Let's talk offensive line needs

[jterrell]

realistic mock draft:

1. Trent Murphy DE Stanford.
2. Lamarcus Joyner FS/Nickel FSU
3. Kony Ealy DT Missou
4. Chris Burnette OG Georgia
5. Boseko Lokombo WLB Oregon
6. Martavius Bryant WR Clemson
7. Glenn Carson ILB PennSt

I'd get Waters back in here, find a reasonable cost vet RB that can play 25 snaps a game, and find a way to keep Hatcher.
Let Spencer leave. Hopefully restructure Ware down in cost mightily.
But I'd be open to cutting Ware and keeping Spencer if the money worked out better that way,

 

[jterrell]

your sauce is always weak

i am not at all sensitive so feel free to take shots but its rather pathetic when you have nothing of substance to add.
your post is full of irony though so there is that.

 

[Verdict]

I rea

Waters is a Pro Bowl caliber player you have the inside track on.
And he isn't that expensive.

This team needs answers at 5 or 6 positions on defense and that's not even beginning to address really restructuring the defense by cutting anyone.

The early draft should be about getting quality players that can walk in and start for us and save us money.
After the first few rounds you just take BPA because we can use depth and development everywhere.

But the thought their needs to be any special focus on OL is as football stupid as it gets.

I am afraid that I will have to disagree with your opinion that the offensive line should not be a priority. If I remember correctly Waters is on a one year deal. If so he will not be under contract next year. Do you want to trot Costa out there as a starting guard next year? What depth will you have behind him?

I am not saying force the pick. But I would be ok with trading back a little in the first (especially if there is no one on the board that we covet) and taking four of the highest rated players in the first three rounds and hopefully they would be in positions of need, including offensive and defensive lines. I'm not convinced we need to take a safety at all in this next draft.

 

[jterrell]

I rea


I am afraid that I will have to disagree with your opinion that the offensive line should not be a priority. If I remember correctly Waters is on a one year deal. If so he will not be under contract next year. Do you want to trot Costa out there as a starting guard next year? What depth will you have behind him?

I am not saying force the pick. But I would be ok with trading back a little in the first (especially if there is no one on the board that we covet) and taking four of the highest rated players in the first three rounds and hopefully they would be in positions of need, including offensive and defensive lines. I'm not convinced we need to take a safety at all in this next draft.

Let's walk through your scenario.

We allow Waters to retire (even though he was our best OL for a few weeks before injury) ... done.

We have our current starting OL AND top 3 back ups return in tact.
We have:
LT: Smith, Weems
LG: Leary, Frederick
OC: Frederick, Costa
RG: Bern, Costa
RT: Free, Parnell

So you would go out and use an R1 draft pick at OG??
A guy who may not be able to unseat Bern or Leary?

And you don't think we need a safety? Huh???

PFF is just a service but they grade Bern a top 20 OG. Wilcox and Heath rate outside the top 50 Safeties.

How does your plan make any sense in that light?

I would always be willing to move down if value fell like it did this year but I wouldn't always move down.
If Star had fell to us instead of Floyd we probably pick that kid and he starts all year next to Hatcher.
If we had Reid right now (who we boxed) he would have been a day 1 starter and rate about 30 slots higher than either Wilcox or Heath.

I wouldn't force a pick either, but there is no way I enter next season with the current safeties. That position simply must be upgraded so if the draft doesn't send one my way I've got to spend money there.
And it can not be a bottom of the barrel re-tread.
If the draft doesn't present a guy who can walk in and start I've got to buy one.

Safety play can not continue to be this bad.
We are the worst team in the NFL at the position and it is very easy for offenses to pick us on there.
The only are we are worse is LB when Sean Lee comes out hurt.
What Chicago did when Lee came out was straight up bullying.

 

[ilykdrama]

Can't say Romo doesn't have the time this year. Albeit a few games or plays here and there I'm pretty pleased with the Oline. It could be better, but this D would make any Oline, offensive player or play calling look horrible. Every second of every play has to be flawless on the offensive side of the ball right now.

 

[visionary]

realistic mock draft:

1. Trent Murphy DE Stanford.
2. Lamarcus Joyner FS/Nickel FSU
3. Kony Ealy DT Missou
4. Chris Burnette OG Georgia
5. Boseko Lokombo WLB Oregon
6. Martavius Bryant WR Clemson
7. Glenn Carson ILB PennSt

I'd get Waters back in here, find a reasonable cost vet RB that can play 25 snaps a game, and find a way to keep Hatcher.
Let Spencer leave. Hopefully restructure Ware down in cost mightily.
But I'd be open to cutting Ware and keeping Spencer if the money worked out better that way,

i think this is reasonable although i am not sure we can keep hatcher without overpaying (which i absolutely dont want to do)

would rather go out and find a cheaper FA (from the list xwalker posted yesterday)

 

[jterrell]

i think this is reasonable although i am not sure we can keep hatcher without overpaying (which i absolutely dont want to do)

would rather go out and find a cheaper FA (from the list xwalker posted yesterday)

hatcher's deal will all be about money.
but i suspect he has much stronger desire to stay here than he does to leave.
i think we are committed to getting him back and him to coming back.
i could be reading it crazy wrong but i dont assume he is just gone as many have.
he's a 30+ year old who is probably best in a rotation.

 

[Gaede]

I'd draft an ol and dl in every draft

 

[Risen Star]

This is *exactly* right. But good luck getting this crowd to admit they spit the bit, badly, re: our OG play. It's just never going to happen.

But, yeah, we do need another developmental OG in the mid rounds. And I don't like much our options at OT behind Parnell. Not a fan of anything I've seen from Weems, no matter what Broadus has to say about him. But our personnel problems on defense are overwhelmingly more important.

Just using his numbers, the Cowboys have 3 of the top 29 CBs in the league. There are 32 teams in the league. Each with a #1 CB. So 32 #1 CBs in the NFL. The Cowboys pay 3 of their CBs to that level.

And you say, "this is *exactly* right".

I agree. It is.

 

[Picksix]

realistic mock draft:

1. Trent Murphy DE Stanford.
2. Lamarcus Joyner FS/Nickel FSU
3. Kony Ealy DT Missou
4. Chris Burnette OG Georgia
5. Boseko Lokombo WLB Oregon
6. Martavius Bryant WR Clemson
7. Glenn Carson ILB PennSt

I'd get Waters back in here, find a reasonable cost vet RB that can play 25 snaps a game, and find a way to keep Hatcher.
Let Spencer leave. Hopefully restructure Ware down in cost mightily.
But I'd be open to cutting Ware and keeping Spencer if the money worked out better that way,

I live on the West Coast, so I've been able to see a good bit of Murphy. I like the kid, but I wonder if he'd be better as a 3-4 OLB. Personally, I'd like to see us get Jernigan from FSU, although I don't know if he'll last that long. I could see him rising in the draft like Richardson did this past year. Is Ealy a DT or DE? I admit, the SEC Champ game was the first time I really saw him play, and I thought he was at RDE. Could be wrong, or maybe they just moved him around some. But either way, he'd be a good pick, too.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned specifically in this thread, is the quality of our RB's. I think our OL has gotten better. I could see replacing Free, but Bernadeau has improved significantly. Is it another Great Wall of Dallas? No, but I don't think we absolutely need 2 new OG's either. Murray had a great game numbers wise Monday night, and he's a good RB. But he consistently leaves yards on the field. That first play of the game. He went for 11-12 yards and a first down. Should have been about 25 yards, if he had made a simple cut back in. Instead, he cut out, and ran right into Miles and the guy he was trying to block. I think the coaching staff agrees, too. We don't need AP, but if we had a guy like Forte or Charles, I think our running game would be much better.

 

[xwalker]

I am afraid that I will have to disagree with your opinion that the offensive line should not be a priority. If I remember correctly Waters is on a one year deal. If so he will not be under contract next year. Do you want to trot Costa out there as a starting guard next year? What depth will you have behind him?

I am not saying force the pick. But I would be ok with trading back a little in the first (especially if there is no one on the board that we covet) and taking four of the highest rated players in the first three rounds and hopefully they would be in positions of need, including offensive and defensive lines. I'm not convinced we need to take a safety at all in this next draft.

Agree.

They have Zero depth at Guard. Nobody wants to move Frederick and they're doomed if Phil Costa has to start at Guard.

At Safety they have 3 guys that have a possibility of stepping up for 1 position (Heath, Wilcox, and Matt Johnson). How much better would a rookie Safety be than a 2nd year guy like Wilcox? If they really don't think 1 of the 3 can handle the job in 2014, then they probably need to look for a veteran. I just don't see a rookie Safety as the solution.

 

[Clove]

I would mainly focus on the defense. I would draft 3 defensive linemen. Kiffin should not be here, so we need to figure out what scheme we're running first though. I'm sick of drafting offensive players, not like it's doing any good on that side of the ball.

 

[Idgit]

Just using his numbers, the Cowboys have 3 of the top 29 CBs in the league. There are 32 teams in the league. Each with a #1 CB. So 32 #1 CBs in the NFL. The Cowboys pay 3 of their CBs to that level.

And you say, "this is *exactly* right".

I agree. It is.

Where's he presenting his numbers? Am I not seeing them in the thread here?

In any event, most teams budget their caps by position group, where there's going to be variation in salary from year to year. I'd be surprised if we're orders of magnitude out of line with what other teams slot for the position group. Believe it or not, you're just about the only person who follows football on the planet with any sort of regularity who does not think that CB is an important position in the National Football League.

 

[jterrell]

I live on the West Coast, so I've been able to see a good bit of Murphy. I like the kid, but I wonder if he'd be better as a 3-4 OLB. Personally, I'd like to see us get Jernigan from FSU, although I don't know if he'll last that long. I could see him rising in the draft like Richardson did this past year. Is Ealy a DT or DE? I admit, the SEC Champ game was the first time I really saw him play, and I thought he was at RDE. Could be wrong, or maybe they just moved him around some. But either way, he'd be a good pick, too.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned specifically in this thread, is the quality of our RB's. I think our OL has gotten better. I could see replacing Free, but Bernadeau has improved significantly. Is it another Great Wall of Dallas? No, but I don't think we absolutely need 2 new OG's either. Murray had a great game numbers wise Monday night, and he's a good RB. But he consistently leaves yards on the field. That first play of the game. He went for 11-12 yards and a first down. Should have been about 25 yards, if he had made a simple cut back in. Instead, he cut out, and ran right into Miles and the guy he was trying to block. I think the coaching staff agrees, too. We don't need AP, but if we had a guy like Forte or Charles, I think our running game would be much better.

I can't even begin to argue specific players yet.
I have seen Stanford 3 times and I think Muprhy is the kind of guy we want if we stay with Marinelli.

FSU is really good but it's hard to say what there guys will be like until we see them in the NCG because the SOS has been pretty bad outside Clemson.

And I agree about RB. I'd like to add a veteran presence there. Plenty float like McGahee that can help teams.
A share the load guy who doesnt make mistakes or let Romo get killed.

 

[worn]

we should look at OG in the 2nd rd

and get OT or another OG in the late rds

 

[burmafrd]

i am not at all sensitive so feel free to take shots but its rather pathetic when you have nothing of substance to add.
your post is full of irony though so there is that.

Your posts are not worth any more effort.

 

[burmafrd]

Let's walk through your scenario.

We allow Waters to retire (even though he was our best OL for a few weeks before injury) ... done.

We have our current starting OL AND top 3 back ups return in tact.
We have:
LT: Smith, Weems
LG: Leary, Frederick
OC: Frederick, Costa
RG: Bern, Costa
RT: Free, Parnell

So you would go out and use an R1 draft pick at OG??
A guy who may not be able to unseat Bern or Leary?

And you don't think we need a safety? Huh???

PFF is just a service but they grade Bern a top 20 OG. Wilcox and Heath rate outside the top 50 Safeties.

How does your plan make any sense in that light?

I would always be willing to move down if value fell like it did this year but I wouldn't always move down.
If Star had fell to us instead of Floyd we probably pick that kid and he starts all year next to Hatcher.
If we had Reid right now (who we boxed) he would have been a day 1 starter and rate about 30 slots higher than either Wilcox or Heath.

I wouldn't force a pick either, but there is no way I enter next season with the current safeties. That position simply must be upgraded so if the draft doesn't send one my way I've got to spend money there.
And it can not be a bottom of the barrel re-tread.
If the draft doesn't present a guy who can walk in and start I've got to buy one.

Safety play can not continue to be this bad.
We are the worst team in the NFL at the position and it is very easy for offenses to pick us on there.
The only are we are worse is LB when Sean Lee comes out hurt.
What Chicago did when Lee came out was straight up bullying.

this post typifies how Jerruh looked at the O line for so long. Worked so well didn't it? And by the way no team uses PFF for ANYTHING. There is a reason for that.

 

[jterrell]

this post typifies how Jerruh looked at the O line for so long. Worked so well didn't it? And by the way no team uses PFF for ANYTHING. There is a reason for that.

gotta love when people post blatant nonsense.

Jerry had mega-millionaires on this offensive line forever trying to maintain a 90's OL.
Guess Larry Allen ever made any money here.
What about Leonard Davis or Andre Gurode?
Did I dream up Ron Rivera being a well-paid flake?
What draft pick did we use on Jacob Rogers again?

Jerry let the OL fall apart because he relied on these old over paid guys too long. And the draft picks thrown at OL by Parcells fell uselessly to the wastebasket.

But make no mistake goofball, the OL has had more Pro Bowl participants by the Dallas Cowboys since we last attended a Super Bowl than any other position.

 

[Rockport]

It seems as though we have done a better job of protecting Romo this year, but we still can't run the ball like we really want to. The line does appear serviceable but that's not really good enough. I still think we need another guard. even if Waters returns. In upgrading the offensive line do you think the bigger need is at guard or tackle? Do we need both?

We need to continue to build the offensive line as well as the defensive line in the early rounds. Drafting Escobar was a mistake.

 

[xwalker]

Did I dream up Ron Rivera being a well-paid flake?

Ron Rivera is the coach of the Panthers.

Marco Rivera was an OLineman that one played for the Cowboys.