Lets talk about the first interception

[Yakuza Rich]

We have hit that square in repeatedly to DEz this year, it has been the one route he has run effectively.

Of course until today when he hung the qb out to dry yet again.

People don't want to know what happens they just want blame romo. It's sad.

i think Dez is the easier target here.

It's fundamental football....know where the safety is. And in the NFL, it's about getting the safety to make 1-step in the other direction. Freeze the video at the point of release of Romo's throw, Brown is breaking on the ball and before that, not *once* moved in any sense in the other direction.

I don't think the actual throw was bad, just the decision and the execution of looking off the safety.





YR

 

[Chinfu]

Uh, the safety broke to the ball, meaning even if if Dez turned the play in, the safety was probably right there to make the inerception or at least broken the play up...

How about the Giants simply had the right coverage for the play and the play-action fooled nobody?

On a come back route, 99% of the time the DB is right behind the receiver. Take the receiver out of the play and its a pick six like we saw against Chi. Receivers shield the ball from DB's all game long. It's part of the advantage of knowing what the play is.

Dez is suppose to be a couple yards in front of the DB and go get the ball at its highest point. Maybe he has a chance to separate the ball with a hit but no way will he be in position to pick it off IF the route is run right.

This is pretty basic concepts we are talking about here.

 

[JustDezIt]

Dez is one of those "cant win with them" players

lack of discipline and execution, running wrong routes, not knowing where you are supposed to be will get the team beat

he will make a highlight play or 2 but he will make more bone headed plays that cost the team

after he had fumbled on the return any HC worth his salt would have benched him

even Aikman said that, go back and watch the game

This thread is about one specific play, I dont know why you felt the need to go off on a a diatribe and then suggest I re-watch the game.

 

[jobberone]

Who cares if he ran the wrong route in that situation? Should not have been thrown with the Safety just sitting there on top. It's not like the safety is just going to allow Dez to cross right in front of him and sit there like a statue.

The play action was horrible, he had all day to throw the ball, and that's where he went. You can dress it up as much as you want, and by the way, Dez is dumb, but your QB is supposed to be smarter than him.

Well, you'd be 100% wrong. But if you don't understand after all this explanation it is because you choose to in spite of the facts.

 

[rickjameschinaclub]

On a come back route, 99% of the time the DB is right behind the receiver. Take the receiver out of the play and its a pick six like we saw against Chi. Receivers shield the ball from DB's all game long. It's part of the advantage of knowing what the play is.

Dez is suppose to be a couple yards in front of the DB and go get the ball at its highest point. Maybe he has a chance to separate the ball with a hit but no way will he be in position to pick it off IF the route is run right.

This is pretty basic concepts we are talking about here.

Are we even talking about the same play? This is when Dez was suppose to cut in on the slant, and kept going vertical? There was no come back route. What 'highest-point' are you talking about? It was the safety we were talking about, who broke on the pass play...

 

[Ender]

Looking at the play from a different angle, Dez did mess that up.. I stand corrected.

 

[visionary]

This thread is about one specific play, I dont know why you felt the need to go off on a a diatribe and then suggest I re-watch the game.

i meant, go back to hear what aikman said

clearly you are in denial

 

[Chinfu]

Yes, I used the come back as an example of receivers being in position and shielding defenders from the ball.

 

[links18]

Looking at the play from a different angle, Dez did mess that up.. I stand corrected.

 

[JustDezIt]

i think Dez is the easier target here.

It's fundamental football....know where the safety is. And in the NFL, it's about getting the safety to make 1-step in the other direction. Freeze the video at the point of release of Romo's throw, Brown is breaking on the ball and before that, not *once* moved in any sense in the other direction.

I don't think the actual throw was bad, just the decision and the execution of looking off the safety.





YR

I guess I agree with Theebs and CS that had he made the in cut way earlier, or as CS put it at, at the top of his route, then the safety couldn't have been much of a factor. And as Theebs stated, we have had success with that play in the past. After hearing the discussion I agree with them, but don't think the rounding of the route was the issue, as stated by Troy, because had the cut been crisper but still that deep it would've been still been trouble. But alas, this is why I come to this site. To discuss with people who know more about the game than I do, not prove that I know more. Which i obv don't, and am not suggesting you do either.

 

[rickjameschinaclub]

Looking at the play from a different angle, Dez did mess that up.. I stand corrected.

Everybody messed up..

Dez shouldn't have broken his route... Tony shouldn't have made the throw.. the RB was confused on that ugly attempt at play-action... just a bad call and execution overall...

 

[sbark]

I'd like to see a wide angle of the play. Dez on the left, presume OTree on the right---what pattern did he run? Seems to me if it wasnt a deep fly pattern pulling the S out of his centerfielder position, then that route from Dez would always be at risk.

edit....just saw the replay from Hairic......WR on other side was also bracketed with Cover 2, so, it would be as CS says the pattern at the right depth

 

[mmillman]

that was a lazy rounded route. he needs to get in front of the safety, "cross his face"

 

[CF74]

Running a timing based offense is about 60% of the reason why we have so many picks...

There have been way to many interceptions that are a result of Romo expecting a WR to be in a certain spot..

uh hello!!! Stop trying the same thing over and over!!!

 

[ZBTHorton]

Running a timing based offense is about 60% of the reason why we have so many picks...

There have been way to many interceptions that are a result of Romo expecting a WR to be in a certain spot..

uh hello!!! Stop trying the same thing over and over!!!

Okay. What kind of offense would you like us to run?

This isn't Tecmo Bowl. There aren't going to be wide open receivers all over the field if we stop throwing while they are moving.

 

[Merlin]

It's a timing route. Dez hesitates when he noticed that Romo threw the designed play and then he adjusts. The safety is not an issue if Dez runs the route correctly. You notice these problems happen mainly with Dez over and over again.

 

[ZBTHorton]

It's a timing route. Dez hesitates when he noticed that Romo threw the designed play and then he adjusts. The safety is not an issue if Dez runs the route correctly. You notice these problems happen mainly with Dez over and over again.

You'll also notice it doesn't happen to other big name QB's as much because when they have guys they can't trust to be where they should be, those WR's don't play.

See Ocho Cinco last year.

 

[Merlin]

You'll also notice it doesn't happen to other big name QB's as much because when they have guys they can't trust to be where they should be, those WR's don't play.

See Ocho Cinco last year.

You also notice that a great coach is not scared to make a move like that and a not so great coach is. See Felix Jones this year.

 

[Idgit]

It seems pretty obvious to me what the play was designed to do. There really wasn't much chance the S was going to bite on Austin given the depth and direction of his route. He's just there to stall him long enough for Dez to get to his depth and square in. And you just need to look at Dez's route to see how sloppy it was. This was pretty obviously on Dez.

Not that it matters. It still counts the same, and Tony had his share of mistakes today, but if we're trying to figure out who blew what, this play isn't a big mystery.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

Romo should have never thrown the pass. That's one reason he has thrown some many ints this year. The receiver is bracketed. DB looks like his playing a trail and has safety help over the top, Romo never looked off the safety. It wasn't a good rout, but the pass shouldn't have been thrown.

This is how I view it as well.

We can lament the fact that Dez ran a half-arse route but that doesn't absolve Romo from shouldering some of the blame.

There were probably better options than Dez on that play. Instead he went Favre on us and tried to thread the needle and was burned.

Check it down and live to fight another day.