Looking at Wade's four playoff losses

[tyke1doe]

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[The Emperor]

Emperor - very well written post.

However -- and I hate to bring this up again, but -- Wade tried to get his guy on Jason's side of the ball in Dan Reeves and that mysteriously fell apart at the last minute thanks to the untenable clause Jerry put in. I listened to the Westwood One broadcast of the Raiders game today when I was messing around the house, and Dan was pretty critical of our not running it better, and wondered why we were running so much zone blocking with our huge OL when the power, man-on-man plays were working so much better. So if he were here, I think we'd see some things done differently, especially in the run game.

But someone didn't want that.

So, who does this go back to again? It isn't Wade. It's the man up above him on the organizational chart.

Now should Wade resign in protest over the arrangement? I guess he could, but he'd probably see that as giving in, and he doesn't want to be a quitter. I'd probably feel the same way.

Oh, gosh. Don't say that. Please don't say that, man. Our greatest fears have been realized then. If what you say is true, then these Dallas Cowboys are like when you drive a car that YOU KNOW is bound to break down soon.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Bill Cowher is NOT, NOT a great coach, he is a good coach that was in a great situation for a long time. IMO, a great coach in Bill Cowher's position gets at least 3-4 superbowls at of his time in Pittsburgh with the talent he had.

I have no idea why Bill Cowher has all the sudden become so highly regarded. Some educated people think Bill is a great coach (and that is fine we all have our own little strange opinions, I for one think Flozell is still pretty dang good, but im in the minority here) but IMO, most of the people that think Bill is great are simply ignorant and only claim he is great because he is one of the four head coaches that they can name.

Proceed.

Thank You, bingo exactly!

 

[cowboyjoe]

No, I think I finally figured out where the anti-Wade crowd is coming from. I think I see their concerns finally about Wade Phillips as head coach. If he were truly the head coach, he would tell Garrett, "All right, cut it out. We're up 24-20 on these guys, and it was because of the legs of our backs and the weight of our O-Line. Pound that rock." Instead, he just accepts that Garrett is the assistant head coach and let's him have cart blanche with the offense, even when we're down to the nut-cutting.


This is where a real head coach comes into play. Seriously, what was Jimmy Johnson good at? Really, what was his specialty? Nothing. His specialty was being a leader and decision maker. He let Norv and Butch/Dave do their thing on their sides of the ball, but when it came down to the nut-cutting, he would override them and tell them what he wanted. He didn't specifically meddle, but he meddled enough that he got his way. Take the famous catch-and-run by Harper in the '92 NFC Championship game. At the beginning of that drive, Norv asked Jimmy, "What do you want to do?" Jimmy said, "I want to score!" Bing. Of course, the decision was between taking time off the clock or scoring. Jimmy wanted to score and certainly the scoring drive was not intended to be that expedient.

So, that's the conundrum with Wade Phillips. If he were really a head coach, he would override Garrett on some of those boneheaded play-calls. Of course, even if he has been, we'd never hear about it because the mediots are framing Wade Phillips as some softie who doesn't know what he's doing on the sidelines or is some kind of yes-man, but that's who the mediots are, those rats. Look what they did to my Cowboys and look what they did to my country, those scum vermin. Anyway, even if Wade were overriding Garrett, we wouldn't hear about it, and if you were to do so, it would only be because you watched the entire postgame press conference on DallasCowboys.com, not because the demons in the media told you about it.



Personally, I think the determining factors are Keith Brooking and Joe DeCamillis. They bring the personality and the leadership of the Wade Phillips system that Wade himself does not bring to the table. I really think if we still had Akin Ayodele and had Joe Marciano, for instance, as our special teams coach, we probably would be 6-5 like the Giants, maybe worse. Brooking definitely has interest in both sides of the ball, something Wade Phillips does not. And because of Brooking's contagious enthusiasm, it has spilled over onto guys like DeMarcus Ware. Can you imagine Ware going over to the sidelines when the Cowboys and Steelers were tied up at 13-13 last year and saying, "What does that name say on the back of your jersey? We've got your back; don't worry about it." Brooking, by his presence, does not hold merely the defense accountable. He's holding the team accountable.

So, the whole thing is intricately warped. It's not just a simple diagnosis. It's not "Wade sucks" or "Garrett is hopeless." No, it's as complex as a necktie, but just as simple to undo. Did you know that you can undo a necktie with one pull? Well, we can fix our problems with simple solutions. A) Garrett has to establish the run. B) Wade has to override Garrett when he's infected with too much hubris. And that's it. Those are the solutions. We don't need to fire anyone per se. We don't need to bring in Mike Holmgren or kvetch that we didn't hire Josh McDaniels or whatever. We can win with these guys. We really can, but they are going to have to make simple amendments to their strategies in order for us to succeed.

Those are my thoughts.

Now your getting to the meat of the bones! Think about this or let me remind you, when the disaster happened in Phily after the eagles slaughtered us, on the plane ride back, wade did nothing. Then, he was to chicken to be a man and tell the players how he was hurting, upset, crying all mixtures of emotions. Whatever he felt, but bottom line, he wasnt Man enough to confront the players head on. He had to go through a press conference and media and say changes are coming and it starts with him.

Then, think about the start of the season, where tampa bay is running wildly on our run blitz defense. Wade has to shore that up, then wade has to shore up the pass defense after we lost to the giants. Wade said it was my fault because in preseason i didnt work the blitz enough because i didnt want players hurt etc. Then, he has to fix the pass defense a week later, because he thought we were ok in man to man coverage but we werent.

Even brooking has to go to him with a few other defenders and tell him, we cant run these multiple defenses you want, simplify it, and we can do that.

Wade is the coach, he should know that, but he doesnt work it enough in camp etc to really know. Now, does a great head coach do that, the way some wade fans want to root for wade, does a good head coach contantly have to fix things. Think about the denver defense, that young coach had hiis defense and offense fixed and ready to go. Then, teams had to catch up to denvers offense and defense.

I just get tired of people that want to hail wade as the premier ultimate head coach of the cowboys that they have ever had. What has he done, has he ever won a playoff game? No!

Until he does, then he gets no respect from me. If you listened to his press conference, while wade was away for the bye week, best i remember, not totally sure, but wade said he learned that tony romo with witten had come back in to work on that saturday. Even romo said most of the players came back on saturday to get some extra work in when they didnt have to and some film work.

Where was wade, best i remember wade was off that whole weekend.

If im wrong im sure somebody will correct me, but i do remember romo saying that he came back and worked with some other players on saturday and got some needed work in, when they didnt have to.

Now, I wil give wade this, he slowly learns from his mistakes, while I think some of it has to do with jerry jones too. On that monday wade ran the team pretty good because some of them needed to get their legs back in shape being away for the weekend, the ones that didnt come in saturday.

Then, best i remember wade had the players in pads, something that roy williams said, used to around here with wade, the players didnt work in pads in december and most of november during the week.

I think that is some of the changes that wade said were done, and some of the things that jerry told wade that changes needed to be done in december, when basically jerry talked and wade listened, while jerry talked to the players and told them all dont get full of yourselves, etc,

wade slowly learns and adapts, but to me, a coach that has coached for 30 plus years, shouldnt need to be adapting, he should already know most of this. Not have to fix things after they break down.

 

[cowboyjoe]

haha you are going to get flamed for this, (but im with you). Also lets not blame that loss entirely on Wade, Jason Garrett needs his fair share, the play calling and offensive schemes were more than lacking.

i did say in an earlier post, that wade wasnt alone, the playcalling of jason garrett and some of the stuff that jerry jones has allowed on the team, but bottom line, the head coach is suppose to see that and fix it before it breaks down. Thats his job!

 

[cowboyjoe]

Emperor - very well written post.

However -- and I hate to bring this up again, but -- Wade tried to get his guy on Jason's side of the ball in Dan Reeves and that mysteriously fell apart at the last minute thanks to the untenable clause Jerry put in. I listened to the Westwood One broadcast of the Raiders game today when I was messing around the house, and Dan was pretty critical of our not running it better, and wondered why we were running so much zone blocking with our huge OL when the power, man-on-man plays were working so much better. So if he were here, I think we'd see some things done differently, especially in the run game.

But someone didn't want that.

So, who does this go back to again? It isn't Wade. It's the man up above him on the organizational chart.

Now should Wade resign in protest over the arrangement? I guess he could, but he'd probably see that as giving in, and he doesn't want to be a quitter. I'd probably feel the same way.

I agree with that, but like one announcer said, wade should when things arent working on offense, or like you pointed out with the run blocking, wade should go over to jason garrett and tell him, i want this and this done. Not wait till after the game is over and say in his press conference that we should have run more or whatever on offense.

Thats wade's job as Head Coach! Just like Jimmy Johnson did with his coordinators, when jimmy didnt like something he over rode them and ran what he wanted, thats what a head coach does, period

I do agree with you about jerry jones, jerry is just as much to blame as anyone, but bottom line, the head coach is the person in charge on the sideline. No matter what!

Another thing I want to point out, do you remember the arizona game, when we lost, (even all of the offensive linemen except for flozell said they stunk the place up) what did wade do that monday. He let the players have the day off because wade said, you played hard. That was a bunch of you know what. The main reason that happened, is wade was beat down, you could see it in his press conference, and wade was at a loss at what to do. So, wade let the whole team have the day off, along with getting tuesday off. Even demarcus ware showed up at a friends house on monday and he said, what are you doing here, your suppose to be at practice. Ware said, thats our coach, he gave us the day off. Then, do you remember what happened on wednesday, wade said we had to cut back on film study because we didnt do that monday. Then in the next game, the rams killed us because we werent prepared. Wade said in the press conf after the game, we got outcoached. Duh, sure you got outcoached because you let the players off, and you got that monday off too.

So, think about that, by giving the players the day off, wade got the day off too. There were other days that wade gave other days off for some players too. A fan from this board, a former buffalo bill fan said, good luck guys, because this guy wade on some fridays, he says he will go to lunch with his wife, but he wont come back the rest of the day, he is taking the afternoon off to.

Jerry Jones had enough of that taking days off, hince the clause where he wanted to instill a time clock.

Now, some of that, before some of you all get all bent out of shape, jerry jones also saw through the attempt by wade to get dan reeves on the team so he could help run the offense, something that jerry jones probably didnt want happen and jason garrrett didnt want happen.

However, wade has shown that he can get in jason garrett face, because in practice in OTAs, wade hollered at jason garrett across the field in front of the players, jason didnt like it, so wade said he would go see jerry jones.

Those are some of the problems, and jerry jones is to blame for them too, but bottom line, wade signed the contract with jerry jones, he knew what he was getting into and dont tell me he didnt. Wade saw what was happening with parcells and jerry like stuff that jerry did with T O.

But the contract was signed by wade with jerry. So, bottom line, its his job, if he doesnt like the stuff that is said about him, or lack of respect he says he doesnt get, then do something about it, do your job and win some playoff games.

Jimmy Johnson had just as rough a time as wade when jimmy was coaching in 91, but jimmy and the team went on to win a playoff game against the bears. Thats wade's job to get the cowboys to the playoffs and win some playoff games, so that jerry then can go get what wade needs to get further, like when jimmy traded for charles haley and thomas everett the next year in 92.

Just dont give me none of that stuff about wade being a better coach then Tom Landry or Jimmy Johnson, when wade has some skins on the wall in playoff wins, then he can talk and expect some respect but until he does, he has to earn it, not give it to him on a silver platter.

Wade took that 13-3 win in 2007 and boasted about his playoff win with the bye week. That wasnt in reality a playoff win against a team and we all know it. Then, wade sat on his duff and said things are fine and dont worry, and you saw what happened in 2007 and 2008. Till wade was forced to make some changes, then nothing would have happened or changed. That is who wade is. He has to be challenged and forced to do things, instead of fixing them after they are broken or not working. Wade has to earn everything he gets before you give it to him, otherwise he sits on his laurels and eats his cake, basking in his past glories like with the 13-3 season.

And honestly do some of you after some stuff i posted, do you honestly think wade is a better coach then Tom Landry or Jimmy Johnson, and that wade could have won in 1960 or 1989? If you do, your silly and only fooling yourselves. There was no talent on the cowboys team in those years. Wade had though like 13 probowlers on that roster in 2007, with about 10 number one draft picks on the roster, with about 8 # 2 draft picks on the roster. Thats a total of 18 players in the first and 2nd round in the draft. And thats not even counting Jason Witten who was drafted in the 3rd round.

This team was fully loaded with talent, but wasnt coached and prepared right.

I am not going to give any respect to a coach that blew that opportunity till he gets off of his guff and wins some playoff games now.

Just like I am not sure if you realize it or not, but we have 7 number one picks on defense with 2 players chosen in the 2nd round on our defense this year. Thats 9 players on defense.

But we have only 4 players drafted in the first round on offense, with one player hurt, and we have 3 playes chosen in the 2nd round playing. Again, thats not counting Jason Witten who was chosen in the 3rd round.

So, the defense should be awhole lot better then the offense. So, overall before you judge jason garrett, realize that wade has better talent on the defense then jason garrett does on offense.

 

[jobberone]

huge snip...................................................
Those are my thoughts.

Great post. Love the story line.

 

[cowboyjoe]

haha you are going to get flamed for this, (but im with you). Also lets not blame that loss entirely on Wade, Jason Garrett needs his fair share, the play calling and offensive schemes were more than lacking.

hey, wont be the first time i wasnt flamed and probably wont be the last;
Even best to my knowledge, when i posted some negative things about safety roy williams when he was with us, i got flamed heavy

even roy williams said at one time, there is a certain fan on cowboys zone that i want to make him eat his words. Not sure if roy was talking about me or not, but roy never made me eat my words, he had to eat his words

There were several other fans that were saying the same thing about roy williams the safety too,

 

[Cowboys79]

He is a good coach look at his win loss record in Dallas. He may not have won a playoff game yet but 30 wins is pretty darn good in his time here.

 

[cowboyjoe]

He is a good coach look at his win loss record in Dallas. He may not have won a playoff game yet but 30 wins is pretty darn good in his time here.

The reason that he has those wins is because of the talent based on the roster. If he had coached in 1960 or in 1989 like some of you thought he is a superior coach-not he would have a worse record of wins.

thats the point im trying to drive home, when he had John Elway or Flutie did he do any better when wade coached those teams, no. In fact shanahan came in and got the broncoes to 2 superbowls, something that good ole wade couldnt do. Thats my point!

 

[dbair1967]

Bill Cowher is NOT, NOT a great coach, he is a good coach that was in a great situation for a long time. IMO, a great coach in Bill Cowher's position gets at least 3-4 superbowls at of his time in Pittsburgh with the talent he had.

I have no idea why Bill Cowher has all the sudden become so highly regarded. Some educated people think Bill is a great coach (and that is fine we all have our own little strange opinions, I for one think Flozell is still pretty dang good, but im in the minority here) but IMO, most of the people that think Bill is great are simply ignorant and only claim he is great because he is one of the four head coaches that they can name.

Proceed.

Oh I agree 100%, Cowher is one of the most overrated coaches of the super bowl era IMO. But so many in CZ seem to think he's some elite coach, when in fact he clearly isnt.

 

[dbair1967]

I get the impression Jerry is a big fan of the big passing game. Big, entertaining plays that appeal to casual fans, who find grind it out football boring.

I was talking to someone who doesn't care or know much about football and that's his mindset: it's boring, but for the huge pass plays. Jerry's a business man, he wants to rope everybody in.

Considering he watched us dominate the league in the early to mid 90's with the league's all time leader in rush yards at RB, I'd say this is b/s.

Jerry wants ratings, but he knows wins generate ratings more than anything else, and wins generate attendence more than anything else.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Oh I agree 100%, Cowher is one of the most overrated coaches of the super bowl era IMO. But so many in CZ seem to think he's some elite coach, when in fact he clearly isnt.

I'm not sure one of them, Ok stand up and be counted
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