Let's talk cap

[Sydla]

Using Over the Cap as a guide, they have us over the 2017 cap by $6.7MM.

What are the likely moves that will come to free up space and how much space can be created? Certainly Smith and Frederick have contracts made for restructuring and I saw someone else suggest we could open up as much as $19MM of cap space between restructuring the two.

What about Witten? He carries a big cap number of over $12MM for 2017.

Cutting Free carries $2MM in dead money but $5MM in cap savings.

If you trade Romo, it appears another $5MM in cap savings as well.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Carr and MO will free up 8 mil. But then we also need 2 cbs

 

[Sydla]

I think Over the Cap already takes into account Carr and MO not being on our books. So we are $6.7MM over even taking account of Carr and Mo.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Carr and MO will free up 8 mil. But then we also need 2 cbs

I don't think they free up anything considering they're both free agents.

 

[Ranching]

Using Over the Cap as a guide, they have us over the 2017 cap by $6.7MM.

What are the likely moves that will come to free up space and how much space can be created? Certainly Smith and Frederick have contracts made for restructuring and I saw someone else suggest we could open up as much as $19MM of cap space between restructuring the two.

What about Witten? He carries a big cap number of over $12MM for 2017.

Cutting Free carries $2MM in dead money but $5MM in cap savings.

If you trade Romo, it appears another $5MM in cap savings as well.

Thanks for changing the subject. I'm not kidding.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I don't think they free up anything considering they're both free agents.

True

 

[gmoney112]

When you're figuring the cap, you can't really look at just the cap number. You have to look at what's Prorated and the base salary.

The base salary is the only thing you can manage.

Frederick is the obvious choice. 14 mill salary. I wouldn't be surprised if they restructured up to 10 mill. Tyron is another, he's making 10 mill this year.

If you really wanted to between Travis and Tyron, you could clear up like 15-20 mill yeah, if you wanted to.

You can also clear up 10 mill on this years cap if you make Tony a June 1 cut. But, you're just shoving the extra 9 mill into next year I think and you still don't have a backup. I'd rather restructure Tyron/Travis and trade Romo for something at least. Even if it's moving up in the first.

So between Travis and Tyron, a good number is about 10 mil under. If you trade Romo you'll be 15, if you make him a June 1 cut you're about 20.

I'm going to be honest. I'm thinking really hard about making Tyrone Crawford a June 1 cut, or asking him to renegotiate. A June 1 cut clears up over 7 million on the cap.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I read somewhere the Giants expect to have $30M in free cap space. Of course, that doesn't take into account any holes / re-signing they have to do.

It appears they are dropping around $28M in UFA. You know they will try to resign JPP I'm sure.

 

[The Natural]

When you're figuring the cap, you can't really look at just the cap number. You have to look at what's Prorated and the base salary.

The base salary is the only thing you can manage.

Frederick is the obvious choice. 14 mill salary. I wouldn't be surprised if they restructured up to 10 mill. Tyron is another, he's making 10 mill this year.

If you really wanted to between Travis and Tyron, you could clear up like 15-20 mill yeah, if you wanted to.

You can also clear up 10 mill on this years cap if you make Tony a June 1 cut. But, you're just shoving the extra 9 mill into next year I think and you still don't have a backup. I'd rather restructure Tyron/Travis and trade Romo for something at least. Even if it's moving up in the first.

So between Travis and Tyron, a good number is about 10 mil under. If you trade Romo you'll be 15, if you make him a June 1 cut you're about 20.

I'm going to be honest. I'm thinking really hard about making Tyrone Crawford a June 1 cut, or asking him to renegotiate. A June 1 cut clears up over 7 million on the cap.

I wouldnt hesistate to cut ties with Crawford if it means freeing up cap space. He's a non-factor

 

[gmoney112]

I wouldnt hesistate to cut ties with Crawford if it means freeing up cap space. He's a non-factor

Yeah, that'd give us plenty of space to sign Bennie Logan, who'd be legit next to Collins.

 

[robjay04]

I read somewhere the Giants expect to have $30M in free cap space. Of course, that doesn't take into account any holes / re-signing they have to do.

It appears they are dropping around $28M in UFA. You know they will try to resign JPP I'm sure.

A lot of Giants fans don't think so, at least the ones that I know.

OBJ is in his final year, regardless of how anyone feels about him...his production makes him vastly underpaid. He could make a legitimate argument to be the top paid receiver in the league.

They also have to look into having possibly the top paid safety in the league in one year...can only allocate so much to the defense.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants didn't make a push for AP.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think you basically have to keep Tony for next year. The best you will do is save $5M on this year if you trade him. You will need a backup QB taking most of that back. Right now you have a high caliber QB that serves as a backup. Cutting him and signing someone else saves you what? $1-3M? Yeah, no. I will take Romo over a $1-3M/year QB.

Now, trading Romo the following year you can save $16.3M off his $25.2M cap hit.

This is a no-brainer. You keep Romo through next year.

 

[YosemiteSam]

A lot of Giants fans don't think so, at least the ones that I know.

OBJ is in his final year, regardless of how anyone feels about him...his production makes him vastly underpaid. He could make a legitimate argument to be the top paid receiver in the league.

They also have to look into having possibly the top paid safety in the league in one year...can only allocate so much to the defense.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants didn't make a push for AP.

At $10M last year his stat line (for only 12 games played) doesn't look terrible. (7 sacks, 35 TKL, 3 FF, 1 FR, 8 PD, 3 STF) He could do even better with more games and being coming more families with playing with missing fingers hah.

 

[robjay04]

I think you basically have to keep Tony for next year. The best you will do is save $5M on this year if you trade him. You will need a backup QB taking most of that back. Right now you have a high caliber QB that serves as a backup. Cutting him and signing someone else saves you what? $1-3M? Yeah, no. I will take Romo over a $1-3M/year QB.

Now, trading Romo the following year you can save $16.3M off his $25.2M cap hit.

This is a no-brainer. You keep Romo through next year.

You don't keep a player like Romo and hold him hostage as a backup. This team and Jerry respects their players more than that.

He is likely going to be a June 1st cut unless something offers something significant.

 

[dragon_mikal]

I think you basically have to keep Tony for next year. The best you will do is save $5M on this year if you trade him. You will need a backup QB taking most of that back. Right now you have a high caliber QB that serves as a backup. Cutting him and signing someone else saves you what? $1-3M? Yeah, no. I will take Romo over a $1-3M/year QB.

Now, trading Romo the following year you can save $16.3M off his $25.2M cap hit.

This is a no-brainer. You keep Romo through next year.

I agree unless someone offers something you can't refuse.

 

[robjay04]

At $10M last year his stat line (for only 12 games played) doesn't look terrible. (7 sacks, 35 TKL, 3 FF, 1 FR, 8 PD, 3 STF) He could do even better with more games and being coming more families with playing with missing fingers hah.

He's going to want to be paid more than Vernon to sign back with the Giants. You can't have the top two paid defensive ends, safety and receiver. Something will have to give eventually.

I like JPP here but not for what he will likely command in a market that is light on DE's.

 

[dragon_mikal]

You don't keep a player like Romo and hold him hostage as a backup. This team and Jerry respects their players more than that.

He is likely going to be a June 1st cut unless something offers something significant.

I like Romo more than most but you can't lose him for nothing. This is a business and the business is winning SBs. Letting Romo go for nothing when the cap savings is minimal makes no sense.

 

[conner01]

I think they stick to their philosophy of building through the draft and not signing big name expensive guys. You may see one guy you've heard of but for the most part I think they continue to build with the draft and a few mid range young free agents
I know many want to throw money at the defense but I just don't see that happening

 

[YosemiteSam]

You don't keep a player like Romo and hold him hostage as a backup. This team and Jerry respects their players more than that.

He is likely going to be a June 1st cut unless something offers something significant.

lol, didn't anyone ever tell you. Football is a business. He won't go anywhere if we have to eat $14M to do it.

 

[robjay04]

I like Romo more than most but you can't lose him for nothing. This is a business and the business is winning SBs. Letting Romo go for nothing when the cap savings is minimal makes no sense.

That's just not how Jerry runs this team. Regardless, we will turn a page next season. It's going to be tough but we can't have a backup QB making over 20 million and that is what he is at this point. As of right now, designating Romo a June 1st cut saves us over 14 million dollars.

That is a lot of money to upgrade this defense.

We could've traded Ware, Jerry released him out of respect because Ware requested.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the kindness Jerry showed to Ware may come back and benefit us. Something tells me that we resign Ware as a pass rushing specialist. If he hits the market and wants to play, it would make too much sense.