach that team. He said that in '94 right before the hiring of Switzer, then they lost the NFC Title game, so I guess that makes Barry the 501st.

While these moves were decent. You think resigning Gurode, Columbo, and McBriar were BRILLIANT yeah I'm sure Scott Pioli's blown away by those moves, so much so that he didn't even attempt to sign any of them, and why is that, maybe because he's already drafted better O-linemen who have lasted longer than a training camp or two or are not career underachievers. I'm sure other GMs in the league are real envious of Jethro over those moves, throw Davis in that too.

No, BRILLIANT was the Walker trade, the Haley trade which Jimmy orchestrated. That's BRILLIANT. Here's Jerry's BRILLIANCE: Joey Galloway trade, Quincy in the 2nd round, those are jokes that so many of the OTHER GMs in the league, that Jerry is supposed to be better than according to you, were rolling on the floor laughing at. So consider yourself whooped by this 11 year old, oh....and thanks for playin'.












P.S. I don't think you'll be doin' too much skinsscalpin' with Jerry as you're GM in the future, OH my bad, that's the only team GM Jethro could consistantly beat in his BRILLIANT GM tenure. Everything else is calculated medeocrity.

 

[the kid 05]

Do a little research dumb****. Jimmy was the coach AND GM in Miami from 1996 on. Don't rely on "perhaps" and try to actually inform yourself when you decide to debate. You won't look like such a ******. By the way Jimmy coached and GM'd the Dolpins to a 26-21 record. IMPRESSIVE! And, you are correct, there are some players that Jimmy drafted that are still playing (most notably Thomas and Taylor)> there are also somethat people never did hear from (Yatil Green and John Avery-you remember, the next Emmitt Smith).

I don't think Jerry is the best GM in football. That title goes to Pioli. But he's better than ALOT of GMs that are being paid big bucks. Blindly hate all you want. You're welcome to show yourself the door and root for someone else. You won't be missed chicken little.

As for the "Brilliant" tag. Well, there's already been a couple of brilliant moves made by Jerry and Co. The first was taking care of Gurode before he hit an inflated market. Ditto on the Colombo deal and not giving into his demands for an inflated contract. Go ahead and check off McBriar (the highest averaging punter since the 60's), too.

Hate all you want, princess, but three of those 5 Super Bowls you seem to bandy about in your screen name came from the Jerry Jones regime.

"Thanks for playin'" What are you, like 11? Here's a little clue for ya there, Mr. Wizard: people stopped using that overdone phrase back in like 1999. Try and keep up.

SS

looks like your a troll scalper too.

 

[silverbear]

lets have an educated DISCUSSION about this....

I would, but in order for me to have an educated discussion with someone, that someone first has to be educated himself...

Unfortunately, your rep on this (and every other Cowboys board I've seen you haunt) does not support the theory that you are indeed educated...

IOW, you are now being victimized by the reputation you've given yourself...

 

[silverbear]

I get things done in my own personal life

You mean, like making the name STSINAZ more or less a JOKE??

 

[silverbear]

come on guys...jimmy built the team...lets get serious

This is precisely why your rep is so lousy in here...