LG- Kosier or Peterman?

[Charles]

Word is that Peterman has shown more then in the past- but that Kosier is expected to start. I am hoping that Peterman can at least push Kosier. I have not heard much about Proctor at all.

My money is on Peterman. The guy had to learn how to walk again, before he could even compete for a starting spot. I think this is the year Peterman wins the starting LG.

IMHO Kosier was an expensive yet necessary signing. He provides immediate back-up to all the Oline positions except center. He also hedges our bets if guys like Peterman, Petitti and Colombo aren't able to perform........... Mr.Utility.

 

[burmafrd]

Ideally BP wants every single player on the O line to be able to play multiple positions. BACKUPS especially. Guards that can play center; centers that can play guards; or someone that can play center or tackle.

 

[Charles]

Ideally BP wants every single player on the O line to be able to play multiple positions. BACKUPS especially. Guards that can play center; centers that can play guards; or someone that can play center or tackle.

Thats why this is Al Johnson most important training camp as a Cowboy. He needs to leave no doubt about who the best center is on the team.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

well Johnson has started 2 full years; Gurode has started almost 2 full years between his rookie year and 2004. So calling him a backup is not quite accurate. Peterman - the verdict is still out. But of course to Eddie its always the pessimistic side.

I don't love Johnson. He has started but he is not a solid starting Center, at this point, to me. Gurode is a back up. He can't beat out a quality Guard and he can't beat out Johnson. Peterman, the story is as yet unfinished, however, he should be showing something by now. Gurode was a 2nd round pick in 02. That's 4 seasons with the club. You don't expect 2nd round picks to come in and start immediatly but by the time they hit there 2nd or 3rd season, they should really be challenging. I'd have to say that he was a bust, at this point in his career. Johnson was also a 2nd in 03. He is a starter but time will tell with him. He should really be looked upon as a fixture at the Center position with two years of starting experience but I don't know that he is. Peterman is in his second year, a 3rd round pick and I don't know that he's viewed as a back up or a starter or just a 3rd string player. I guess we will see but it's a big year for him to show IMO.

 

[Chief]

So when it comes to drafting OL over the past 5 years, it's been a big fat F.

Sorry, it is what it is. Spin the positives as much as you want, but the bottom line is we've done a pizz poor job of drafting OL the past 5 years ...

OL has been a problem for almost a decade, and still remains a problem. Yes, it's pessimistic.

That's the sad truth.

I can understand being "hopeful," but the offensive line has been such a joke for several years now that being optimistic is a reach, IMO.

If this continues, we'll all look back at the offensive line as the unit that kept the team from having real success during Parcells' tenure.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

Man, I hope you're right. I loved Peterman when I watched him in the Senior Bowl. I was elated when we picked him. People forget just how tough some of these injuries still are. Guys come back from ACL injuries in less than a year, and people think everyone should. Each injury is unique in itself. Peterman's was obviously very difficult. I'll be cheering for him, that's for sure.

 

[Eddie]

Ideally BP wants every single player on the O line to be able to play multiple positions. BACKUPS especially. Guards that can play center; centers that can play guards; or someone that can play center or tackle.

I'm not too thrilled with this approach. I like flexibility .. but I'd rather have dominance at a single position.

I'd rather have 5 killers, each at a single position, than 5 so-so;s who can play all 5 positions.

 

[burmafrd]

Bad luck and injuries have hurt us. The Hotel had never had a serious injury- untill last year. Rivera the same. If both of them had been healthy the line would have been a lot better. If both are healthy THIS year we are in good shape.

 

[burmafrd]

the problem with having specialists- is INJURIES. INJURIES will happen- and since you can no longer afford top backups- you need people that can be flexible. The day of being able to build/afford great O lines is gone.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Page was actually a 2nd round draft pick. Then again, he did start for 4 years. But we didn't ask him back.

Who was it we picked up that had the broken leg? We've had so many bad olinemen they have all merged in to one.

 

[Charles]

Man, I hope you're right. I loved Peterman when I watched him in the Senior Bowl. I was elated when we picked him. People forget just how tough some of these injuries still are. Guys come back from ACL injuries in less than a year, and people think everyone should. Each injury is unique in itself. Peterman's was obviously very difficult. I'll be cheering for him, that's for sure.

Peterman tore the MCL and ACL in his right knee. He couldn't walk let alone prepare to compete for a gig.

I can't wait to see a healthy Peterman. He's athletic. He was a very good basketball player and also played some TE. I honestly think ( really hoping) that he steps up.

 

[burmafrd]

Peterman has had a good reason to be slow coming along with as bad an injury as he had. BUT this year he has to show something.
I am also hoping that Columbo can contribute as well.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Peterman tore the MCL and ACL in his right knee. He couldn't walk let alone prepare to compete for a gig.

I can't wait to see a healthy Peterman. He's athletic. He was a very good basketball player and also played some TE. I honestly think ( really hoping) that he steps up.

I watched Peterman, while at LSU, and I can not say that I ever thought he was very athletic. Physical, yes. Strong with a mean strea, yes. Overly athletic, no, not ever IMO.

 

[Charles]

I watched Peterman, while at LSU, and I can not say that I ever thought he was very athletic. Physical, yes. Strong with a mean strea, yes. Overly athletic, no, not ever IMO.

I think you''l be surprised when you see Peterman get on his horse in the Dallas blocking system, where guards pull...........

At LSU, Nick Saban pretty much shoved it down you throat. He didn't get exotic.

 

[Chief]

I watched Peterman, while at LSU, and I can not say that I ever thought he was very athletic. Physical, yes. Strong with a mean strea, yes. Overly athletic, no, not ever IMO.

I agree.

When I watched him, it looked like his biggest weakness was his lack of athletic ability. The effort was there, but he really seems to labor.

 

[Idgit]

Who was it we picked up that had the broken leg? We've had so many bad olinemen they have all merged in to one.

Garmon?

 

[Yeagermeister]

Garmon?

Yeah that's him. Thanks

 

[Angus]

Glad to see some good opinion of Pat McQuistan on the board. I, too, think Dallas may have made a killing with the pick. There seem to be a lot of impatient people who can't give talent time to mature. We shouldn't discard Peterman or McQuistan (or some others) without finding out what they can do when they are ready. I believe Ireland knows what he is doing in selecting good people for the long haul. He is not star-struck like some fans are.

 

[Star Struck]

Glad to see some good opinion of Pat McQuistan on the board. I, too, think Dallas may have made a killing with the pick. There seem to be a lot of impatient people who can't give talent time to mature. We shouldn't discard Peterman or McQuistan (or some others) without finding out what they can do when they are ready. I believe Ireland knows what he is doing in selecting good people for the long haul. He is not star-struck like some fans are.

I like McQuistan a lot. Excellent pick IMO. I think there will be some competition at a few line positions which is the best thing that could happen. I think we're gonna be a lot better on the line than we look on paper...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Glad to see some good opinion of Pat McQuistan on the board. I, too, think Dallas may have made a killing with the pick. There seem to be a lot of impatient people who can't give talent time to mature. We shouldn't discard Peterman or McQuistan (or some others) without finding out what they can do when they are ready. I believe Ireland knows what he is doing in selecting good people for the long haul. He is not star-struck like some fans are.

I don't think it's really a matter of being in patient so much as it isthe way the game has changed over the years. In the old days, you could develope a lineman in the right way. In todays game, you got 4 years and then the player is free to move on. If you re-invest in them, you have no guarantee they will develope or you are forced with a situation where they move on and now you've developed a player for another franchise. It's a difficult thing to master. Ultimatly, your forced into a situation where you have to make hard and fast decision on who and where you develope. The three year rule is a pretty good one. Show me something in three or move on.