Little update on what Dallas has Awuzie doing

[Sydla]

That article was from when exactly?

And that has not been quoted either. I am not going to make his arguments for him. But by all means argue with me and see if you can control yourself this time. It sounds like fun to me.

If you had read the article I linked above from nj.com, you'd have seen the quote in question. It's right there in the article. Through 5 games of last season, the Eagles were dead last in blitz percentage and as the article noted, that's not exactly surprising from a Schwartz defense.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I really dislike all of the position switching, granted they are keeping him for corner at most part. Just let him have one position and focus on it.

Not a fan of it either especially to young rookies. Just don't like it. I think you can really mess with a young guys career doing that early and them never recovering and being able to make it in the NFL. I think we've really done a disservice to Byron Jones in that regard.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You stated Schwartz's scheme was blitz heavy man scheme. I can go back and find the exact quote, if you want. That's partly false - he likes to play man but he doesn't blitz a lot at all. You asked for proof. I gave it to you. You asked for rankings. I just linked to an article that shows the Bills, under Schwartz, were 27th in blitz percentage and the year before, his Lions were 31st. Through 5 games last year, the Eagles, under his guidance, were dead last in the NFL in blitz percentage per an article linked in this thread.

I also linked to other articles that are analyses of his scheme and philosophies and they all say the same thing - Schwartz is a guy who does not blitz a lot. He prefers to generate pressure with his front 4, using stunts, wide-nine principals, etc.

So until you can admit that you were wrong that Schwartz is a blitzing style DC, there's no point in trying to debate you. One of your most important premises here - that Carroll suffered from Schwartz blitzing a lot - is false and you can't even admit that.

And you still have not posted the rankings nor have you addressed the weak pass rush nor the man to man scheme nor how your assertion changes the overall point.

I get tired of repeating myself in both my arguments and my rebuttals to your blithe argument.

Most important premises? I'm just going to requote myself and not waste any more time if you cannot address the above. I could be wrong on the point of fact but as I keep rubbing your face in: what difference does it make?

 

[Sydla]

Most important premises? I'm just going to requote myself and not waste any more time if you cannot address the above. I could be wrong on the point of fact but as I keep rubbing your face in: what difference does it make?

You "could" be wrong? LOL.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You "could" be wrong? LOL.

And you still have not posted the rankings nor have you addressed the weak pass rush nor the man to man scheme nor how your assertion changes the overall point.

I get tired of repeating myself in both my arguments and my rebuttals to your blithe argument.

 

[Sydla]

Again, until you can be honest with people it's a useless endeavor trying to debate other points with someone who is so hard headed they can't admit they were wrong despite it being clear to everyone that you are.

But I will entertain one of your points with two questions. Is a CBs job easier or more difficult if 5 men are in coverage or 7? Does Nolan Carroll stand a better chance of success on a play if he has safety help over the top or if he's simply left on an island all by himself over and over?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Again, until you can be honest with people it's impossible to have a rea conversation with you.

You can't even admit you were wrong on Schwartz. So what's the point of continuing to do this? If you can't even admit you were wrong here despite mountains of evidence then there's no shot you'd admit a wrong later.

But I will entertain one of your points with a question. Is a CBs job easier or more difficult if 5 men are in coverage or 7?

Honest would see you actually addressing all my arguments and not only grandstanding on the one you think you can win.

All I can say is you seem to struggle considering more than one thing at once. You can beg questions all you like but I am not playing that game. LEarn what status quo is and get back to me. Oh and:

And you still have not posted the rankings nor have you addressed the weak pass rush nor the man to man scheme nor how your assertion changes the overall point.

I get tired of repeating myself in both my arguments and my rebuttals to your blithe argument.

 

[Sydla]

Honest would see you actually addressing all my arguments and not only grandstanding on the one you think you can win.

All I can say is you seem to struggle considering more than one thing at once. You can beg questions all you like but I am not playing that game. LEarn what status quo is and get back to me. Oh and:

If you can't admit you were clearly wrong on Schwartz's blitz philosophy despite copious amounts of evidence what chance is there of you admitting you were wrong in other areas of this debate? What chance is there of you saying to yourself, "You know, maybe I might be wrong here."

The fact you can't see that is hilarious.

I will gladly answer your questions when you admit one of your premises was false.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you can't admit you were clearly wrong on Schwartz's blitz philosophy despite copious amounts of evidence what chance is there of you admitting you were wrong in other areas of this debate? What chance is there of you saying to yourself, "You know, maybe I might be wrong here."

The fact you can't see that is hilarious.

You've shown stats for around a third of a season.

And you still have not posted the rankings nor have you addressed the weak pass rush nor the man to man scheme nor how your assertion changes the overall point.

I get tired of repeating myself in both my arguments and my rebuttals to your blithe argument.

 

[Floatyworm]

I watched it and I am not buying it. His issue was in the red zone getting pushed around by TE and giving up TD. The last play from scrimmage saw him covering for 7 seconds.

Oh and you have already established yourself as terrible at player evaluation to the point where the board mocks you over it. You are going to have to do better than just make assertions.

My player evaluations are laughable....

Ok....

So who is right? Me? or the Cowboys that haven't won jack squat since the internet became mainstream?????

Every year they fail to win...chalk up another year I was right...

 

[Floatyworm]

Yes Versatility is a valuable asset in all walks of life... And that includes football. I know because players are routinely drafted because of it. And the players who excel at it are of tremendous value.

Somehow you think having smart kid like Awuzie learn many positions makes him more likely to blow an errand. I think it makes him less likely to do so. I'm glad I stand on the side of coaches and general managers all across football.

So what other team routinely moves players from one position to another and have success? I mean to have a player practice @ one position...but then ask him play @ another is just wasting resources. Nobody else does this in the league...Nobody!!!

 

[Sydla]

You've shown stats for around a third of a season.

And his last two seasons coaching in Buffalo and Detroit. In 2013, his Detroit defense was bottom five in blitz percentage. In 2014, his Buffalo defense was bottom five in blitz percentage. And for 5 games in 2016 his Eagles D was dead last in blitz percentage.

You are purposely being obtuse at this point. As stipulated earlier and by other people on other topics, you seem incapable of just saying, "Whoops, I was wrong about that......"

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My player evaluations are laughable....

Ok....

So who is right? Me? or the Cowboys that haven't won jack squat since the internet became mainstream?????

Every year they fail to win...chalk up another year I was right...

The Cowboys have more all pros and pro bowlers drafted in the Garrett era than anyone else. The Cowboys have a winning record over that time period as well. Meanwhile you act like Noodles Moore is the second coming of Joe Montana and have won nothing at all.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And his last two seasons coaching in Buffalo and Detroit.

You are purposely being obtuse at this point. As stipulated earlier and by other people on other topics, you seem incapable of just saying, "Whoops, I was wrong about that......"

And you still have not posted the rankings nor have you addressed the weak pass rush nor the man to man scheme nor how your assertion changes the overall point.

I get tired of repeating myself in both my arguments and my rebuttals to your blithe argument.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So while Schwarz may not rush more than 4 a whole lot he still

a) attacks with a lot of zone dogs and blitzes that have DL in coverage.
b) be a predominant man scheme
c) have a below average pass rush that saw down years from Graham and Barwin.
d) poor talent at DB with McKelvin falling off the proverbial cliff, Jenkins and McCleod having down years, along with busts at LB in Kendicks and Bradham.

But hey they don't rush 5+ more than average so that means Carroll sucks!

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

That article was from when exactly?

And that has not been quoted either. I am not going to make his arguments for him. But by all means argue with me and see if you can control yourself this time. It sounds like fun to me.

Open the link genius.

Pulling the virtual blanket over your eyes to hide from the given evidence doesn't somehow equate to not being provided the evidence.

I'd like to say educating you is fun but it's rather droll.

 

[xwalker]

If you had read the article I linked above from nj.com, you'd have seen the quote in question. It's right there in the article. Through 5 games of last season, the Eagles were dead last in blitz percentage and as the article noted, that's not exactly surprising from a Schwartz defense.

I've seen Swartz run a high risk scheme to get pressure regardless of how much he blitzed.

For instance he would allow his DLine to abandon run contain in favor of pass rushing. He would over load sides which also makes them vulnerable. He would use a wide split of both DEs and DTs. Zone blitzes don't show up in the stats as blitzes, but do make coverage weaker in favor of pass rush pressure.

Also, do you have the numbers on number of blitzers when he did blitz? I recall him going with multiple blitzers when he blitzed. What's higher risk, 15 one man blitzes or 5 three man blitzes?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

So what other team routinely moves players from one position to another and have success? I mean to have a player practice @ one position...but then ask him play @ another is just wasting resources. Nobody else does this in the league...Nobody!!!

What teams in the offseason tries players in a bunch of different positions?

All of them.

Are you new to following football?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I've seen Swartz run a high risk scheme to get pressure regardless of how much he blitzed.

For instance he would allow his DLine to abandon run contain in favor of pass rushing. He would over load sides which also makes them vulnerable. He would use a wide split of both DEs and DTs. Zone blitzes don't show up in the stats as blitzes, but do make coverage weaker in favor of pass rush pressure.

Also, do you have the numbers on number of blitzers when he did blitz? I recall him going with multiple blitzers when he blitzed. What's higher risk, 15 one man blitzes or 5 three man blitzes?

15 one man blitzes.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So what other team routinely moves players from one position to another and have success? I mean to have a player practice @ one position...but then ask him play @ another is just wasting resources. Nobody else does this in the league...Nobody!!!

Yeah what talent is out there playing corner and safety the majority of the game? And the Cowboys have been doing this for years and it never happens on the field. They go into the offseason talking about someones "flexibility" and the season comes and they are stuck at that one position so why ruin them like that to begin with?