Let's put to rest one piece of the Elliott situation

[Philmonroe]

But he is not most. Most of us will never, ever get the change he has now. With that comes baggage and part of that is that you gotta tow the line with what the NFL wants out of players. You sign for that when you sign a player contract.

He is most of us in the fact that we aren't just signing up for some equivalent suspension in our own professions like you and others are saying. That was my point a lot of people say things they themselves wouldn't do in a similar situation. That doesn't matter what your profession is.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Agreed. The optics are bad and that is Zeke's fault.

Yeah and you know what, this isn't even a thing where I agree or disagree, per say. To me, this is all about understand that this is a business and these 32 guys who own the business control that.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He is most of us in the fact that we aren't just signing up for some equivalent suspension in our own professions like you and others are saying. That was my point a lot of people say things they themselves wouldn't do in a similar situation. That doesn't matter what your profession is.

This would make all the sense in the world if most of us worked on a personal contract basis. We don't and that makes all the difference in the world. I understand what you are saying but this is completely different situation this kid is in. That's all I'm saying.

 

[OldCoach]

The league needs to be specific in their punishments. 2 games= conduct detrimental. 4 games= dv. 3 games= drunk driving. Whatever it is they need to be specific.

The shadiness and inconsistencies of the discipline process are so overwhelming. We might as well have to drunk monkeys in charge of this thing. One to flip a guilty/not guilty coin and the other to spin the wheel of punishment. Couldn't be worse than the current system.

 

[Proof]

There's a middle ground here. He shouldn't have gotten 6 games for the major incident, but pulling down a woman's shirt is not something the NFL should condone ever. Period.

It's okay to be a Cowboy fan and understand that behavior warrants a suspension.

lol... this is silly.

you can believe that, no one has to understand it.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

lol... this is silly.

you can believe that, no one has to understand it.

Nothing silly about it. Video evidence of Elliott committing a crime. Well known NFL player. Clear violation of personal conduct policy. Not sure what's so difficult to understand about that.

 

[Proof]

Nothing silly about it. Video evidence of Elliott committing a crime. Well known NFL player. Clear violation of personal conduct policy. Not sure what's so difficult to understand about that.

what crime? pursued by who?

boneheaded decision that COULD have gotten him suspended, that's it. it didn't, it won't, and that's all I need to understand.

 

[Corso]

I once dated a woman that turned out to be crazy. I ran the other way. It is okay to run away...

You're actually an awesome poster. I enjoy the heck out of you and your tidbits of yourself. Maybe I'm just in a good mood...

 

[Corso]

Nothing silly about it. Video evidence of Elliott committing a crime. Well known NFL player. Clear violation of personal conduct policy. Not sure what's so difficult to understand about that.

Crime?

 

[Philmonroe]

Nothing silly about it. Video evidence of Elliott committing a crime. Well known NFL player. Clear violation of personal conduct policy. Not sure what's so difficult to understand about that.

Bulljive turkey lol. There is no footage of any crime that Zeke committed.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

If we were all being honest and clear about this, we would all recognize the fact that this is about optics and optics mean money. This is about money and regardless of all the social justice heroes out there, that's the bottom line. Elliott is not innocent in this situation. He did this to himself by putting himself in those situations, repeatedly. I hope this proves to be a lesson to all of our other players.

The owners don't care about all the rest IMO. They care about the product and how that effects the bottom line. That's the truth of it IMO.

No, EE is perfectly innocent.

He's only perceived as guilty because we give gold digging maniacs like Tiffany Thompson credit and we protect her and give her the benefit of the doubt no matter how many times she is caught brazenly lying or with the intent of extorting him.

He's only perceived as guilty when people falsely claim we have 'slut shamed' Thompson when instead we have given her 'victim privilege' and have totally contradicted themselves by 'shaming' EE with incidents that have NOTHING to do with the case at hand.

He's only perceived as guilty when a woman is caught, red handed, breaking the law twice and a prosecutor refuses to arrest her for breaking the law.

Trying to grasp at straws to blame EE and to be willfully ignorant of what Thompson has done does not help the case of domestic violence. Because of the NFL's and Thompson's actions and now people trying to grasp at straws to find fault with EE...it sets a precedent and now any future accusations of a man beating a woman will be treated with more skepticism that likely necessary. And in the end, it is worse for protecting women from DV.





YR

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No, EE is perfectly innocent.

He's only perceived as guilty because we give gold digging maniacs like Tiffany Thompson credit and we protect her and give her the benefit of the doubt no matter how many times she is caught brazenly lying or with the intent of extorting him.

He's only perceived as guilty when people falsely claim we have 'slut shamed' Thompson when instead we have given her 'victim privilege' and have totally contradicted themselves by 'shaming' EE with incidents that have NOTHING to do with the case at hand.

He's only perceived as guilty when a woman is caught, red handed, breaking the law twice and a prosecutor refuses to arrest her for breaking the law.

Trying to grasp at straws to blame EE and to be willfully ignorant of what Thompson has done does not help the case of domestic violence. Because of the NFL's and Thompson's actions and now people trying to grasp at straws to find fault with EE...it sets a precedent and now any future accusations of a man beating a woman will be treated with more skepticism that likely necessary. And in the end, it is worse for protecting women from DV.





YR

No Rich, he's not innocent. He put himself in that situation. Thompson is what she is and she was all of that when Zeke meet her. He knew this and if he didn't, then we have bigger issues going on here. There are no innocent parties here and that's really what I've said over and over again but here's the thing, and there is no getting around this. The only loser here is Zeke. He will ultimately pay the price for this and that's what everybody around him is trying to explain to him. It's his fault if he isn't listening because he's been told. This is not about right or wrong. This is about being smart enough to figure out who gets the black eye in these situations. It's always going to be the player because Thompson ain't going to sell air time or subscriptions. The Owners are always going to have all the power so they are never going to pay for it and Goodell, well, he works for the Owners and he is going to get paid very well no matter what. But Zeke, he sells air time. He is the news and he will be the guy who pays the price. It's his fault for not being smart enough to listen to what everybody is telling him, including the Owners.

Nobody here is innocent but only one party is going to have to pay the price. Who's stupid in that situation?

 

[Proof]

her. unequivocally and every time.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

A small parable --

A man was caught on camera jaywalking. He walked near a car that was later stolen, and subsequently was accused of the theft. His name was on the front page of the local, small-town newspaper. He was asked to resign the Kiwanis. His children were teased unmercifully at school. His wife was snubbed while at the grocery store. Later it emerged he was innocent of the theft. But his wife's relationships had been harmed. His children had been confused and lost friends. He couldn't enjoy the Kiwanis after what had been done.

Despite all this, the community demanded he be ticketed for jaywalking. After all, it was wrong.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

No Rich, he's not innocent. He put himself in that situation. Thompson is what she is and she was all of that when Zeke meet her. He knew this and if he didn't, then we have bigger issues going on here. There are no innocent parties here and that's really what I've said over and over again but here's the thing, and there is no getting around this. The only loser here is Zeke. He will ultimately pay the price for this and that's what everybody around him is trying to explain to him. It's his fault if he isn't listening because he's been told. This is not about right or wrong. This is about being smart enough to figure out who gets the black eye in these situations. It's always going to be the player because Thompson ain't going to sell air time or subscriptions. The Owners are always going to have all the power so they are never going to pay for it and Goodell, well, he works for the Owners and he is going to get paid very well no matter what. But Zeke, he sells air time. He is the news and he will be the guy who pays the price. It's his fault for not being smart enough to listen to what everybody is telling him, including the Owners.

Nobody here is innocent but only one party is going to have to pay the price. Who's stupid in that situation?

The NFL is stupid int his situation.

He told her specifically to *not* come over to his condo rental when she told him that she was going to ruin his career and she came over anyway.

Stop trying to find fault with EE because Thompson is a lying, gold digging, psycho.

Instead, thoroughly investigate the incident and place the blame correct person. Then when future accusations of DV come against a player people won't be skeptical because people like yourself are grasping at straws to railroad the man.

We are constantly told that it would be wrong to question a female for sticking with her abuser...but when it's the other way around...we claim that the man isn't 'innocent' because 'he put himself in that situation.'

It's wildly hypocritical.





YR

 

[casmith07]

The Josh Brown system is (yet another) miscarriage of justice by the NFL. This is why they require a neutral third party investigator.

Also, if Josh Brown was caught on video, that would be a lot more than 1 game. Zeke is on video. It's not hearsay.

Zeke is 100% not on video abusing Tiffany Thompson. Stop trying to conflate Boobgate with the domestic violence policy - they are not related for the purposes of this case.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

Zeke is 100% not on video abusing Tiffany Thompson. Stop trying to conflate Boobgate with the domestic violence policy - they are not related for the purposes of this case.

That may be true but it's pretty disgusting, anyway.

 

[Proof]

Boobs are disgusting? I must have logged into the wrong forum

 

[casmith07]

That may be true but it's pretty disgusting, anyway.

It's boobs, bro. And she then pulled both her boobs out herself for the whole world to see -- it might be stupid of Zeke but in the realm of things that matter, it's pretty much in the garbage can.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Boobs are disgusting? I must have logged into the wrong forum

It depends on whether you're talking about guy boobs or girl boobs.