Looking back, was Bledsoe that much of an upgrade?

[JIGGYFLY]

And a worse Oline and a less effective run game.

Eddie George and Anthony Thomas and Torrin Tucker at right tackle yeah thats worst:laugh2:

 

[superpunk]

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Eddie George and Anthony Thomas and Torrin Tucker at right tackle yeah thats worst:laugh2:

Did I say worse? Or did I say less effective?

Which number is greater? 3.9? Or 3.6?

The Oline was absolutely worse.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

And a worse Oline and a less effective run game.

Vinny's oline:

Adams
Allen
Johnson
Gurode
Tucker

his RB's:

Eddie George
J. Jones (for part of season only)

Terry Glenn was gone for most of the season
Key was gone for a few games

At RCB we had:

Peter Hunter
Lance Frazier
(and a slew of other losers)

At DE we had:

Marcellus Wiley


Yeah, Vinny was playing with much better talent...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Morning ABQ.

Yes, excellent... and yours?

Nice Mike. Was good to have a few days off and relax. Hope you were able to have a speak with your daughter. I know that sometimes that is not always possible.

 

[Zaxor]

Did I say worse? Or did I say less effective?

Which number is greater? 3.9? Or 3.6?

The Oline was absolutely worse.

that is because other teams respected the pass more with Vinny and didn't just all line up in a bunch on the line of scrimmage like they did with deadslow

 

[Cbz40]

Vinny's oline:

Adams
Allen
Johnson
Gurode
Tucker

his RB's:

Eddie George
J. Jones (for part of season only)

Terry Glenn was gone for most of the season
Key was gone for a few games

At RCB we had:

Peter Hunter
Lance Frazier
(and a slew of other losers)

At DE we had:

Marcellus Wiley


Yeah, Vinny was playing with much better talent...

Game, set, match...... End of story.....

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Did I say worse? Or did I say less effective?

Which number is greater? 3.9? Or 3.6?

The Oline was absolutely worse.

Look at the monster numbers JJ put up at the end of the year it makes that number look even worse.

OK .3 makes that much of a difference You have yet to answer the question of the weapons he had to work

 

[superpunk]

Vinny's oline:

Adams
Allen
Johnson
Gurode
Tucker

his RB's:

Eddie George
J. Jones (for part of season only)

Terry Glenn was gone for most of the season
Key was gone for a few games

At RCB we had:

Peter Hunter
Lance Frazier
(and a slew of other losers)

At DE we had:

Marcellus Wiley


Yeah, Vinny was playing with much better talent...

The defense has nothing to do with Vinny throwing 3 more INTs and 6 less TDs.

The offensive line was worse. Tucker and pettiti is the worst tackle tandem in NFL history. The RBs were more talented, but because of the pathetic Oline, less effective.

I don't know why I bother. I'm not going to get rational thought from you when it comes to Bledsoe. He was better than Vinny. That's clear from the stats, and to anyone with unbiased eyes.

 

[Cbz40]

No... Bledsoe was worse but there will be people that will argue that but they don't have any proof of it... in fact... if anything you can say Bledsoe had better receivers a better line and a better defense and with all that he produce just about the same numbers...

in vinny's time... there was for the most part no JuJo, no Terry Glenn and Key was playing on a knee so bad it need surgery but he put himself at risk to play the rest of the season on one wheel...no marion Barber...he had an awful AL johnson at center a very bad larry allen at guard a very bad Flo at LT a even worse torrin tucker at right tackle and a totally lost gurode at guard.. he had eddie george and anthony thomas as his RB's and some WR named morgan who was gotten in a trade for bryant or was it a price that he had anyway neither could play a lick

and lets not even get into that awful defense... and the awful punter & kicker...

Vinny did a much better job.... but like I said there are those who will tell you different but don't listen cause they haven't a clue or anything to base it upon but their lying (to themselves) eyes.

Morning my friend

You dadgum trouble maker.........

 

[superpunk]

that is because other teams respected the pass more with Vinny and didn't just all line up in a bunch on the line of scrimmage like they did with deadslow

Which would explain why the run game has been worse now with Romo than with Bledsoe. It's all clear, and it's all Bledsoe's fault.

Give me a break.

 

[chinch]

he was an upgrade, but a minor one over Vinny. you can point to a few self-inflicted big hits also that drew took where his play really tailed off... two goal-line runs i recall one last year mid-season and this year preseason vs minny.

its hard to say if Romo could have started last year instead of Drew and been effective, but i'm thinking the extra year on the bench helped tony.

 

[superpunk]

he was an upgrade, but a minor one over Vinny. you can point to a few self-inflicted big hits also that drew took where his play really tailed off... two goal-line runs i recall one last year mid-season and this year preseason vs minny.

its hard to say if Romo could have started last year instead of Drew and been effective, but i'm thinking the extra year on the bench helped tony.

It wasn't huge - I agree. But he was better. Vinny consistently threw terrible INTs, and Bledsoe would too, but Bledsoe also took the team on his back some games, and Vinny was never capable of that.

 

[joseephuss]

I would say minor upgrade......we was going nowhere with either.

Exactly. Neither guy was capable of leading Dallas to the post season. Put either one on the team this season and they are both the weak link in the chain. We already saw that with Bledsoe at the beginning of the season. Vinny would not have fared better.

Drew is the better QB between the two. That really does not mean that much. Just some number to throw out there. In 6 wins Vinny's QB rating was 77.4 and in 10 losses it was 75.9. Both numbers are less than average. He wasn't the main problem that Dallas lost, but he also wasn't helping the team win. In 9 wins in 2005, Drew had a QB rating of 105.0 while in the 7 losses his rating was 59.8. He played a good part in the wins and was a major culprit in the losses.

I am glad neither is the QB right now and I didn't like it when they were. It was embarrassing.

 

[superpunk]

Exactly. Neither guy was capable of leading Dallas to the post season. Put either one on the team this season and they are both the weak link in the chain. We already saw that with Bledsoe at the beginning of the season. Vinny would not have fared better.

Drew is the better QB between the two. That really does not mean that much. Just some number to throw out there. In 6 wins Vinny's QB rating was 77.4 and in 10 losses it was 75.9. Both numbers are less than average. He wasn't the main problem that Dallas lost, but he also wasn't helping the team win. In 9 wins in 2005, Drew had a QB rating of 105.0 while in the 7 losses his rating was 59.8. He played a good part in the wins and was a major culprit in the losses.

I am glad neither is the QB right now and I didn't like it when they were. It was embarrassing.

Great summary.

 

[stealth]

stats aside that I didn't need to see that moron vinny in his used car salesman sleazy suits and attitude representing my team made bledsoe a huge upgrade in my mind. Vinny and those stupid hats in press conferences blaming someone else for why we lost drove me crazy.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The defense has nothing to do with Vinny throwing 3 more INTs and 6 less TDs.

The offensive line was worse. Tucker and pettiti is the worst tackle tandem in NFL history. The RBs were more talented, but because of the pathetic Oline, less effective.

I don't know why I bother. I'm not going to get rational thought from you when it comes to Bledsoe. He was better than Vinny. That's clear from the stats, and to anyone with unbiased eyes.

I don't agree either.

Defense was much better for Bledsoe IMO. His overall supporting cast was better offensively, IMO. Rational thought would suggest that his win lose would be better simply because the supporting cast was better. Statistically, he should be light years better. IMO, Vinnie was signed as a back up for Carter who could step in and start games for you. Bledsoe was signed to win a championship. The numbers between the two are not all that different IMO. To me, you factor in the money spent, the time spent and Bledsoe was worse by far.

In the end, it really doesn't matter. It looks as if we have our future starter at QB and we are getting stronger and stronger week to week.

I'd say all's well that ends well.

 

[Cbz40]

Exactly. Neither guy was capable of leading Dallas to the post season. Put either one on the team this season and they are both the weak link in the chain. We already saw that with Bledsoe at the beginning of the season. Vinny would not have fared better.

Drew is the better QB between the two. That really does not mean that much. Just some number to throw out there. In 6 wins Vinny's QB rating was 77.4 and in 10 losses it was 75.9. Both numbers are less than average. He wasn't the main problem that Dallas lost, but he also wasn't helping the team win. In 9 wins in 2005, Drew had a QB rating of 105.0 while in the 7 losses his rating was 59.8. He played a good part in the wins and was a major culprit in the losses.

I am glad neither is the QB right now and I didn't like it when they were. It was embarrassing.

As I said earlier in the thread....Bandaids They both were.

Thank GAWD we can move on.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

It wasn't huge - I agree. But he was better. Vinny consistently threw terrible INTs, and Bledsoe would too, but Bledsoe also took the team on his back some games, and Vinny was never capable of that.

What games were that? I think the fact that Morgan and a hurt Key were his top receivers had something to do with that.

 

[stealth]

What games were that? I think the fact that Morgan and a hurt Key were his top receivers had something to do with that.

last season drew had a couple games where I just said wow, He really did take the team on his shoulders and get us a win. There were no wow moment's with vinny. I can't point to a specific game or play cause I don't write a journal to track the team I just know I at times last season was very proud that drew was out there doing the star a service. This season I felt so badly for drew cause somehow or another he had lost that something that he had last year.

 

[superpunk]

I don't agree either.

Defense was much better for Bledsoe IMO. His overall supporting cast was better offensively, IMO. Rational thought would suggest that his win lose would be better simply because the supporting cast was better. Statistically, he should be light years better. IMO, Vinnie was signed as a back up for Carter who could step in and start games for you. Bledsoe was signed to win a championship. The numbers between the two are not all that different IMO. To me, you factor in the money spent, the time spent and Bledsoe was worse by far.

In the end, it really doesn't matter. It looks as if we have our future starter at QB and we are getting stronger and stronger week to week.

I'd say all's well that ends well.

How many times does it need to be said, that you can have all the talent in the world at receiver, if you're not protected, it doesn't matter. All that extra talent at receiver (read: Terry Glenn) doesn't matter if there's no time. The tackles neutralized any additional offensive talent. Add the inept run game to it, and it's pretty good that Bledsoe's numbers were even the decent level he finished with. He was better. Not much, but better.