List the coaches that Garrett is better than

[CowboyChris]

I honestly can think of one .......Tomsula of SF.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Maybe Mike Pettine of the Browns.

 

[CowboyChris]

Maybe Mike Pettine of the Browns.

I was gonna add him, and then I thought what would the Browns be like with Garrett as their coach? would they be any better?

 

[pjtoadie]

Waiting for the Garrett homers to come on here and say he's 2nd best to Belichick.

 

[TheDude]

I'll start. I dont think he is the worst - but havent been shy that I never thought he was the right guy here back through 2008

HC only

vacant - Philly
Jim Caldwell - Det
Lovie Smith - TB
Tomsula - SF
Rex Ryan - Buff
Carpenter - Mia (maybe unfair situation?)
Pettine - Cle
Mularkey - Tenn
Pagano - Ind
McCoy - SD

If the question is "would you want to hire any other HC?" I would add M Jones, Fisher, Coughlin, Quinn, Del Rio. I dont necessarily think these are worse, just would not be enamored if they were named as replacement in a week (e.g. Coughlin doesnt have many years left, etc).

I must admit, I am kinda shocked I put down 15 names (well 14 and a vacant)

 

[Idgit]

There isn't a linear list of HCs from top to bottom. Each job in the league is different, and each comes with a completely different set of challenges. Some organizations are setup so that it's virtually impossible for *anybody* to win in those cities. I'm looking at you CLE. Some combinations of coaches and front office are combustible, but effective. See, Harbaugh in SF. But those have a short shelf life. Some organizations have HoF coaches or a system that they leverage over long periods of time. PIT, NE and probably GB at this point are the most obvious examples here. SEA, if they can demonstrate the staying power, might eventually enter this group.

Beneath that, you have perhaps a handful of teams that have good enough combinations of players and coaches that they can jump up and be competitive or even win it all under the right circumstances. The Saints. The Giants. The Ravens. Zimmer and the Vikes might be entering this territory, too. I had thought the Cowboys were entering this territory going into the season. That's still where I'd probably put them, but this season was a giant curveball.

Below that, you have the teams that are just in disarray or in the very early stages of sorting out a new plan. There are a ton of teams in this category, obviously.

For my money, Belichick, Arians, and Harbaugh (if he were in the NFL) are the cream of the crop of NFL coaches right now. With a caveat for Harbaugh because he's so prickly he's unlikely to stay anywhere all that long. Of the guys who might work well in Dallas, given the ownership and the media attention of the Cowboy job, Payton is about the only guy I think represents a clear upgrade to Garrett (and even he has the substance abuse issues that are a question mark). There are guys working their way up the ranks right now or in college who I think are intriguing, but they're also unknowns.

But to at leas try to answer the question--or what I think you're really getting at, anyway--I think we've probably got a better situation in terms of how our staff fits with our organization/situation than probably 75-80% of the teams in the league.

 

[Aven8]

He's not better than any of them IMO.

Had he gone through the ranks and moved all over America and been fired and moved, and promoted and moved I could give him props. It's obvious that he has no experience to fall back on. He's not ready and should have been hired as the QB coach, then worked his way up just like everybody else. I put him on the same level with Singletary actually, except he was a great player in this league, but had barely any coaching experience.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I judge a coach off their full body of work

Garrett has 1 playoff season in 5 years, that would rank him in the bottom of the league and that is where he belongs

When the team you coach misses the playoffs 80% of the time, you are not going to be considered a good coach, regardless of circumstances

 

[SultanOfSix]

 

[big dog cowboy]

Hard to believe just a year ago the coach of the year candidates were Arians, Carroll, Garrett, McCarthy and Belichick.

http://www.si.com/nfl/video/2014/12/28/top-nfl-coach-year-candidates

 

[Beast_from_East]

Hard to believe just a year ago the coach of the year candidates were Arians, Carroll, Garrett, McCarthy and Belichick.

http://www.si.com/nfl/video/2014/12/28/top-nfl-coach-year-candidates

Notice how each of those coaches have their teams in the playoffs again this year....................except Garrett.

Which is my point exactly..........if you want to be considered a good head coach, in any professional sports league, your team has to be good year in and year out.

If Garrett wants to be considered among the ranks of Arians, Carroll, McCarthy, and Belichick then he has to do what they have done, that is make the playoffs year in and year out and compete for championships.

Any JAG coach can get lucky and make the playoffs once every 5 years or so, but it is the good coaches that do it year after year after year.

 

[darthseinfeld]

If Garrett wins 11+ games next year we will all love him again

If he wins fewer then 10 he will be fired.

His contract is basically paying him to be a 10 win a year coach. Jones is going to give him a pass this year because of the circumstances, but next year I believe he is gone if he doesnt win 10 at least

 

[cml750]

I personally think ANY team would take a step back if they hired Garrett.

 

[DandyDon52]

Notice how each of those coaches have their teams in the playoffs again this year....................except Garrett.

Which is my point exactly..........if you want to be considered a good head coach, in any professional sports league, your team has to be good year in and year out.

If Garrett wants to be considered among the ranks of Arians, Carroll, McCarthy, and Belichick then he has to do what they have done, that is make the playoffs year in and year out and compete for championships.

Any JAG coach can get lucky and make the playoffs once every 5 years or so, but it is the good coaches that do it year after year after year.

I am not a fan of JG and would like him gone, but I have to say in his defense, he wanted to keep murray , and maybe other players,
but the jones boys messed that up.
I dont know if JG wanted to bring in hardy, or CM.
So what we have here is the jones boys meddling with personnel who goes and who stays, and that should be more with the HC.

I think with the more successful teams the owners /gm's go along with what the coach wants.
Here in Dallas the jones boys do what they want and JG has to deal with the effects of that.

I do think JG is a limited puppet HC, but things were in place in 2014 so that it sort of fit him, and then the jones boys, did their yearly "fix"
and the team was changed to the point JG could not deal with it.
Had they kept the 2014 team intact and just added the drafted guys, then I think 2015 would have been a playoff year again.

And sure JG did a poor job of coaching this year, but I think the jones boys also decided who would play qb, and they got cassel
So really I blame the disaster of 2015 on the jones boys.

And sure if JG had been more innovative they might have won the div, and then been 1 and out in playoffs.
The bottom line to me is they had the perfect team for JG to win with and they screwed it all up meddling and not keeping who
jg and even tony wanted to keep.
They went against both their star qb and HC and did what they wanted to do and it blew up in their face.

They may never get back a team JG can win with, as he needs something simple that works .

 

[big dog cowboy]

Notice how each of those coaches have their teams in the playoffs again this year....................except Garrett.

Notice how each of those coaches have their starting QB again this year....................except Garrett.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I am not a fan of JG and would like him gone, but I have to say in his defense, he wanted to keep murray , and maybe other players,
but the jones boys messed that up.

How did the Jones boys mess that up?

Did they tell Murray to demand more than he was worth so they wouldn't have to resign him?

 

[PoundTheRock]

Notice how each of those coaches have their starting QB again this year....................except Garrett.

This would hold weight if we hadn't seen Garrett miss the playoffs with his starting QB three straight times before last year.

 

[Fredd]

I dunno, I saw this thread and all I thought was "Beuhler, Beuhler, Beuhler....."

I like Jason Garrett the person a lot, can't stand him as a HC of America's Team

 

[cowboyblue22]

I think garrett is a bottom feeder coach last year it was the fact that dez and murray were playing for contracts . he has had one 10 win season while here he has been consistently mediocre so in my mind there are lots of coaches better than him. He wont be fired though until most likely tony's time in dallas is over. I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel with the jones boy's and him running this thing in the ground.

 

[DandyDon52]

How did the Jones boys mess that up?

Did they tell Murray to demand more than he was worth so they wouldn't have to resign him?

Murray's worth was/is a matter of opinion.
He was worth more than what cowboys offered IMO.