Looking at this years draft picks

[CowboyJeff]

3-4 years ??? 10 games into their rookie seasons MAX. If they are not playing great then they are busts.....

If I could only clone you 31 times and hire those clones as General Managers of every other team, the Cowboys would be perennial Super Bowl Champions!!!! :laugh2:

 

[Vintage]

Exactly right as usual Vintage.

They're a bust when they get waived and haven't done anything. Until then I expect a learning curve. The kid will be fine.

Are we really being that unreasonable as to want to see how our players develop first before we label them a bust?

12 games is not even a full season.....Geez.


I don't get Hos....I don't get it...

 

[Ben_n_austin]

I am still very happy with our Draft Picks. I think in 2 years we'll be looking back and saying it was a good draft.

I agree.

 

[QT]

Where did I say Ireland should be fired for drafting Green?

What I said is there is a reason he is a scout and Parcells is a coach...

And you sit at home posting on a message board.

You stated that there is a reason that Ireland is a Scout. Well if I'm head scout and I draft a KR in the 4th round that didn't make the 53 man squad then gets cut again, I hope I get some kind of paycut. Then before that I draft a guy in the first round that doesn't really contribute and hope that he pans out later.

Your right, im at home posting on a message board. But this message board poster could have sat at home and drafted a better #1 pick and #4 pick.

 

[Vintage]

You stated that there is a reason that Ireland is a Scout. Well if I'm head scout and I draft a KR in the 4th round that didn't make the 53 man squad then gets cut again, I hope I get some kind of paycut. Then before that I draft a guy in the first round that doesn't really contribute and hope that he pans out later.

Your right, im at home posting on a message board. But this message board poster could have sat at home and drafted a better #1 pick and #4 pick.

You are right. With your ability of hindsight, you would be the best GM ever !11!1!!1!1!!1

You want to call him a bust? Fine. Your agenda.

As for me....I'll wait another year or two before I get there, as crazy as that may seem (you know, let your players grow....)

As for Skyler Green, he may be a bust.... but you don't strike gold with every pick.

 

[CowboyJeff]

This year's draft definitely is not as great as we all believed.

Carp: I am Ok with the pick just because he was indeed a good value when we drafted. No one can predict he could not beat out a UDFA for active roster spot. Please do not make Bradie James comparsion. Bradie was a fourth rounder and Carp was drafted in the first round!!! Wimbley/SIms of course are light years ahead of him. Even Ryans of Texas is better now.

Fasano: a wasted pick here. McNeil was the guy some of us wanted and we got cuter and traded down. SD took him and he looked like the best player coming out of the whole draft. Normally, if you draft A TE this high, you expect a lot from him (Witten was a 3rd round).

Hatcher: a good pick. really happy with the progress. I think he will be on starting lineup soon.

Green: well, he got cut

Watkins: have all the tools and lack the instincts. Gave up long TDs almost every time he started. But he is a fifth rounder....

I would give our draft a C- right now. Without Hatcher, it would be a F.

yeah, it is still the first season, but you normally at least expect some high draft picks start to show some promises.

So if Carpenter beat out #1 pick Greg Ellis or #1 pick Demarcus Ware, would they have been busts? It seems since the Cowboys are loaded at linebacker (which you need to be in a 3-4), any non-starting high draft picks would be busts.

 

[QT]

Jerry are you reading this? I would like to have a job as a Scout. I understand that you don't strike gold with every pick, but you also don't hit a lump of coal with the 1st and 4th round pick.

 

[Alexander]

This is apparently one of those drafts where we won't see immediate returns. Wait and then judge.

In a way, that is a good sign.

That means we are so good, our draft picks are not left out there to sink or swim.

 

[Pottsville Maroons]

Using the knee-jerk rationale, here are some players that were busts and should have been cut:

Carson Palmer
Steve McNair
Philip Rivers
Shaun Alexander
Larry Johnson

What's that? they all had capable players starting ahead of them? you don't say.

I am disappointed with spears' performance thus far, but shouldn't we give canty some of the same latitude that columbo has been given, since his injury prevented him from lifting, IIRC?

 

[QT]

Using the knee-jerk rationale, here are some players that were busts and should have been cut:

Carson Palmer
Steve McNair
Philip Rivers
Shaun Alexander
Larry Johnson

What's that? they all had capable players starting ahead of them? you don't say.

I am disappointed with spears' performance thus far, but shouldn't we give canty some of the same latitude that columbo has been given, since his injury prevented him from lifting, IIRC?

Those are exceptional cases. Name the players that have been labelled bust and became nothing. There are probably ALOT.

 

[AtlCB]

This year's draft definitely is not as great as we all believed.

Carp: I am Ok with the pick just because he was indeed a good value when we drafted. No one can predict he could not beat out a UDFA for active roster spot. Please do not make Bradie James comparsion. Bradie was a fourth rounder and Carp was drafted in the first round!!! Wimbley/SIms of course are light years ahead of him. Even Ryans of Texas is better now.

Sims was drafted #9 and Wimbley was drafted #13. DeMeco Ryans hasn't proven anything either. He has been horrible. Why not make the comparison with Brady James. If Carpenter turns out to be an impact player or even a solid starter in a few years, wouldn't he be worth the pick?

Fasano: a wasted pick here. McNeil was the guy some of us wanted and we got cuter and traded down. SD took him and he looked like the best player coming out of the whole draft. Normally, if you draft A TE this high, you expect a lot from him (Witten was a 3rd round).

How is Fasano a wasted pick? He is a starter and is doing a decent job blocking. Maybe we should see if he develops further before cutting the guy.

Hatcher: a good pick. really happy with the progress. I think he will be on starting lineup soon.

He is developing nicely.

Green: well, he got cut

Now this was a wasted pick.

Watkins: have all the tools and lack the instincts. Gave up long TDs almost every time he started. But he is a fifth rounder....

Watkins probably just needs time to develop. We'll see what kind of player he is in a few years.

I would give our draft a C- right now. Without Hatcher, it would be a F.

yeah, it is still the first season, but you normally at least expect some high draft picks start to show some promises.

So far, the draft has produced one starter (Fasano) and three players now playing significant backup roles (Hatcher, Carpenter, and Watkins). Not great, but not horrible either. Our draft picks so far have outproduced those from Washington and Philadelphia and are on par with the Giants.

 

[conner01]

Using the knee-jerk rationale, here are some players that were busts and should have been cut:

Carson Palmer
Steve McNair
Philip Rivers
Shaun Alexander
Larry Johnson

What's that? they all had capable players starting ahead of them? you don't say.

I am disappointed with spears' performance thus far, but shouldn't we give canty some of the same latitude that columbo has been given, since his injury prevented him from lifting, IIRC?

logic, there is no place for that here.pro bowl or bust.and we want it all the first year. no time to waste.

 

[AtlCB]

Those are exceptional cases. Name the players that have been labelled bust and became nothing. There are probably ALOT.

This is why it is too early to label most draft picks busts. Some players who are disappointments now will turn out to be great players, while some players playing well will turn out to be busts. It is just too early to tell.

 

[Hostile]

Are we really being that unreasonable as to want to see how our players develop first before we label them a bust?

12 games is not even a full season.....Geez.


I don't get Hos....I don't get it...

I honestly don't either and I can't think of one rookie that Parcells has rushed to play anyway. He's had to reluctantly play some. But he prefers they learn the pro game and his system first. The exceptions have been exceptional players like Ware. Not even Spears started right away and he was a 1st round pick. There is a such a thing as depth and there is also a good concept called development.

I'm as impatient as anyone, but you will never hear me call someone a bust like that. It's foolish at best. The people saying that will retract their statements so fast and act like they never said it.

I can't talk out of both sides of my face. I wonder if it hurts.

 

[Hostile]

This is apparently one of those drafts where we won't see immediate returns. Wait and then judge.

In a way, that is a good sign.

That means we are so good, our draft picks are not left out there to sink or swim.

Post of the day.

 

[Vintage]

Jerry, I would like to be a scout....with my l337 hindsight skillz, I'd be l337!11111!!11!!!!!11

Furthermore, I wouldn't take into account future progression. Only the first 12 games of their career would count.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DC Cowboy]

It does kind of seem that we did not quite strike gold, unlike last years.
Fasano seems like a good value at #2; Hatcher at #3 Ditto. And it does look like McQ could be a real find in the 7th. Whitley - IR- so nothing either way.
BUT
Green
Watkins
Carpenter
have to say that they have been disapointments. Carpenter is the closest to being OK, considering how stacked we are at LB.
We got Montavious back, so maybe that will turn out OK.
Green- just plain bad pick.
Watkins- still hoping but the signs are not good.

What signs about Watkins, he was/is a rookie give him time.

 

[Cochese]

Im sure if we drafted 7 players from Notre Dame, you would think it was the best draft in franchise history.

 

[Hostile]

Im sure if we drafted 7 players from Notre Dame, you would think it was the best draft in franchise history.

Who in the world are you talking to, and why are you babbling?

 

[Cochese]

Who in the world are you talking to, and why are you babbling?

The original poster.