Lets talk about the first interception

[JustDezIt]

Absolutely no onus on the QB to change the play, mid-play. None. As long as they are still operating within the framework of the play (ie. QB still in the pocket.) The QB can and does change the play before the ball is snapped, but once that happens, everyone is to run the play the way it was called. Dez didn't. That play is designed for him to run a dig. End of story.

Here, I'll explain the actual design of the play. Most of what people call "playaction" is not actually that. If you see the QB tuck the ball with one hand, and use his hand to fake a handoff, that is not technically playaction, at least not in the traditional sense, and it rarely has any effect on LBs. Now, what Romo did, was stick the ball out, or "show" it in football vernacular. Doing this is much more effective at manipulating LBs, but it's more dangerous, as the ball is not very secure. The play is designed for the QB to "show" the ball, forcing the LBs to come up (they did) and for the WR to beat this guy inside off the line (he did) and then run a dig route catching the ball in front of the safety but behind the LBs in the gaping hole created by "showing" the ball (he didn't).

I truly wish I could say otherwise, I don't think you realize how bad I want Dez to be what he could be. He simply is not, and shows absolutely no signs of trending toward it either. Now, not all hope is lost, he could possibly turn it all around, I'll never totally give up on him or any other player. To me it's just an extremely small chance.

Cajun, you know I like you, we've agreed about many things, and we've disagreed before too. On this, you're wrong man. Dez ran the wrong route (note that I'm not saying he rounded off his route like other people here, I'm saying he ran the wrong route) and it caused an INT. Romo still didn't play a great game, and Garrett still didn't coach a great game, so you can still harp on those two with impunity from me , but Dez definitely messed up here.

I can dig it.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Absolutely no onus on the QB to change the play, mid-play. None. As long as they are still operating within the framework of the play (ie. QB still in the pocket.) The QB can and does change the play before the ball is snapped, but once that happens, everyone is to run the play the way it was called. Dez didn't. That play is designed for him to run a dig. End of story.

Here, I'll explain the actual design of the play. Most of what people call "playaction" is not actually that. If you see the QB tuck the ball with one hand, and use his hand to fake a handoff, that is not technically playaction, at least not in the traditional sense, and it rarely has any effect on LBs. Now, what Romo did, was stick the ball out, or "show" it in football vernacular. Doing this is much more effective at manipulating LBs, but it's more dangerous, as the ball is not very secure. The play is designed for the QB to "show" the ball, forcing the LBs to come up (they did) and for the WR to beat this guy inside off the line (he did) and then run a dig route catching the ball in front of the safety but behind the LBs in the gaping hole created by "showing" the ball (he didn't).

I truly wish I could say otherwise, I don't think you realize how bad I want Dez to be what he could be. He simply is not, and shows absolutely no signs of trending toward it either. Now, not all hope is lost, he could possibly turn it all around, I'll never totally give up on him or any other player. To me it's just an extremely small chance.

Cajun, you know I like you, we've agreed about many things, and we've disagreed before too. On this, you're wrong man. Dez ran the wrong route (note that I'm not saying he rounded off his route like other people here, I'm saying he ran the wrong route) and it caused an INT. Romo still didn't play a great game, and Garrett still didn't coach a great game, so you can still harp on those two with impunity from me , but Dez definitely messed up here.

I get what you are saying but everything from the read (The QB has got to see the Safety and do something to take him out of the area he is throwing to) to the arc of the pass itself and the fact that had he went up the seam where Dez was heading it would have been a big play. If a QB cannot read the play from the snap and just simply goes through with the play call consequences be darned, then there needs to be a reevaluation of the position.

Either way, You know I have mad respect for your input. BTW look for a PM from me.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Dez is garbage. until proven different it is what it is. Fitz, Megatron dont make those mental errors.

 

[Ender]

Meh, I said 15 yard the second time because that's the only depth we run dig routes in my offense. My bad. I don't care about the depth here though, wherever the top of Dez's route was, he should have made a 90 degree cut, not a 150 degree one.

Also, you realize that if Dez had been standing there at 15 yards directly int he path of the ball, it would have hit him at eye level? Right? How far the ball traveled when the person who was supposed to be there to stop it, wasn't there, is completely and totally irrelevant.

I don't think it would have hit him in the eyes. The saftey jumped to intercept the pass. I think it was a horrible pass period. If Dez ran the right route, either he gets blown up or it's still a pick.

 

[jobberone]

Just look at that replay hairc put up, at the top of his route, when Dez took off to the post, if he had run directly straight across the field, that ball would have hit him right in the hands at or just above eye level. That is the design of the play. This is what I do for a living, I watch all these games many many times over and this play is specifically designed to do exactly what I'm saying. I've seen it over and over and over and over. Dez runs a dig instead of a post and it's a 15+ yard completion and the offense is still in business. Don't worry though, Romo would have had many more plays to mess up so you could tell us all how right you are.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate your posting these nuggets and I'm sorry there are those who feel they know more than the most knowledgeable posters here.

I hope you will continue to post your analyses of plays and just try and ignore those who insist they know better. PM sent.

 

[Prossman]

Its been 71/2 years of the exact same thing. Good tony romo and bad tony romo. Every year its the same thing. This is what tony is. blame whoever you want but the cowboy roller coaster will always ride if things stay the way they are.

 

[theebs]

We have hit that square in repeatedly to DEz this year, it has been the one route he has run effectively.

Of course until today when he hung the qb out to dry yet again.

People don't want to know what happens they just want blame romo. It's sad.

 

[Chinfu]

I don't think it would have hit him in the eyes. The saftey jumped to intercept the pass. I think it was a horrible pass period. If Dez ran the right route, either he gets blown up or it's still a pick.

You might want to go look again and look at Dez. The Safety jumped to get in front of Dez, and caught it in the gut, but the pass was at eye level to Dez who did not jump.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

We have hit that square in repeatedly to DEz this year, it has been the one route he has run effectively.

Of course until today when he hung the qb out to dry yet again.

People don't want to know what happens they just want blame romo. It's sad.

Yeah, it is sad. 4 picks.

 

[visionary]

I do like Dez, you are correct so take it for what its worth. But Also like very much like Romo and support him, even after today's game. I am allowed to have a differing opinion.

But I don't think this was all on Dez as discussed. We all know that whichever way the commentators choose to talk about it, it sways the fan bases memory of it. I think had he made the sharp in cut he would've gotten leveled so I dont think it wouldve turned out well either way.

Dez is one of those "cant win with them" players

lack of discipline and execution, running wrong routes, not knowing where you are supposed to be will get the team beat

he will make a highlight play or 2 but he will make more bone headed plays that cost the team

after he had fumbled on the return any HC worth his salt would have benched him

even Aikman said that, go back and watch the game

 

[jobberone]

Seems to me that when Dezgets about 10 yds down field that if the QB sees what we see then he throws the ball down the seam and Dez runs by the safety for a big catch rather than having to adjust to an arcing pass right to the safety. Is there some onus on the QB to improvise on the play and read the defense as well? Or is it just on the WR?

What you're failing to see is its a designed play to be run properly and that Romo has already thrown the ball.

It just boggles my mind that when people who do this stuff for a living tell you people one thing and they choose to totally ignore it. Could several of us and couchscout be wrong? Sure. But the likelihood is far greater that the dissenters are mistaken.

Why can't some of you even acknowledge that couchscout as well as Garrett and Romo know something you might not know?

 

[Ender]

You might want to go look again and look at Dez. The Safety jumped to get in front of Dez, and caught it in the gut, but the pass was at eye level to Dez who did not jump.

I understand that, and understand what the guy is saying. My point is that Romo clearly would have over thrown the guy if in fact it was a 10 yard dig route
. If that was the route, it was an even worst throw than I first thought.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

What you're failing to see is its a designed play to be run properly and that Romo has already thrown the ball.

It just boggles my mind that when people who do this stuff for a living tell you people one thing and they choose to totally ignore it. Could several of us and couchscout be wrong? Sure. But the likelihood is far greater that the dissenters are mistaken.

Why can't some of you even acknowledge that couchscout as well as Garrett and Romo know something you might not know?

Works well when it favors your perspective huh? However Romo had NOT already thrown the ball. It was not a play that was one step and throw. Romo dropped back, set up and never looked off the safety. In addition, the way he threw the ball was on an arc which regardless of what Dez did, was going to be picked. CS knows I respect his knowledge, but that doesn't preclude me from having a differing opinion on what I saw.

 

[Chinfu]

It was a 16 yd dig, which would have been a perfect throw. How bout now?

 

[jobberone]

I understand that, and understand what the guy is saying. My point is that Romo clearly would have over thrown the guy if in fact it was a 10 yard dig route
. If that was the route, it was an even worst throw than I first thought.

I have no idea how you have even arrived at that conclusion but it is absolutely wrong. It hit a stationary safety in the breadbasket. If Dez crosses him as he should then it hits Dez in the hands heart to neck level. You can have the last word.

 

[rickjameschinaclub]

Bad play call, bad attempt at a play action, bad throw, bad route running, bad in all respects...

 

[theebs]

It was a 16 yd dig, which would have been a perfect throw. How bout now?

Not to mention we hit the same play against Chicago and Baltimore in traffic.

It's been dez's only reliable play until today.

 

[rickjameschinaclub]

I really wish I could say that interception wasn't totally on Dez, but it was. Not only was Romo 100% right in making that throw, it was an absolutely beautiful throw. It's not that Dez rounded off his route, it's that he just decided to change it on the fly. He beat CB so bad early, he wanted to take the route vertical. Now, the safety was standing pretty flat footed, so there is a pretty damn good chance that had Romo thrown it up there, Dez would have run past the safety and it could have been a big play. In my years of playing and coaching, I've had many players like this, if they see an opportunity for a big play, they take it, even if it means going against the plays design. Smarter players would come to the QB/Coach/OC after the play and say "hey, when we ran that play action dig hold route, that safety was flat footed, lets go down town on it." Instead Dez tried to change the route mid-play, and it turned into an INT. At about 12-15 yards Dez is supposed to break that play straight across, he's supposed to run a dig route, instead he ran a skinny post.

I wanna love Dez, he has so many of the attributes to be successful, but he doesn't have it upstairs. Third year in the league and he's still running the wrong routes, lining up in the wrong place, missing sight adjustments, having no awareness of the sidelines (not talking about the big play at the end of this game), and generally displaying a super low football IQ. At this point, I hold out little hope it will ever change.

For the record that next INT was allll on Romo, he has to place that ball a lot better.

Uh, the safety broke to the ball, meaning even if if Dez turned the play in, the safety was probably right there to make the inerception or at least broken the play up...

How about the Giants simply had the right coverage for the play and the play-action fooled nobody? And why would that play-action fool anybody when Dallas didn't even attempt to establish a running game? I mean the play even looked like it was busted from the way Romo faked to the RB, i.e. here were some mistakes by the whole offense from the get go.

 

[links18]

What you're failing to see is its a designed play to be run properly and that Romo has already thrown the ball.

Yeah, its called a timing route--the entire basis of the 90s dynasty passing game.

 

[rickjameschinaclub]

I don't think it would have hit him in the eyes. The saftey jumped to intercept the pass. I think it was a horrible pass period. If Dez ran the right route, either he gets blown up or it's still a pick.

This right here, plus the play looked busted from the very beginning. The awkward attempt at the play-action by Romo cements this point...