Let's talk about Dak

[RustyBourneHorse]

I'd rather give Dak a new OC going into next season to see how he fairs with a better offensive coordinator. If he's still rubbish, then get Tua in 2020.

 

[G2]

We haven't had an elite QB since the 90's. After next season maybe we can find one.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

We haven't had an elite QB since the 90's. After next season maybe we can find one.

I argue that Romo was an elite QB. I don't recall him having great talent around him for much of his career. The fact that he kept us relevant between 2011-2013 is pretty elite. Just a pity what happened in 2014 with the Dez should have been a catch.

 

[Diehardblues]

In both of our championship eras we had similar or greater talent at QB as we had at RB and WR.

Staubach, Dorsett, and Pearson
Aikman, Smith and Irvin

All with Doomsday defenses

It’s why it’s diificult for me to see this as a championship caliber offense or team.

We finally have the top defense , top RB and WR1. I wonder what having a QB with similar talent level would do for our championship pursuit?

We can only do the best we can with what we have. I’ll support whoever is our QB but it doesn’t come without Criticism.

 

[Sydla]

I'd rather give Dak a new OC going into next season to see how he fairs with a better offensive coordinator. If he's still rubbish, then get Tua in 2020.

If I had my druthers we'd start over everywhere - new HC, OC, QB coach and QB.

But QB isn't something you can fix overnight unless you are a member of the Nick Foles society and think he's an elite QB. But you can change the OC and QB coach and I hope that's what happens this offseason.

 

[BIGDen]

We once again have a terrible offensive line, and will win the division in spite of the OL... seems pretty apples to apples to me

OMG. Take a look at those defenses from 2011-13 and look at this defense. Apples to apples? Seriously? Did you even read what I wrote?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

In both of our championship eras we had similar or greater talent at QB as we had at RB and WR.

Staubach, Dorsett, and Pearson
Aikman, Smith and Irvin

All with Doomsday defenses

It’s why it’s diificult for me to see this as a championship caliber team.

We finally have the top defense , top RB and WR1. I wonder what having a QB with similar talent level would do for our championship pursuit?

We can only do the best we can with what we have. I’ll support whoever is our QB but it doesn’t come without Criticism.

Well, I am curious to know how Romo would fair. I reckon we'd be brilliant and possibly on our way to a ring. That said, Romo is not flying out of the CBS booth any time soon. So, hopefully Dak can figure things out.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

If I had my druthers we'd start over everywhere - new HC, OC, QB coach and QB.

But QB isn't something you can fix overnight unless you are a member of the Nick Foles society and think he's an elite QB. But you can change the OC and QB coach and I hope that's what happens this offseason.

I agree to an extent here. However, I can't say that I like our QB prospects this draft outside maybe Thornton of Northwestern. I'd rather get Tua in 2020 to replace Dak if a new HC and OC doesn't fix the problem with him.

 

[Diehardblues]

I argue that Romo was an elite QB. I don't recall him having great talent around him for much of his career. The fact that he kept us relevant between 2011-2013 is pretty elite. Just a pity what happened in 2014 with the Dez should have been a catch.

It’s a shame we were never able to field those Tripletts again after 2014. That was as close to a championship caliber team we’ve had this era ..and that was with a below average defense. With the exception of 2007. Romo had two good chances to break thru. I’d like to have seen him with a few more opportunities.

That’s the problem in Cap era. Windows close fast. You must take advantage when the opportunity arises. We’ll see if Dak is able to do a better job of that.

 

[WillieBeamen]

No need to talk about Dak.

He is who he is. A below average thrower with a bus driver mentality, that needs everything around him to be good/great to be decent.

Hes the first QB since Quincy to be shut out. A feat that neither Kitna, Orton, Weeden, Cassell, nor Kellen Moore accomplished.

He went a stretch of 10 quarters without scoring a TD. That has never happened in the franchise’s history.

He is puttin up is a whopping 11 points per game against teams with winning records this season.

He currently has a worse QBR than Jameis Winston, Nick Mullens, and Josh Johnson

This is whom we are stuck with.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

It’s a shame we were never able to field those Tripletts again after 2014. That was as close to a championship caliber team we’ve had this era ..and that was with a below average defense. With the exception of 2007. Romo had two good chances to break thru. I’d like to have seen him with a few more opportunities.

That’s the problem in Cap era. Windows close fast. You must take advantage when the opportunity arises. We’ll see if Dak is able to do a better job of that.

I agree, and I agree with the point someone made about Matt E being the DC of Indy. The Colts looked like they were in our huddle the entire game. That's on Garrett and Linehan. Hopefully, Dak can figure things out or we'll be in the market for a QB.

 

[G2]

I argue that Romo was an elite QB. I don't recall him having great talent around him for much of his career. The fact that he kept us relevant between 2011-2013 is pretty elite. Just a pity what happened in 2014 with the Dez should have been a catch.

Elite by definition is the best of the best. Romo put up fancy franchise numbers, no question. And he was very, very good in the regular season but under performed in late season and playoff games. Pretty much his entire career. And, he hurt the team by not staying healthy. That and his salary.
So if leading the NFL ONE SEASON out of over a dozen in completion percentage, yards per attempt and rating is elite you have discovered a new definition.
He had plenty of opportunities with plenty of support including multiple hall of famers.
Speaking of the Dez catch, why not run the ball or pass for a first down with plenty of time on 4th and short instead of bombing a 50/50?

 

[Sydla]

No need to talk about Dak.

He is who he is. A below average thrower with a bus driver mentality, that needs everything around him to be good/great to be decent.

Hes the first QB since Quincy to be shut out. A feat that neither Kitna, Orton, Weeden, Cassell, nor Kellen Moore accomplished.

He went a stretch of 10 quarters without scoring a TD. That has never happened in the franchise’s history.

He is puttin up is a whopping 11 points per game against teams with winning records this season.

He currently has a worse QBR than Jameis Winston, Nick Mullens, and Josh Johnson

This is whom we are stuck with.

What's interesting about this is that when Dak plays poorly, the first thing the Daksters point to is how he needs better WRs or TEs or OL.

But then bristle at the idea that he's more a bus driver type despite the fact they are making the argument for him being that themselves.

The reality is that for Dak to succeed at a high level, everything else around him has to work at a high level. He's not the type of QB that's going to put a team that has a key injury, for example, on his shoulders and carry them through a stretch of games. Oh he might win one here or there but he's not going to lose his LT or his best WR and then suddenly elevate his game and carry a team for 3-4 games.

He's just not that guy. I think he's a guy that over the long haul can probably win a bunch of regular season games but he's not going to be a guy that can take a team on a 3-4 game playoff run.

 

[Diehardblues]

No need to talk about Dak.

He is who he is. A below average thrower with a bus driver mentality, that needs everything around him to be good/great to be decent.

Hes the first QB since Quincy to be shut out. A feat that neither Kitna, Orton, Weeden, Cassell, nor Kellen Moore accomplished.

He went a stretch of 10 quarters without scoring a TD. That has never happened in the franchise’s history.

He is puttin up is a whopping 11 points per game against teams with winning records this season.

He currently has a worse QBR than Jameis Winston, Nick Mullens, and Josh Johnson

This is whom we are stuck with.

Pretty much..

Dak is the most popular less than top 10 passing QB we’ve ever had mainly still riding on his 11 game winning wave in Rookie season.

After going 13-4 to begin his career we are 17-13. Not bad but probably not going as far as we’d like. Will that be enough to continue his fan support if we are a consistent 9-7 team?

 

[Blackrain]

He is what he is. He's not elite, likely even great, he's not terrible or awful. He's likely a QB in the 10-15ish range. He'll have a game where he dazzles you and then he'll have games where he looks like he's never played QB before. He's a QB that can't elevate a team consistently, he needs a team around him to perform.

I don't know why people struggle to admit this.

Can you win with him (and by that mean win three or four straight playoff games against good teams to win a SB)? My gut says no which is why I am not all in on him.

However, I am not blind to the reality that right now we don't have many options at QB, so he has to be it. I just hope they get him a creative OC and maybe a new QB coach this offseason.

I think that is a very fair assessment . I am just in hopes that with more experience and better coaching he could consistently stay in the 10 range we have one more year to evaluate that and a chance to acquire better coaching over the off season .

My gut feels the same way about Garrett very hard for me to believe he could coach us to 3 or 4 playoff wins and I have less patients with Garrett because he has had more time to prove himself and he is pretty much stuck in the 15 to 17 coaching range for a while now .

I may be kidding myself but still feel Dak should be given another year to improve as we don't have a lot of logical options till we have a 1st rd draft pick .

The one thing we need at all times is a top 5 Oline because it hides Daks and Garretts flaws enough where we can win with both of them . As the talent fluctuates on the Oline because of injury this year so dose the offensive performance . Dak is having trouble overcoming it and Garretts scheme or lack of is not giving him much help . Our RZO is just beyond bad .

 

[Sydla]

I think that is a very fair assessment . I am just in hopes that with more experience and better coaching he could consistently stay in the 10 range we have one more year to evaluate that and a chance to acquire better coaching over the off season .

My gut feels the same way about Garrett very hard for me to believe he could coach us to 3 or 4 playoff wins and I have less patients with Garrett because he has had more time to prove himself and he is pretty much stuck in the 15 to 17 coaching range for a while now .

I may be kidding myself but still feel Dak should be given another year to improve as we don't have a lot of logical options till we have a 1st rd draft pick .

The one thing we need at all times is a top 5 Oline because it hides Daks and Garretts flaws enough where we can win with both of them . As the talent fluctuates on the Oline because of injury this year so dose the offensive performance . Dak is having trouble overcoming it and Garretts scheme or lack of is not giving him much help . Our RZO is just beyond bad .

He's going to get that extra year and then some, most likely.

You just have to hope and pray that Stephen structures a contract extension that gives the Cowboys some clear outs with some minimal pain 2-3 years from now.

I am in no way a Foles guy but I wonder if Foles went on another run here and hit FA, would it even cross Jerry's mind to make a play for him?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Elite by definition is the best of the best. Romo put up fancy franchise numbers, no question. And he was very, very good in the regular season but under performed in late season and playoff games. Pretty much his entire career. And, he hurt the team by not staying healthy. That and his salary.
So if leading the NFL ONE SEASON out of over a dozen in completion percentage, yards per attempt and rating is elite you have discovered a new definition.
He had plenty of opportunities with plenty of support including multiple hall of famers.
Speaking of the Dez catch, why not run the ball or pass for a first down with plenty of time on 4th and short instead of bombing a 50/50?

That is sort of a point, but Romo had a brutal oline in the years I was referring to. I mean, even Aaron Rodgers never had THAT bad of an oline. I think if he had HALF the defence we have now, he could win the Superbowl. As for that play, I don't know, but I thought that was a good ball.

 

[ItzKelz]

There is good and bad when it comes to Dak, and there is probably more good than bad. But let's talk about the rubber meeting the road with him. He must have an above average line in front of him to be successful. That takes him out of the elite category by itself.

His pocket awareness and ball security inside the pocket are both below average. I am not sure that is going to improve much.

He also has a tendency to over throw open receivers on the deep ball, especially Gallup. That's points left off the board.

Dak has proven to be a winner, but all of the forgoing SIGNIFiCANTLY limit his value and upside. If we are going to keep Dak around, then we must ensure that the OL remains a priority. He also needs a stud RB so we better find an acceptable backup for Zeke.

All of the above need to be seriously considered when Dak gets his next contract. We also need to be looking for a backup that may eventually supplant Dak if these factors don't improve over time.

Keep an eye out for Carr if he gets cut by the Raiders, as no one is taking on that contract. He was playing at a pro bowl level and the Raiders sucked the life out of him just like it did Amari. He may still have some life left in him too.

Man what I wouldn't give to see this team with Kyler Murray on it.

Dak has not had that for 2 seasons now and has the 2nd most wins in the NFL the last 3 seasons. Fans have to stop piggy backing off of media negative narrative driven Cowboys news.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Do you think today's Romo could have done better behind this Oline, no stud TE and only 1 true stud WR that was barely picked up halfway through the season?

He did (granted he always had the TE but he never really had a RB) he took a bunch of 3-13 or 4-12 teams and dragged them to 8-8 on his talent alone, our QB now is taking 11-5 or 12-4 teams and dragging them down to 8-8 or 9-7 because he is less talented

 

[CF74]

He’s an average qb with running skills but by all means let’s force him to be a pocket passer 100% of the time...

Stupid coaches, even dumber fans...