Let's get this Jerry thing right out in the open

[zrinkill]

He won a national title at DA U, without Jerry. Is that what you were lookin' for. SO HE DID WIN IN MIAMI. HA! HA! HA!

And Jerry won a Superbowl .....so Ha Ha?

 

[Royal Laegotti]

And Jerry won a Superbowl .....so Ha Ha?

Yep and I hope he sent Jimmy a superbowl ring for building that team for him to.

 

[zrinkill]

Yep and I hope he sent Jimmy a superbowl ring for building that team for him to.

Like the best record Bill Parcells had with this team was when he used Campo's team?

You guys are great.

 

[zrinkill]

Jerry Jones has made a number of high-profile personnel moves since he bought the Cowboys in February 1989:



February 1989: Mr. Jones dismisses head coach Tom Landry, hires Jimmy Johnson from the University of Miami.
October 1989: Mr. Jones trades running back Herschel Walker in a blockbuster deal to Minnesota for multiple players and draft choices. Emmitt Smith is taken with one of those draft picks.
August 1992: Mr. Jones acquires Charles Haley from the San Francisco 49ers.
March 1994: Mr. Jones hires former University of Oklahoma head coach Barry Switzer a day after Mr. Johnson stepped down as the Cowboys' coach.
September 1995: Mr. Jones outbids other teams, signs free-agent cornerback Deion Sanders to a seven-year, $35 million contract.
January 2003: Mr. Jones hires Bill Parcells as head coach. The high-profile coach with two Super Bowl rings had been doing broadcasting work.
March 2006: Mr. Jones signs wide receiver Terrell Owens to a three-year, $25 million contract.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Jerry Jones has made a number of high-profile personnel moves since he bought the Cowboys in February 1989:



February 1989: Mr. Jones dismisses head coach Tom Landry, hires Jimmy Johnson from the University of Miami.
October 1989: Mr. Jones trades running back Herschel Walker in a blockbuster deal to Minnesota for multiple players and draft choices. Emmitt Smith is taken with one of those draft picks.
August 1992: Mr. Jones acquires Charles Haley from the San Francisco 49ers.
March 1994: Mr. Jones hires former University of Oklahoma head coach Barry Switzer a day after Mr. Johnson stepped down as the Cowboys' coach.
September 1995: Mr. Jones outbids other teams, signs free-agent cornerback Deion Sanders to a seven-year, $35 million contract.
January 2003: Mr. Jones hires Bill Parcells as head coach. The high-profile coach with two Super Bowl rings had been doing broadcasting work.
March 2006: Mr. Jones signs wide receiver Terrell Owens to a three-year, $25 million contract.

Funny how those brilliant trades stopped happening when Jimmy was escorted out. Now I do believe at that point in time Jerry had to sign Deion, just to get him away from the 49ers and to fill in for Kevin Smith after his achilles injury, so that was a good signing, but it was also a no-brainer.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Funny how those brilliant trades stopped happening when Jimmy was escorted out. Now I do believe at that point in time Jerry had to sign Deion, just to get him away from the 49ers and to fill in for Kevin Smith after his achilles injury, so that was a good signing, but it was also a no-brainer.

Getting Deion a year sooner would have been even better

 

[zrinkill]

Funny how those brilliant trades stopped happening when Jimmy was escorted out. Now I do believe at that point in time Jerry had to sign Deion, just to get him away from the 49ers and to fill in for Kevin Smith after his achilles injury, so that was a good signing, but it was also a no-brainer.

Yea it was all Jimmy ...... has nothing to do with the start of free agency and all the salary cap probs we got in winning those 3 Superbowls.

If Jimmy was the Trade Guru ....... where was the big trades in Miami that won him a superbowl? Oh yea ......

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Getting Deion a year sooner would have been even better

Yeah really. When the 49ers signed him that year I couldn't believe Jerry let them do that, and they only paid him $1 million, so we could've got our 3-peat and Jerry could've saved $47 million. Jerry doesn't use very good forethought, as soon as he heard that the 49ers were lookin' to do a 1 year deal with Deion, Jerry should've been buggin' Deion to death.

 

[jrumann59]

I think the last 11 years of pretty much suckage by our standards is pretty much factual. After throwing in all the nook and cranny arguements, Jerry's still the head honcho in this post Jimmy era and it has shown, ever so painfully.

Dave Campo's last year was the bottom. All those years of paying over the hill under performing FA's. All the Cap hell this team went thru with Aikman, sanders, and Irvin still on the books. I actually do not count 7 of the 11 years because JJ relied on people around him telling him that he was only couple of players away from a SB. Once he realized the whole thing needed to be tore down and rebuilt he brought in BP. Did BP underacheive, yeah but are we better off then we were whne Campo was fired, definitely by leaps and bounds. What you are doing is trying to blame one person that is running a BUSINESS. is JJ a good GM maybe has he had questionable transactions yes. It could be worsewe could have the Bidwells, Al Davis, Arthur Blank, Huziengas, Matt Millen, The browns GM, the Commanders GM, The Texans GM. There isn't one GM in the league that hasn't missed on draft picks the biggest difference Dallas is always under the microscope. Now if Jerry gets us back to the SB can we all heap the praise on him not the coach.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Yea it was all Jimmy ...... has nothing to do with the start of free agency and all the salary cap probs we got in winning those 3 Superbowls.

If Jimmy was the Trade Guru ....... where was the big trades in Miami that won him a superbowl? Oh yea ......

Why is it that the 49ers and other teams could manage the cap and remain competitive but not the Jerry Jones Cowboys. And tell me this, how is New England doing in this salary cap era, seems they've won more Superbowls than any other team, maybe it's because they have people running the team that have a clue. And our team can't even sniff a NFC title game.

 

[BigDFan5]

Why is it that the 49ers and other teams could manage the cap and remain competitive but not the Jerry Jones Cowboys. And tell me this, how is New England doing in this salary cap era, seems they've won more Superbowls than any other team, maybe it's because they have people running the team that have a clue. And our team can't even sniff a NFC title game.

or could it be that they didnt have 2 of their big money superstars get injured and retire in a couple year period which accelerated millions of dollars into our cap leaving us paying out the *** for players no longer able to play.

Also the reason there have been no more walker trades by Jerry is because the NFL is not as stupid with picks now as it was in the 90s. Notice NO team makes trades like that. Picks are seen as more valuable now because JERRY fleeced the vikings and everybody saw how it turned out for us

 

[jrumann59]

Why is it that the 49ers and other teams could manage the cap and remain competitive but not the Jerry Jones Cowboys. And tell me this, how is New England doing in this salary cap era, seems they've won more Superbowls than any other team, maybe it's because they have people running the team that have a clue. And our team can't even sniff a NFC title game.

What are you smokin dude they haven't won a SB in like 3 years and there is hardly anyone left from those teams except Brady. Remember the cowboys remained somewhat competitive until 1999 season. New England has kept their nucleus togetherbut theya re couple players away from being anything special that is why they are rumored to be after Randy moss. Also if you remember, before brady the Pats were usually jokes in their own division. The pats are at where the cowboys were in the late 90's just not in cap hell becuase they don't pay anyone anything.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Dave Campo's last year was the bottom. All those years of paying over the hill under performing FA's. All the Cap hell this team went thru with Aikman, sanders, and Irvin still on the books. I actually do not count 7 of the 11 years because JJ relied on people around him telling him that he was only couple of players away from a SB. Once he realized the whole thing needed to be tore down and rebuilt he brought in BP. Did BP underacheive, yeah but are we better off then we were whne Campo was fired, definitely by leaps and bounds. What you are doing is trying to blame one person that is running a BUSINESS. is JJ a good GM maybe has he had questionable transactions yes. It could be worsewe could have the Bidwells, Al Davis, Arthur Blank, Huziengas, Matt Millen, The browns GM, the Commanders GM, The Texans GM. There isn't one GM in the league that hasn't missed on draft picks the biggest difference Dallas is always under the microscope. Now if Jerry gets us back to the SB can we all heap the praise on him not the coach.

Many of those GMs you mention, atleast they have won a playoff game since we have. Come on Arizona hadn't won a playoff game since shortly after creation and they beat Jerry Jones' Cowboys in a playoff game, Jerry should've quit right there.

 

[zrinkill]

Why is it that the 49ers and other teams could manage the cap and remain competitive but not the Jerry Jones Cowboys. And tell me this, how is New England doing in this salary cap era, seems they've won more Superbowls than any other team, maybe it's because they have people running the team that have a clue. And our team can't even sniff a NFC title game.

49'rs remained competitive? We won a Superbowl since they have.

Niner's record last 4 years

7-9
2-14
4-12
7-9


New England is in the same place now that we were in the late 90's ...... its been 2 seasons since they won a Superbowl .....

What was your point again?

 

[zrinkill]

Many of those GMs you mention, atleast they have won a playoff game since we have.

How many have won a Superbowl since we did? Or is winning a playoff game the ultimate goal?

 

[Royal Laegotti]

What are you smokin dude they haven't won a SB in like 3 years and there is hardly anyone left from those teams except Brady. Remember the cowboys remained somewhat competitive until 1999 season. New England has kept their nucleus togetherbut theya re couple players away from being anything special that is why they are rumored to be after Randy moss. Also if you remember, before brady the Pats were usually jokes in their own division. The pats are at where the cowboys were in the late 90's just not in cap hell becuase they don't pay anyone anything.

They won SB 39 which was 2 years ago, you make it sound like that's sooooo long ago, and they barely lost the AFC title game this year. If there is hardly anyone left from those NE SB teams then that shows that they have excellent management and coaching to be able to keep them in the thick of the SB contenders, like you said they are a couple players away.

And yes I remember what the Pats used to be, a joke, which is what the Cowboys have been with Jerry calling the shots. Maybe it's you who's smokin' stuff.

 

[zrinkill]

how is New England doing in this salary cap era, seems they've won more Superbowls than any other team, maybe it's because they have people running the team that have a clue.

In their Dynasty years

Cowboys ......Pats
1991 11-5 ....2001 11-5
1992 13-3 ....2002 9-7
1993 12-4 ....2003 14-2
1994 12-4 ....2004 14-2
1995 12-4 ....2005 10-6
1996 10-6 ....2006 12-4
3 SB's ..........3 SB's


In their Runs they did basically the same thing ..... lets see what happens now that the Pats are aging

 

[Royal Laegotti]

49'rs remained competitive? We won a Superbowl since they have.

Niner's record last 4 years

7-9
2-14
4-12
7-9


New England is in the same place now that we were in the late 90's ...... its been 2 seasons since they won a Superbowl .....

What was your point again?

I meant in the late 90s, I think everyone knows they have sucked the last 4 years, that's why I didn't refer to what I meant in a clearer way, but it's my fault, I forgot who I was talking to. They went to another NFC Championship Game in Jan. of '98 and won another playoff game the year after that against GB, the T.O. TD, and Dallas didn't really do anything in those years but not make the playoffs 6-10 in '97, get beat by Arizona in the WC game in '98, and get beat by Min. in a WC game in '99. So the 49ers were more competitive than we were in the LATE 90s. Read it twice please.

And if you quote me quote the whole message you have a bad habbit of quoting half of a post and twisting the meaning or intent of the post to fit your own deceitful ways. I'm not saying it's wrong to ever quote half messages, but to do it in a way that is deceitful is wrong, and you have accused me of being deceitful before, so I'd hate for you to be a hypocrite.

 

[zrinkill]

And if you quote me quote the whole message you have a bad habbit of quoting half of a post and twisting the meaning or intent of the post to fit your own deceitful ways. I'm not saying it's wrong to ever quote half messages, but to do it in a way that is deceitful is wrong, and you have accused me of being deceitful before, so I'd hate for you to be a hypocrite.

No I do not ....... My question is who won a Superbowl last? Us or the Niners?

 

[Royal Laegotti]

In their Dynasty years

Cowboys ......Pats
1991 11-5 ....2001 11-5
1992 13-3 ....2002 9-7
1993 12-4 ....2003 14-2
1994 12-4 ....2004 14-2
1995 12-4 ....2005 10-6
1996 10-6 ....2006 12-4
3 SB's ..........3 SB's


In their Runs they did basically the same thing ..... lets see what happens now that the Pats are aging

The salary cap era began before the 1994 season, we have won 1 SB since that time, they have won 3.

Yes those years are similar, but in 1997 Dallas went 6-10, do you think NE is going 6-10 this year. Wait...I bet you do. NE was a 2 minute warning from going for #4 this past AFC title game, in '96 Dallas lost to Carolina in the Divisional round, so to me NE run looks to be going longer in time than Dallas' run in the 90s did.

I will say this if the 90s Cowboys played the 00s Pats, the Cowboys would totally destroy the Pats, no question.