Let's not forget...

[dcdallaschick]

And you can downplay Jackson staying home for the Playoffs all you like, but he gained nearly 900 more all-purpose yards this year than Jones and scored 8 more TD's so I'll take what DID happen over what you say MAY happen any day.

Who knows what Julius might do behind an OL like St. Louis has? I don't think his performance (or perceived lack thereof) is entirely in his hands. Our inconsistent and often just plain awful line (for more years than I can stand to remember) is where the bulk of our problems on offense begin and end.

And this year, factor in a defense which can't get off the field on 3rd down. I don't see one player—especially on an offense with two 1,000 yard receivers and a 1,000 yard back—making that much difference in our current situation. Don't we all wish it were that easy.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

The Jackson stuff isn't meant so much as an indictment of Jones so much as it is praise for Jackson. I do agree that it would be more difficult perhaps for Jackson behind this line but, come on, 900 yards more difficult?

There have been people screaming on this board for months that Jones was a RB in search of a pile. I happen to think Jackson is a better RB than Jones. I think Jackson would make our o-line look a little better than it does now. It's all speculation anyway but if I had it to do over again I would have taken Jackson. There's only loyalty to Jones now because he was picked then. Having the benefit of several years of production from each RB, I think it's clear who has been the better back.

Just my opinion.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

Who knows what Julius might do behind an OL like St. Louis has? I don't think his performance (or perceived lack thereof) is entirely in his hands. Our inconsistent and often just plain awful line (for more years than I can stand to remember) is where the bulk of our problems on offense begin and end.

And this year, factor in a defense which can't get off the field on 3rd down. I don't see one player—especially on an offense with two 1,000 yard receivers and a 1,000 yard back—making that much difference in our current situation. Don't we all wish it were that easy.

Good points all. Can't disagree.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

The Jackson stuff isn't meant so much as an indictment of Jones so much as it is praise for Jackson. I do agree that it would be more difficult perhaps for Jackson behind this line but, come on, 900 yards more difficult?

There have been people screaming on this board for months that Jones was a RB in search of a pile. I happen to think Jackson is a better RB than Jones. I think Jackson would make our o-line look a little better than it does now. It's all speculation anyway but if I had it to do over again I would have taken Jackson. There's only loyalty to Jones now because he was picked then. Having the benefit of several years of production from each RB, I think it's clear who has been the better back.

Just my opinion.

Is Jackson splitting carries? I don't know. It isn't 900 yds if you add the split carries between JJ and barber is it?

 

[Sarge]

What makes any one think Jackson could thrive here behind this line?
Crystal ball stuff.:bang2:

CBZ could run better behind our OL than Julius so I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that Steven Jackson might be able to as well........

 

[JPM]

the response to posts like this after games like today kill me.

if you have read any of his posts he is never happy with any move Dallas makes. None. Zero.

 

[JPM]

As I recall it, Jackson was pissed because he had PERSONALLY spoken with Bill and was told "You're our guy if you're there"

I recall him telling JJ that. In fact I think he said to him again when he called him after we drafted Jones.
And another stroy I remember hearing is that we liked Kevin Jones better and tried to trade back into the first round for him.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

Is Jackson splitting carries? I don't know. It isn't 900 yds if you add the split carries between JJ and barber is it?

Jackson's not splitting nearly as many touches with Stephen Davis as Jones is with Barber, but when you add it all up Jackson/Davis is still roughly 600 yards ahead of Jones/Barber. In my view, that's roughly 6 whole games more significant production - and that's 37.5% more production in the same number of games.

if you compare Jackson to Jones straight up it is WAY more than that.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

if you have read any of his posts he is never happy with any move Dallas makes. None. Zero.

You're not referring to ME, are you?

 

[Shotgun Dave]

I recall him telling JJ that. In fact I think he said to him again when he called him after we drafted Jones.
And another stroy I remember hearing is that we liked Kevin Jones better and tried to trade back into the first round for him.

I do recall the "trying to get back into the low first to get Kevin Jones" bit but not the interest in Julius. Of course, after drafting julius there was the "oh, we were targeting you the whole time" routine, but show me ONE coach who said after the draft "well, we really wanted that other guy and had to settle for you". It doesn't happen.

And what does acknowledging that we were trying to trade back up to get Kevin Jones say about how we felt about Julius? Clearly, to me anyway, it says we wanted to spend more to get Kevin Jones than staying pat to potentially get Julius. Not exactly a ringing endorsement, is it? I don't know how one can draw any other conclusion.

 

[EPL0c0]

Watch the game...notice the lack of holes to run through for Jones/Barber...

Jackson would be stuffed just the same

 

[Cbz40]

I noticed on one play yesterday. JJ hit the hole made a move to his right into a clump of players.....Where as to his left was a 2 - 3 yard hole. He seems to have no vision.

 

[dcdallaschick]

I noticed on one play yesterday. JJ hit the hole made a move to his right into a clump of players.....Where as to his left was a 2 - 3 yard hole. He seems to have no vision.

I don't think anybody's saying he's above making mistakes... it just seems to be an odd place to focus one's displeasure in the current state of affairs, where there are so many other clearly deserving targets.

 

[Jarv]

Before we knock JJ, or even Barber after his 2+ something yards per carry yesterday...Lets see what a new OC can do with these guys next year.

 

[dbair1967]

Before we knock JJ, or even Barber after his 2+ something yards per carry yesterday...Lets see what a new OC can do with these guys next year.

I agree

people just are eat up with this idea that no matter what, a player will duplicate their success someplace else if they had ended up here...

nothing could be further from the truth people

David

 

[Cbz40]

I don't think anybody's saying he's above making mistakes... it just seems to be an odd place to focus one's displeasure in the current state of affairs, where there are so many other clearly deserving targets.

There lies the problem........We have too many disturbing problems to focus on. After a four year tenure there should not be so many deserving targets to focus on.

 

[Deputy493]

Watch the game...notice the lack of holes to run through for Jones

ah, Julius Jones, built like Tarzan, but runs like Jane!

 

[scottsp]

I recall being in the Zone's chat the night before the draft. A few of us were on hand and the majority begged for Steven Jackson, including several folks participating in this thread. So, this isn't just hindsight at work.

Hos might recall me thinking we would not take a running back in the first round. As I mentioned, many people here wanted Jackson specifically - Hostile chief among them. It just didn't seem like something the organization would do (to me). Of course, that was before we knew of any trade coming down.

Yes, I am one of those guys who believes a runner can get got with relative ease. Unless a special back is on the board early on, particularly in round one, I would go another route.

We all saw Jackson bang away at Oregon State. We knew what he was capable of doing. As great as he was, I just felt Dallas could get more value out of their first selection. Get the runner somewhere else in day one.

Obviously, he is special. And I was way wrong about value with our pick. A player like this represents impact to an offense. Horses that can go for 2,300 rushing/receiving yards and 16 TDs are tough to come by. SJ is a complete player.

When a playmaker like this is on the board, there really isn't much cause to get cute. That draft was as bad as any I can remember around here. And that's saying plenty.

 

[scottsp]

I agree

people just are eat up with this idea that no matter what, a player will duplicate their success someplace else if they had ended up here...

nothing could be further from the truth people

David

Now, this is true. Perhaps my faith in the organization to handle these issues has been misplaced. I guess I'm just a little gun shy.

The past decade has been so unkind.

 

[Cbz40]

I recall being in the Zone's chat the night before the draft. A few of us were on hand and the majority begged for Steven Jackson, including several folks participating in this thread. So, this isn't just hindsight at work.

Hos might recall me thinking we would not take a running back in the first round. As I mentioned, many people here wanted Jackson specifically - Hostile chief among them. It just didn't seem like something the organization would do (to me). Of course, that was before we knew of any trade coming down.

Yes, I am one of those guys who believes a runner can get got with relative ease. Unless a special back is on the board early on, particularly in round one, I would go another route.

We all saw Jackson bang away at Oregon State. We knew what he was capable of doing. As great as he was, I just felt Dallas could get more value out of their first selection. Get the runner somewhere else in day one.

Obviously, he is special. And I was way wrong about value with our pick. A player like this represents impact to an offense. Horses that can go for 2,300 rushing/receiving yards and 16 TDs are tough to come by. SJ is a complete player.

When a playmaker like this is on the board, there really isn't much cause to get cute. That draft was as bad as any I can remember around here. And that's saying plenty.

That Draft day.... How could I forget? I probably should have been banned.