Looking back, was Bledsoe that much of an upgrade?

[superpunk]

So thats 34 TO's to 28 thats the thing I was looking for.

No. It's not. It's 25 TOs to 24.

 

[wileedog]

The thread is kind of moot, as Vinny was 41 years old and clearly wore out as the season progressed. Upgrade or not, he needed to be replaced with someone younger.

Even if Bledsoe was the 'same' guy with better talent around him, he was also 8 years younger. Whatever your opinion of either QB, it was a move that had to made strictly on age factors. And honestly I have yet to see anyone offer a better alternative than signing Drew in the 2005 offseason. We would be having this same argument about Warner or Collins had we gone in that direction.

As has been mentioned, both were bandaids and were pretty much signed to be such. I honestly don't think even Bill had fantasies about Bledsoe leading us to a SB with a ton of rookies on defense. He was just here to tide us over until Romo was ready.

 

[Zaxor]

More TDs, more wins, less INTs, 4 more lost fumbles (it's quaint to list total fumbles, but ultimately meaningless if they're not lost). The numbers for Bledsoe were better. Everything else is speculation on your part, as to whether Vinny "might" have done more.

more TD's with a better defense makes for more wins (you continue to not include this in your evaluation when counting the wins)

shows what you know if they are all drive stoppers..

those "numbers".... what numbers were better?...(yards? meaningless)

Td's? he should have had WAY more with the weapons he had at his disposal but he barely had more...

Vinny played catch up because of the defense and we had no threat for the run so it is pretty understandable that he had more ints but that bledsoe was so close to matching it with a so much better supporting cast is disgusting....

so what numbers are you talking about

 

[iceberg]

yes, he was a major upgrade. So what does that have to do with anything?

a major upgrade to what category? turnovers and bounce passes?

he damn sure can't squat more than vinnie, that's for sure!!!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Vinny in 04? What? Washington? The only other game Vinny came close to taking the team on his back for a W was Detroit, and he threw three picks in that game.

Were talking about performance as opposed to what the team did right? I mean, you've already established the fact that the over all team doesn't matter. Doesn't matter that Bledsoe played on a more talented team in 05. Matters what they did.

Well, if you look at Vinnie's numbers in the first 7 games, which is about the time he had with Glenn before Glenn got hurt, here is what they look like.

Minn 50/29, 58%, 355 yds, 1TD/0INT, 86.7 QBRT.
CLE 35/23, 65.7%, 322 yds, 1TD/3INT, 69.0 QBRT.
WAS 29/14. 48.3%, 214 yds, 1TD/0INT, 84.6 QBRT.
NYG 24/15, 62.5%, 126 yds, 1TD/1INT, 72.6 QBRT.
PIT 36/23, 63.9%, 284 yds, 1TD/1INT, 97.5 QBRT.
GB 35/23, 65.7%, 308 yds, 1TD/0INT, 103.0 QBRT.
DET 24/19, 79.2%, 235 yds, 3TD/3INT, 107.5 QBRT.

Now, combined, those numbers work out to the following.

236/146, 61.9%, 1844 yds, 263 per game, 9TDs/8INTs, 88.7QBRT.

I'd say those numbers would suggest that the statement I made about Vinnie's early play have substance.

 

[superpunk]

more TD's with a better defense makes for more wins (you continue to not include this in your evaluation when counting the wins)

Maybe this is because the pilers-on ignore that Vinny's run game was better. Or that we converted a greater percentage of third downs with Bledsoe, which led to more time on the field for the offense, which led to a better defense, which led to us being near the top in TOP. See how it's all intertwined?

shows what you know if they are all drive stoppers..

Yeah. Shows what I know. They're all the same. How could I possibly think one was worse when it is actually, you know, a turnover? I'm crazy I guess.

More TDs. More wins. Less INTs. With a worse Oline and a less effective run game. You can speculate all day whether or not Vinny would have done more. But as QBs for the Dallas Cowboys, Bledsoe outperformed him in nearly every statistical category, including wins. Vinny never put the team on his back, like Bledsoe did, in games where our statistically superior defense layed an absolute egg. Not once. Not even close. That says it all for me, and that will be my last thought in this thread. Bledsoe was a more dynamic threat, and did more. There is no possible rationalization for thinking VInny peformed better, besides speculation based on prejudice. That's just not for me.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Should I answer this, or order you to shut up about it? Tough decision....



Regularity? Did I claim that? Really? Could you direct me to this claim? Because if you find it, I will be sure to back it up.

For you, I'm sure most decision fall into the "Tough" catagory. Having said that, perhaps you should put it to the board and let them answer it for you.

If it is more to your liking, remove the Regularity part and simply answer the question. You have made mentioned of Bledsoe putting the team on his back and winning games. Be so kind as to provide me with the times he did this in 05. I'm just hanging on your every word here.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The thread is kind of moot, as Vinny was 41 years old and clearly wore out as the season progressed. Upgrade or not, he needed to be replaced with someone younger.

Even if Bledsoe was the 'same' guy with better talent around him, he was also 8 years younger. Whatever your opinion of either QB, it was a move that had to made strictly on age factors. And honestly I have yet to see anyone offer a better alternative than signing Drew in the 2005 offseason. We would be having this same argument about Warner or Collins had we gone in that direction.

As has been mentioned, both were bandaids and were pretty much signed to be such. I honestly don't think even Bill had fantasies about Bledsoe leading us to a SB with a ton of rookies on defense. He was just here to tide us over until Romo was ready.

I agree with the premise of this post. Age was a factor. I don't agree that there were not other options available to us but I think the point is moot. We now have Romo and I"m very happy to see that all the frog kissing just might have been worth it.

 

[superpunk]

For you, I'm sure most decision fall into the "Tough" catagory.

Back to the insults. I like you, you're cute.

If it is more to your liking, remove the Regularity part and simply answer the question. You have made mentioned of Bledsoe putting the team on his back and winning games. Be so kind as to provide me with the times he did this in 05. I'm just hanging on your every word here.

It's been done. I'm done with the topic. You can search the thread for my thoughts on Bledsoe's taking the team on his back. But you probably already did that after your "with regularity" stunt.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Were talking about performance as opposed to what the team did right? I mean, you've already established the fact that the over all team doesn't matter. Doesn't matter that Bledsoe played on a more talented team in 05. Matters what they did.

Well, if you look at Vinnie's numbers in the first 7 games, which is about the time he had with Glenn before Glenn got hurt, here is what they look like.

Minn 50/29, 58%, 355 yds, 1TD/0INT, 86.7 QBRT.
CLE 35/23, 65.7%, 322 yds, 1TD/3INT, 69.0 QBRT.
WAS 29/14. 48.3%, 214 yds, 1TD/0INT, 84.6 QBRT.
NYG 24/15, 62.5%, 126 yds, 1TD/1INT, 72.6 QBRT.
PIT 36/23, 63.9%, 284 yds, 1TD/1INT, 97.5 QBRT.
GB 35/23, 65.7%, 308 yds, 1TD/0INT, 103.0 QBRT.
DET 24/19, 79.2%, 235 yds, 3TD/3INT, 107.5 QBRT.

Now, combined, those numbers work out to the following.

236/146, 61.9%, 1844 yds, 263 per game, 9TDs/8INTs, 88.7QBRT.

I'd say those numbers would suggest that the statement I made about Vinnie's early play have substance.

Bravo ABQ!

Nice stuff.

Maybe it'll make some here realize (unlikely-- you know that "head trauma" thing) that Vinny wasn't "Ryan Leaf" and Bledsoe wasn't exactly "Johny U"

 

[superpunk]

Bravo ABQ!

Nice stuff.

Maybe it'll make some here realize (unlikely-- you know that "head trauma" thing) that Vinny wasn't "Ryan Leaf" and Bledsoe wasn't exactly "Johny U"

You realize Bledsoe murders those numbers with a decent Oline in 05, don't you? Wait....nevermind.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Back to the insults. I like you, you're cute.



It's been done. I'm done with the topic. You can search the thread for my thoughts on Bledsoe's taking the team on his back. But you probably already did that after your "with regularity" stunt.

Don't get your hopes up, I'm spoken for.


Your done? No, certainly not you. Your like a bad penny. You always seem to show up. No matter, I'm not surprised that your done with this conversation. Actually, I don't blame you.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

You realize Bledsoe murders those numbers with a decent Oline in 05, don't you? Wait....nevermind.

Thats your opinion.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You realize Bledsoe murders those numbers with a decent Oline in 05, don't you? Wait....nevermind.

You realize your done right?

 

[superpunk]

Thats your opinion.

It's not opinion. It's the opposite of that. Like fact or something.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

It's not opinion. It's the opposite of that. Like fact or something.

OK answer this, is it possible to assemble a good O-line for Bledsoe without bringing 5 Hal of Famers out of retirement

 

[iceberg]

You realize Bledsoe murders those numbers with a decent Oline in 05, don't you? Wait....nevermind.

wasn't this the same line in 06 with flo being back that shoudla fixed everything?

sorry - i just saw an argument i wasn't a part of and i had to chime in. i'm done now. : )

to me drew saw romo coming and was trying too hard to be more than he was. forcing things he didn't force the year before. drews play falls on drew and drew alone if you leave the line out. put it in and that's parcells fault for not studding it out as needed for drew. together that was just a bad move.

 

[iceberg]

Don't get your hopes up, I'm spoken for.

oh ruin all our day now!!!

 

[superpunk]

OK answer this, is it possible to assemble a good O-line for Bledsoe without bringing 5 Hal of Famers out of retirement

Do you consider Adams, Pettiti, Allen (2005 Larry ) Rivera and Johnson as 5 hall of famers?

If not - then yes it's possible.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

oh ruin all our day now!!!

Well, OK, so maybe my wife got the short end of that deal.