Lets play- Who am I?

[superpunk]

But at least it still excludes Wade because he had Elway for 2 years, still went .500 and couldnt win a playoff game.

Are you saying that I can cross Phillips off my "fear" list?

I'm so glad we finally rid ourselves of evil Purcells so that we could kick around Norv Turner, Wade Phillips and dennis Green as potential candidates. Thank goodness!

This thread makes me angry. NO MORE GAMES!

 

[dbair1967]

Well, I might like to know about his resume as an assistant and/or coordinator, and I'd surely want to know which team he coached, and the dynamics of that situation...

Example-- if the coach in question worked for the Faiders, you can't blame a lack of success on him and him alone... that whole organization is FUBAR'ed, but of course no assistant coach worth his salt is gonna pass on a chance to be a head coach, even if it involves going to a team that's known as a coach killer...

I'd also want to know if he took over a team entering cap h*ll, that would have some relevance to his bottom line...

Then I'd want to know what he could possibly offer the Cowboys, the positives he might bring to the table...

All of these things would need to be considered, not just Ws and Ls...

ok...say I coached a fairly high profile team that had been pretty successful before I got there...no salary cap hell (or maybe pre salary cap)...my resume as an assistant would have to be considered pretty solid to very successful

David

 

[dbair1967]

Oh, you have a point??

Plan on getting around to it in our lifetimes, or are you having too much fun playing it "cute"??

no...just wanting to see how many different opinions we can get

David

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The most discouraging thing for me about this pending hire is that a number of people on this site will bash the hire no matter who it is or the process that's used to land him.

And then harp on it over, and over, and over.

There isn't a perceived home run hire out there this go round like there was when Parcells was hired. And its gonna bring out all the Jerry Jones hatred again.

yep, some people will not be satisfied unless it's their choice, I can see Phil Beddoe being a major pain in the arse in the near future, or whoever is screaming that passing on Rivera is the worst thing that can happen

 

[FLCowboyFan]

Ok, it is Bill Belichick! He was in Clevland from 1991 - 1995 and in that time he went

1991: 6-10
1992: 7-9
1993: 7-9
1994: 11-5 (beat New England - Bledsoe threw 3 int's, 20-13, then lost to the steelers)
1995: 5-11 (Art Model moved the team to Baltimore)
edit: that is a 45% winning percentage as a head coach

What is interesting is that Art said there were two reasons why he fired Belichick:
1. he wanted a Baltimore face on the franchise
2. Belichick has a terrible relationship with the media, frosty was how he put it and he didn't see it getting better

now with that additional information, would we really feel good about him being hired as a coach?

Frankly I have used the Clevland stint in Belichick's career to make the point that he is not a total genius. He is a smart coach in the right place at the right time. He has failed before and will probably fail again before it is all over.

 

[DipChit]

Whats funny is when BB got to NE he picked up right where he left off in Cleveland...... 5-11 again even though the Pats were 8-8 the year before.

Lo and behold Bledsoe goes down in week 2 of the following year (they start 0-2), Brady steps in, they go 11-3 to finish out the regular season and the rest is history.

If only one of our own statues would've went down for the count for an extended period of time in year 2 or 3 of BP. Maybe we'd be making travel plans to Miami instead of travel plans for new HC's to come in.

 

[FLCowboyFan]

Whats funny is when BB got to NE he picked up right where he left off in Cleveland...... 5-11 again even though the Pats were 8-8 the year before.

Lo and behold Bledsoe goes down in week 2 of the following year (they start 0-2), Brady steps in, they go 11-3 to finish out the regular season and the rest is history.

If only one of our own statues would've went down for the count for an extended period of time in year 2 or 3 of BP. Maybe we'd be making travel plans to Miami instead of travel plans for new HC's to come in.

it does make you believe that it is a bit of good coaching and a lot of good players that make the top coaches great. Would Belichick be great without Brady? I don't think so. He might have been a pretty good coach but Brady does not get the credit he deserves (even though he gets a lot) just like Aikman didn't here. Would we have been as good without Aikman? Look at what happened to Jimmy when he went to Miami. Some good coaching and some good players is what makes a great coach.

 

[dbair1967]

Ok, it is Bill Belichick! He was in Clevland from 1991 - 1995 and in that time he went

1991: 6-10
1992: 7-9
1993: 7-9
1994: 11-5 (beat New England - Bledsoe threw 3 int's, 20-13, then lost to the steelers)
1995: 5-11 (Art Model moved the team to Baltimore)
edit: that is a 45% winning percentage as a head coach

What is interesting is that Art said there were two reasons why he fired Belichick:
1. he wanted a Baltimore face on the franchise
2. Belichick has a terrible relationship with the media, frosty was how he put it and he didn't see it getting better

now with that additional information, would we really feel good about him being hired as a coach?

Frankly I have used the Clevland stint in Belichick's career to make the point that he is not a total genius. He is a smart coach in the right place at the right time. He has failed before and will probably fail again before it is all over.

You are correct...a few others guessed but it is Belichick...

I am not trying to justify any one coach here, but my point is you simply dont know. BB was no more successful as a DC than Norv or Wade Phillips were as coordinators (Norv had two super bowl championships, Wade has coached on several super bowl defenses)...and BB in his first stint as a HC was no more successful than Norv or Wade Phillips were in their stints as HC

I think your last comment is correct...he is in the right place at the right time...somebody else pointed out that he also lucked into Brady developing...maybe we've lucked into Romo

Niether Norv nor Wade would be a sexy hire...both will probably be lambasted and Jones will be lynched publicly...but either of those guys IS capable of producing results here with what we have in place...we have talent, we have a great cap situation...we have a good scouting dept with a good player personnel director, and we have an owner who will spend $$$ to get and keep good players

David

 

[theebs]

You are correct...a few others guessed but it is Belichick...

I am not trying to justify any one coach here, but my point is you simply dont know. BB was no more successful as a DC than Norv or Wade Phillips were as coordinators (Norv had two super bowl championships, Wade has coached on several super bowl defenses)...and BB in his first stint as a HC was no more successful than Norv or Wade Phillips were in their stints as HC

I think your last comment is correct...he is in the right place at the right time...somebody else pointed out that he also lucked into Brady developing...maybe we've lucked into Romo

Niether Norv nor Wade would be a sexy hire...both will probably be lambasted and Jones will be lynched publicly...but either of those guys IS capable of producing results here with what we have in place...we have talent, we have a great cap situation...we have a good scouting dept with a good player personnel director, and we have an owner who will spend $$$ to get and keep good players

David

A key difference in cleveland as opposed to in new england is also that he had Parcells full staff with him in New england. He had to put a staff together in cleveland and he played some 43 defense and then the next season he relied on and signed Pepper johnson and Carl banks, to go with joe morris. Retreads.

The best ally a coach can have is a good, great Quarterback. And maybe most importantly a good coaching staff. The staff in cleveland was patchworked with young guys, the staff in new england were veterans, they were savvy and they all knew each other very well and what to expect from each other.

Belichick was allowed to do what he believed in and it has paid off. He ran off dozens of players and put his faith in Scott Pioli whom he hired in NY before parcells got there and then took him and everything else from ny to new england.

 

[Hostile]

would you hire me?

I was a hot shot coordinator on a super bowl champion...I got one shot as a HC and managed 1 winning season out of 5...I won one playoff game in the winning yr I had...I lost 10 or more games in 2 of those 5 season...if I'm available, do you hire me? What would the fan base reaction be?

1st question-- is this made up?
2nd question, if not, who am I?

David

Interesting thread. Okay I'll play along.

#1...Is it made up? Probably not. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say this is describing Bill Belichick and his stint in Cleveland. It could be someone else though.

That answers #2 as well.

Would I hire this person?

In a high profile market like Dallas, no I would not. Not with this resume. Now, if you add his tenure with New England, then I change my mind.

I simply believe Dallas is a different market than the rest of the NFL due to the previous successes. For this reason I would not have hired Switzer, Gailey, or Campo. For this reason Cowher is atop my coaching wish list.

I would rather go with a "hot commodity" looking to prove himself than a coaching retread. This is why just below Cowher on my coaching wish list are Ron Rivera and Mike Singeltary. This is also why I wanted George Seiffert over Barry Switzer and Tony Dungy over Gailey.

I either want someone with skins on the wall worthy of Landry's office, or I want someone who is young and hungry like Jimmy, Rivera, Singletary, etc.

I am not a fan of retread coachign hires. Do I think we are getting one? Yeah, I do. I still hold out hope that we don't.

So, my answer to this is with the resume above, no I wouldn't hire this person. I don't have a crystal ball to look into the future and see the 3 Super Bowl wins in New England. Add that to his resume, and yes I make this hire.

I hope I answered this fairly and so it can't be misconstrued.

 

[joseephuss]

Who is the GM and who is the head of the scouting department? Those two positions are important to any franchise just like who is the head coach.

Little Bill succeeded in New England because those other areas were better than what was in Cleveland.

Cleveland/Baltimore started to have success when they improved their GM postion and scouting department to go along with a decent coach. I really don't think Brian Billick is anything special, but the Ravens have given him a lot of talent especially on defense.

The 70s Cowboys had god HC, GM and scouting, which provided the talented players. The perfrect storm of a franchise. It happend again in the early 90s. They then lost Jimmy's good coaching and good input on talent evaluation. It went downhill.

There is also some luck involved. Tom Brady still being there in the 6th round was a bit of luck. Having Drew Bledsoe getting injured when he rarely missed any playing time was luck for New England. Dallas got lucky that no one took more of a chance on Staubach due to his military obligations. Dallas got lucky again when the Vikings actually thought they were one player away from winning a Superbowl.