Longest Tenured HCs

[Cattle_Rancher]

The question people keep ignoring with this thing is who could come in right now and do better? Guys not current employed. You’re not getting Cowher, or Saban, or Daniels. Do you give the team over to Louisiana Tech’s HC? The Jaguars’ quality control guy? Do you really think Linehan can do much better? He has a worse coaching history than Garrett.

If you’re going anywhere this year, it’s with Jason Garrett. What about next year if you go 10-6 and win a playoff game in Atlanta? Do you fire Garrett and pick up Carolina’s Oline coach? How much sense does that make?

Nobody is talking an in season change if I did it would be Kris not Scott that I would turn the team over to. Heck this thread is not about firing the guy it’s just about two of the top 8 coaches who have never sniffed a SB while everyone else has won one.

 

[AKATheRake]

It’s always about the players. Salary cap or no.

Our teams have lost in the playoffs because we couldn’t stop good QBs.

That will continue with suspect safety talent/depth. The deep ball to a talented WR is always in play.

 

[buybuydandavis]

It’s always about the players. Salary cap or no.

Our teams have lost in the playoffs because we couldn’t stop good QBs.

Our *defense* couldn't stop good opposing QBs. It's unclear whether our *offense* could have with better coaching.

Don't give Aaron Rodgers the ball back when your defense can't stop him. Duh. Garrett still hasn't learned this.

 

[Silver Surfer]

It’s because people apparently can’t count wins and losses very carefully or have zero sense of context.

Garrett isn’t Belichick. But then, no other coach in the history of the league was, either.

Somehow Doug Pederson managed to get it done without his starting QB and all-pro left tackle.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Marvin Lewis has 6 losing seasons in 15 years as a HC. Garrett has 1 losing season in 7 years.

And Garrett doesn’t get enough credit for keeping this team in playoff contention from 2011 - 2013. Outside of Romo those teams and had very, very little talent and frankly had no business sniffing contention. The 2011 - 2012 OL was all-time franchise bad.

Given the injuries in 2015, a perfectly reasonable argument can be made that the only year he underachieved was last year. And if Zeke isn’t suspended we probably still make a wildcard.

I would rather have a losing season than an 8-8 season. And most of that was because of Romo doing his thing, not Garrett.

Garrett is a below average coach who needs superior talent to win games.

 

[ConstantReboot]

The question people keep ignoring with this thing is who could come in right now and do better? Guys not current employed. You’re not getting Cowher, or Saban, or Daniels. Do you give the team over to Louisiana Tech’s HC? The Jaguars’ quality control guy? Do you really think Linehan can do much better? He has a worse coaching history than Garrett.

If you’re going anywhere this year, it’s with Jason Garrett. What about next year if you go 10-6 and win a playoff game in Atlanta? Do you fire Garrett and pick up Carolina’s Oline coach? How much sense does that make?

Garrett is not a football guy. Even Romo said that himself. He doesn't know the X and Os of football. Im sure that even some high school coaches know more than he does. So whoever takes over, so long he knows his football, will be better than Garrett.

 

[Proof]

The question people keep ignoring with this thing is who could come in right now and do better? Guys not current employed. You’re not getting Cowher, or Saban, or Daniels. Do you give the team over to Louisiana Tech’s HC? The Jaguars’ quality control guy? Do you really think Linehan can do much better? He has a worse coaching history than Garrett.

If you’re going anywhere this year, it’s with Jason Garrett. What about next year if you go 10-6 and win a playoff game in Atlanta? Do you fire Garrett and pick up Carolina’s Oline coach? How much sense does that make?

Who knows? We’ve got two guys in Pederson and McVay Currently that have set the league on fire, Dan Quinn has had much more success than Garrett, Doug Marrone is doing a stellar job, and Kyle Shannahan looks to be next up. Sticking with the status quo because the fan base can’t present the can’t lose replacement is lunacy. We don’t have to have the answer to identify the problem, just have to understand that we know what we’re getting out of this guy.

 

[Proof]

I would rather have a losing season than an 8-8 season. And most of that was because of Romo doing his thing, not Garrett.

Garrett is a below average coach who needs superior talent to win games.

Basically. Lol @ 1 losing season. And what three winning seasons out of 7? No playoff success? Being in “contention” = limping to the finish line in the always competitive nfc east, but getting embarrassed when it counts.


He’s probably better than Marvin Lewis tho, yes. Hang your hat on the football equivalent of Cleveland saying “we’re not Detroit”

 

[Buzzbait]

A lot of things come together to win a Superbowl.

But Garrett's not one of 'em.

 

[Idgit]

You mean like competent coaching staff being one of them? Won't ever happen here with carrot top as the head coach. Not a coach who goes away from what got us to the playoffs and plays totally different.

No, I didn’t mean that, since our coaches actually are competent.

We don’t go away from what got us to the playoffs, either. We get exposed by the same weaknesses that are there all year long that show up when you play great QBs. You just don’t notice it when we can outscore opponents.

 

[Idgit]

Our *defense* couldn't stop good opposing QBs. It's unclear whether our *offense* could have with better coaching.

Don't give Aaron Rodgers the ball back when your defense can't stop him. Duh. Garrett still hasn't learned this.

Oh, it’s clear. If we magically get better offensive coaching we can always score more points. There’s no theoretical limit if you don’t care about being realistic.

Easier said than done beating Rodgers when you can’t cover and the holding is ignored. That’s not a coaching issue.

 

[Idgit]

Somehow Doug Pederson managed to get it done without his starting QB and all-pro left tackle.

How’d that defense play for him?

And how’d he do the year prior before Roseman added some talent?

It’s about the players.

 

[Idgit]

But Garrett's not one of 'em.

No reason he can’t be beyond you don’t want him to be.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Oh, it’s clear. If we magically get better offensive coaching we can always score more points. There’s no theoretical limit if you don’t care about being realistic.

Easier said than done beating Rodgers when you can’t cover and the holding is ignored. That’s not a coaching issue.

Competent clock management is not magic, though I can see why a Cowboy fan would think so after a decade of Garrett.

 

[plasticman]

It was interesting during the Bengals game they threw up the list of the longest tenured HCs. 1-8 only Marvin Lewis and JG have never won a SB heck they haven’t even sniffed one. Belichick, McCarthy, Payton, Tomlin, Harbaugh, and Carroll at least have 1 ring. You could play that game what two things are not like the others. Lol.

Okay, now name the HC's from that list that have won a Super Bowl in the past 7 seasons. Garrett and Lewis now seem to have plenty of company. After all, this is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of job. You don't get to keep your job for what you did five or more seasons ago.

Some of those brilliant Super Bowl HC's won on their second time around as a HC. Carrol and Belicek is in this group. Do you think the Browns might have regretted firing Belicek? They have had eight more HC's since then.

Every circumstance is different. Some practically walked into a ready made team. Garrett walked into a 1-7 first half season and years of caphell.

 

[Buzzbait]

No reason he can’t be beyond you don’t want him to be.

Why would I want him to not be???
I want the Cowboys to go, and that includes whoever happens to be the HC! BUT.......I don't think it will happen with Garrett at the helm.
When he first came in as OC I was all in for the guy.
But after watching him for 11 years he's destroyed any confidence I ever had in him.
I believe a good coach would've went to the SuperBowl with Romo, but not Garrett.

 

[Silver Surfer]

How’d that defense play for him?

And how’d he do the year prior before Roseman added some talent?

It’s about the players.

You mean the one that gave up 500 yards passing (613 total yards) in the Superbowl? That one?

Look, we all know working for Jerry comes with its own set of challenges; but if Garrett is that good, why does he tolerate the mediocrity that this work environment foists on its head coaches? Why wouldn't he just quit and go take a head coaching job somewhere else in the league?

The argument's been made, even in this thread, that there's nobody else better that's available. Let me turn that argument around. How many teams would fire their head coach right now in order to free up a spot for Garrett?

He doesn't manage the clock well, he doesn't make in-game adjustments very well and his teams don't overcome adversity very often. What competitive advantage is he offering me if I'm a GM?

 

[ConstantReboot]

Basically. Lol @ 1 losing season. And what three winning seasons out of 7? No playoff success? Being in “contention” = limping to the finish line in the always competitive nfc east, but getting embarrassed when it counts.


He’s probably better than Marvin Lewis tho, yes. Hang your hat on the football equivalent of Cleveland saying “we’re not Detroit”

No I get you man. I'm quite embarrassed by these 8-8 seasons. This would also include last year. That win against the Eagles don't count.

When you go 8-8 and can't seem to win the big games its not a talent problem. Its a coaching issue. How many times have we seen Garrett pull defeat out of the mist of victory? I've never seen a coach that makes so many mistakes in the waning moments and still keep his job.

Frankly, I think Marvin Lewis is a little bit better coach than Garrett. He never had the talent and the QB that Garrett was blessed with. Im sure Marvin Lewis could get us over the hump of possibly winning a close game.

 

[Proof]

Okay, now name the HC's from that list that have won a Super Bowl in the past 7 seasons. Garrett and Lewis now seem to have plenty of company. After all, this is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of job. You don't get to keep your job for what you did five or more seasons ago.

Some of those brilliant Super Bowl HC's won on their second time around as a HC. Carrol and Belicek is in this group. Do you think the Browns might have regretted firing Belicek? They have had eight more HC's since then.

Every circumstance is different. Some practically walked into a ready made team. Garrett walked into a 1-7 first half season and years of caphell.

Ok remove super bowls and replace with recent and consistent playoffs/advancement? Save harbaugh who has two rings.

 

[Jake]

It was interesting during the Bengals game they threw up the list of the longest tenured HCs. 1-8 only Marvin Lewis and JG have never won a SB heck they haven’t even sniffed one.

Lewis hasn't even won a playoff game in 15 years. Compared to him, Garrett is...well...he's not Lewis.