List the coaches that Garrett is better than

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CowboyChris said:
what gets me the most is 2 years ago Jerry striped Garrett of his play calling duties....that should've been a sign to Jerry. ..but what does Jerry do? signs him to a 5 year extension
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less work and responsibility and more money, pretty good deal !
Jerry could have done a 1 year ext. but no he goes for 5 like he is afraid jason will go to another team.
 
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i personally think Garrett is the worst coach in the league by far. Give any coach Romo, they'd get 8-8 minimum. Hell Sparano was a sub-par OC and he got Dallas at the number 2 scoring offense with Romo and TO.

Romo guarantees wins against sub-par teams every year, but he can't beat great teams on his own...
 
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Beast_from_East said:
Excuses.........Arians went 5-3 without Palmer last year

Yea, it can be done
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And Garrett also got Romo's collar bone broken again, because he was relying on Romo to bail him and Jerry out..

And all the Garrett homers thought he was going to save their season when he was coming back, but he was chucking INTs also, with Carolina DBs and LBs sniffing out plays before the snap, because the offense is trash..
 
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He's certainly the least qualified, unless you're counting Dan Campbell, who is just an interim coach. I doubt you will find any coach in the league who has less experience coaching than Jason Garrett. Even Tomsula has been coaching since the early 90s.
 
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Wanting Murray back, particularly after a 1800 yard season and when both Romo and Witten are lobbying to keep him is not a justification for "to be fair Garretr wanted him back"..

Every coach in the world would want him back unless he's demanding too much money.. Jerry and Stephen also wanted him back, which is why they offered him a contract..

So what if he lost Murray.. He had him in 2012 when he was running the offense and he never ran the ball.. He can't coach period..
 
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And the 49ers just fired Tomsula and they were in more disarray than the Cowboys were in the off-season and even they won games with their back-up QBs..

Hell, the Commanders off-season, they were allegedly in disarray. Cousins was named starter a week before the season. The GMs wife was posting family business out on Twitter. RG3 was complaining to Dan about Gruden and so on..
 
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khiladi said:
And the 49ers just fired Tomsula and they were in more disarray than the Cowboys were in the off-season
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Considering all the retirements and suspensions that SF experienced last year that is a very bold statement.
 
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CowboyChris said:
what gets me the most is 2 years ago Jerry striped Garrett of his play calling duties....that should've been a sign to Jerry. ..but what does Jerry do? signs him to a 5 year extension
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It's laughable. In the NFL a Head Coach sometimes strips the OC of play calling duties (example McCarthy in GB)...only in Dallas does the HC get stripped of play calling duties, what a joke!
 
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There isn't a linear list of HCs from top to bottom. Each job in the league is different, and each comes with a completely different set of challenges. Some organizations are setup so that it's virtually impossible for *anybody* to win in those cities. I'm looking at you CLE. Some combinations of coaches and front office are combustible, but effective. See, Harbaugh in SF. But those have a short shelf life. Some organizations have HoF coaches or a system that they leverage over long periods of time. PIT, NE and probably GB at this point are the most obvious examples here. SEA, if they can demonstrate the staying power, might eventually enter this group.

Beneath that, you have perhaps a handful of teams that have good enough combinations of players and coaches that they can jump up and be competitive or even win it all under the right circumstances. The Saints. The Giants. The Ravens. Zimmer and the Vikes might be entering this territory, too. I had thought the Cowboys were entering this territory going into the season. That's still where I'd probably put them, but this season was a giant curveball.

Below that, you have the teams that are just in disarray or in the very early stages of sorting out a new plan. There are a ton of teams in this category, obviously.

For my money, Belichick, Arians, and Harbaugh (if he were in the NFL) are the cream of the crop of NFL coaches right now. With a caveat for Harbaugh because he's so prickly he's unlikely to stay anywhere all that long. Of the guys who might work well in Dallas, given the ownership and the media attention of the Cowboy job, Payton is about the only guy I think represents a clear upgrade to Garrett (and even he has the substance abuse issues that are a question mark). There are guys working their way up the ranks right now or in college who I think are intriguing, but they're also unknowns.

But to at leas try to answer the question--or what I think you're really getting at, anyway--I think we've probably got a better situation in terms of how our staff fits with our organization/situation than probably 75-80% of the teams in the league.
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Idgit said:
There isn't a linear list of HCs from top to bottom. Each job in the league is different, and each comes with a completely different set of challenges. Some organizations are setup so that it's virtually impossible for *anybody* to win in those cities. I'm looking at you CLE. Some combinations of coaches and front office are combustible, but effective. See, Harbaugh in SF. But those have a short shelf life. Some organizations have HoF coaches or a system that they leverage over long periods of time. PIT, NE and probably GB at this point are the most obvious examples here. SEA, if they can demonstrate the staying power, might eventually enter this group.

Beneath that, you have perhaps a handful of teams that have good enough combinations of players and coaches that they can jump up and be competitive or even win it all under the right circumstances. The Saints. The Giants. The Ravens. Zimmer and the Vikes might be entering this territory, too. I had thought the Cowboys were entering this territory going into the season. That's still where I'd probably put them, but this season was a giant curveball.

Below that, you have the teams that are just in disarray or in the very early stages of sorting out a new plan. There are a ton of teams in this category, obviously.

For my money, Belichick, Arians, and Harbaugh (if he were in the NFL) are the cream of the crop of NFL coaches right now. With a caveat for Harbaugh because he's so prickly he's unlikely to stay anywhere all that long. Of the guys who might work well in Dallas, given the ownership and the media attention of the Cowboy job, Payton is about the only guy I think represents a clear upgrade to Garrett (and even he has the substance abuse issues that are a question mark). There are guys working their way up the ranks right now or in college who I think are intriguing, but they're also unknowns.

But to at leas try to answer the question--or what I think you're really getting at, anyway--I think we've probably got a better situation in terms of how our staff fits with our organization/situation than probably 75-80% of the teams in the league.
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So Garrett is better than 75-80% of the coaches in the NFL? What can I say other then your opinion is pretty much the kiss of death. At this point, considering your history of accuracy, we should just take what you say and take the opposite stance. That would put Garrett in the bottom 25%-20% in coaching. Which is right on par with what he actually is.

And you putting the Cowboys in the 2nd rung of teams that have a good combination of players and coaches? Another statement where you could pretty much take the opposite and be right on par. So after this year the Cowboys are a whopping 500% winning percentage over the last 15 or so years? Yah, what a combination that is. They are one of the worst franchises in the league in that span.
 
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For me....

1. Rex Ryan
2. Joe Philbin (when Philbin was with the Fins) and by proxy, Dan Campbell
3. Pettine
4. O'Brien (he hasn't shown me anything, yet)
5. Bradley
6. Mularkey
7. McCoy
8. Gruden (again, hasn't shown me anything, yet)
9. Chip Kelly
10. Caldwell
11. Tomsula


I would put him in the range of a Del Rio and Jeff Fisher. He's good at developing talent, but his inability and unwillingness to be more advanced schematically hurts him.





YR
 
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