Looking back: Was it a mistake not to go back to Romo

[SultanOfSix]

You're jumbling the words of the rule to get the result you want, not according to how they're written in black and white. Everyone who's weighed in doesn't dispute that Dez did a) and b). But if he doesn't do c) and he's going to the ground in the process of making the catch, then those rules apply and even there you're bending those rules to suit your case. What you leave out is the part stating the player "must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground." Sorry, but dead in the water right there but it further clarifies that if possession is ever lost and the ball ever touches the ground (not the player, lol) before a player regains control (regains because he lost it at some point) the pass is incomplete. What are you not seeing here? All Dez had to do was keep the ball off the ground. He could have bobbled it 10 times or had it leave his hands like it did and it still would have been a catch. Even if the ball hit the ground and Dez tightly controlled it "throughout the process of contacting the ground" it would have been a catch. But he tried to do too much.

And I already showed you where the Items override the main catch rule. When the main rule isn't or can't be satisfied. Then the Items kick in and nothing done in the main rule matters anymore. Once those tags are applied, those rules apply, barring everything else. Want more proof? Here's the guy that was in charge when the Calvin Johnson play happened. Think he doesn't know how the rules apply? This was after the Jesse James play that got the rule changed.



So if he's wrong here, show it. If there's a media expose saying he's wrong here, show it. Where's the media expose saying Dez did catch it by the rules and the NFL covered things up? Why don't those exist outside of Cowboys fans writing articles? So if CONSPIRACY! is the response to all this data, then you have no response, only the end of your rope because there's no proof available. Therefore, insert a hazy conspiracy that conveniently needs no proof. That's known as an excuse to the lay person.

I'm not jumbling nor bending anything. I'm explaining what the rule says and how its meaning applies to the intricacies of the play in its context. The words: "must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground". At what point does that start and what point does that end? Isn't it when his feet touch the ground? At what point does Dez lose control of the ball and not regain control of it through that act? At what point is Dez down, because he was touched by the defender and his right forearm hit even before the loss of disputable control occurred? The only even disputable part to that sentence (of him not maintaining control) after securing it after the initial bobble, is part of the ball touching the ground when he reached for the goal line, but he still had control of it at that point with it secured in his arm. It was only through the rest of the process of contacting the ground after that did he lose control of the ball such that one could see a visible bobble in the air and he still possessed it before it hit the ground while he was in the process of contacting the ground whenever that even ends.

No you didn't show me where the Items "overrode" anything in the rules. You just assumed that they did and tried to interpret their meaning to imply that they did, i.e., begging the question.

And he did c) anyway. He caught the ball, switched the ball from both hands into one, made two steps with the ball and did an attempted reach for the goal line with the ball cradled in his left forearm and his wrist up with an attempted shoulder motion that signified it. The notion that he didn't is completely disputable, making the requirement that there must be indisputable evidence for it to be overturned unmet.

 

[khiladi]

Jimmy Johnson benched Beurlein and started Aikman. No, Jimmy wouldn’t have gone with Dak. Plus, no coach doesn’t play their best player on the possibility he may get hurt again. They go with what the doctors say.

Romo had multiple weeks to get ready in practice, had the Eagles game to actually work with the starters minus Elliott and a bye week to prepare, even with the simplified offense Linehan installed for Dak. The Eagles already demonstrates their respect for Romo that as soon as he came in, they changed their defense, dropping into coverage.

People forget this team wasted two additional years on the Dak experiment, including Dak-friendly offense that was meant for Dak’s ability to ‘spread the ball around’ and not force the ball to Dez supposedly. Dak even said he didn’t need a number 1 WR.

Last year Dak was able to take advantage of man coverage on the outside he was seeing all the time to a considerable extent, but that’s what any average NFL QB should do straight up, not take four years to do it, especially with his pass protection and the respect for the running game.

And they had the second ranked OL both in run and pass blocking according to Football Outsiders and if there was any predictability in play-calling it was the play calling Zeke dealt with meaning, Dallas consistently had him running into defenses that were set running on him.

and the Rams game proved who the motor of the offense was once again. Zeke dominated the Rams and that line with AD got no pressure on Dak because of how Zeke wore down that front and Pollard was allowed to play clean up. They rushed for 263 rushing yards and that’s the game that ended their losing streak. Before that Dak was padding air stats against the Bears in a loss in prevent time and getting outplayed by MT.

 

[OmerV]

Jimmy Johnson benched Beurlein and started Aikman. No, Jimmy wouldn’t have gone with Dak. Plus, no coach doesn’t play their best player on the possibility he may get hurt again. They go with what the doctors say.

Romo had multiple weeks to get ready in practice, had the Eagles game to actually work with the starters minus Elliott and a bye week to prepare, even with the simplified offense Linehan installed for Dak. The Eagles already demonstrates their respect for Romo that as soon as he came in, they changed their defense, dropping into coverage.

People forget this team wasted two additional years on the Dak experiment, including Dak-friendly. Last year he was able to take advantage of man coverage on the outside he was seeing all the time to a considerable extent, but that’s what any average NFL QB should do straight up.

Aikman was only 24 and planned as the QB for the next 10 years, and Beuerlein had only started 4 games.

Not exactly apples to apples where Romo was 11 years older than Aikman was, had been injured in 3 of the previous 5 games he played, and Dak had started around 10 games before Romo was deemed healthy.

 

[khiladi]

Aikman was only 24 and planned as the QB for the next 10 years, and Beuerlein had only started 4 games.

Not exactly apples to apples where Romo was 11 years older than Aikman was, had been injured in 3 of the previous 5 games he played, and Dak had started around 10 games before Romo was deemed healthy.

It is apples to apples if it was about win streaks. Again, no coach makes a decision on possibility of injury. Fans wanted Jimmy to stay with Steve who got them into the playoffs, but no. He went with Troy irrespective of the fact that Steve was the reason they actually even made the playoffs on that run.

And the last injury of Romo, besides any QB Would get injured the same way because of the shear force, was in training camp, Romo hadn’t even started practicing because of the surgery, was overweight because of the surgery and couldn’t rehab until late, unlike when he was able to start after game 10. And he awkwardly slid going half-speed because it was training camp and he was still chubby and overweight.

the doctors cleared Romo to play in regular season, and health had nothing to do with the decision by this organization. They in fact were saying for weeks that he would play when 100% healthy, which he was, and wouldn’t rush him back. It was nothing like the training camp injury where Romo couldn’t even work out a large part of the off-season while resting. By week 10, Romo was skinny and had plenty of bounce.

 

[starfan1]

Aikman was only 24 and planned as the QB for the next 10 years, and Beuerlein had only started 4 games.

Not exactly apples to apples where Romo was 11 years older than Aikman was, had been injured in 3 of the previous 5 games he played, and Dak had started around 10 games before Romo was deemed healthy.

logic dont apply in here. Romo is god! Romo got screwed! romo can best Chuck Norris with one hand. Romo never did anything wrong it was always someone else fault.

 

[G2]

If you ask the players on the time at the time they would tell you they'd rather stay with the hot hand than chance it with Romo. Players are not only superstitious, but they also are aware how short a career is and they may not even be on the roster the following season. In other words, seize the opportunity.

Life isn't about "what ifs."

 

[OmerV]

It is apples to apples if it was about win streaks. Again, no coach makes a decision on possibility of injury. Fans wanted Jimmy to stay with Steve who got them into the playoffs, but no. He went with Troy irrespective of the fact that Steve was the reason they actually even made the playoffs on that run.

And the last injury of Romo, besides any QB Would get injured the same way because of the shear force, was in training camp, Romo hadn’t even started practicing because of the surgery, was overweight because of the surgery and couldn’t rehab until late, unlike when he was able to start after game 10. And he awkwardly slid going half-speed because it was training camp.

the doctors cleared Romo to play, and health had nothing to do with the decision by this organization. They in fact were saying for weeks that he would play when 100% healthy, which he was, and wouldn’t rush him back.

It wasn't only about win streaks, and even if it was, 4 straight wins is not apples to apples with 11 straight wins.

And, regardless of reasons/excuses (depends on who is twisting the narrative), Romo had been hurt in 3 of his previous 5 games. I can't recall that happening to any other QB on any team at any point in time. If he had been 25 instead of 35, or if the team had had great success getting to and winning in the postseason, the team likely would have taken a different approach, but things were winding down for Romo anyway, and with his continuing issue with injuries and Dak's success in 2016, that made for any entirely different situation than Aikman was in.

 

[OmerV]

logic dont apply in here. Romo is god! Romo got screwed! romo can best Chuck Norris with one hand. Romo never did anything wrong it was always someone else fault.

I personally have no problem with Romo. He was a good QB, and if a few things had gone a little differently here and there he could have had more success getting to and doing well in the post season. But he wasn't Brady or Manning, he was getting older, was having problems staying healthy, and his career was winding down anyway. IF someone believes Romo should have been put back in, that's okay, but to not even see there was a reasonable basis for the decision that was made is hard to imagine.

 

[starfan1]

I personally have no problem with Romo. He was a good QB, and if a few things had gone a little differently here and there he could have had more success getting to and doing well in the post season. But he wasn't Brady or Manning, he was getting older, was having problems staying healthy, and his career was winding down anyway. IF someone believes Romo should have been put back in, that's okay, but to not even see there was a reasonable basis for the decision that was made is hard to imagine.

I dont have a problem with him either necessarily but I do have an issue with over the top Fans that wont acknowledge he played a role in the futility. I grew tired of the excuses years ago. did he get a raw deal perhaps but this notion that he was never given quality talent is false and when he finally figured things out his body broke. Not a chance you make a different decision in 2016.It was absolutely the right one. He unfortunately can put on his tombstone."I played for Jerry and Garrett"

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

logic dont apply in here. Romo is god! Romo got screwed! romo can best Chuck Norris with one hand. Romo never did anything wrong it was always someone else fault.

Sounds a lot like what you read about Dak at times.

 

[OmerV]

Sounds a lot like what you read about Dak at times.

There can be a lack of reason on either side of any issue. Unfortunately the most vocal are often the ones that take the extreme and less reasonable views.

 

[G2]

It wasn't only about win streaks, and even if it was, 4 straight wins is not apples to apples with 11 straight wins.

And, regardless of reasons/excuses (depends on who is twisting the narrative), Romo had been hurt in 3 of his previous 5 games. I can't recall that happening to any other QB on any team at any point in time. If he had been 25 instead of 35, or if the team had had great success getting to and winning in the postseason, the team likely would have taken a different approach, but things were winding down for Romo anyway, and with his continuing issue with injuries and Dak's success in 2016, that made for any entirely different situation than Aikman was in.

Makes sense that Romo chose to retire and seek a different profession. His body just wasn't holding up and that's not reliable. Anyone convinced Romo would have gotten us further are not being realistic. And some just don't like Prescott, so literally any other option would be attractive to them. Fortunately, the staff and team understood this and kept Prescott playing.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Would the team have won if Romo was the starter? We'll never know the answer to that question but we do know the answer to the question of, could we have won if the team stuck with Dak? The answer is no.

Physically, Dak was healthier, there is no question there. As far as just being the better QB at the time, Tony was far and away better. Today, right now, Tony is better then what I saw from Dak last year. That's not a knock, it's just the truth.

Of Course, I believe that Troy was better then Tony ever was. I believe that Roger was better then Troy. It is what it is.

 

[pete026]

No, Romo never demanded the same compensation as Dakota is demanding. Dakota is demanding to become the HIGHEST paid player in the NFL. At Romos peak he was still just the 6th highest paid player and that was just for the 2013 season.........non-rhetorically speaking

All the other years he wasn't even in the top 25 highest paid players, however because he was lucky enough to work in the great state of Texas where he was able to avoid state tax and was able to see more of his money than other players paid at a higher salary elsewhere........rhetorically speaking.

Please don't ignore me, It would be more than one could bear.

Should have followed my own advice because I knew you wouldn't.

Just like you to speak absolutes using hypotheticals but that is common in these parts. Show me your source that spoke directly with Dak or his agent and heard them ask for Dak to be the highest paid player in the league?

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I dont have a problem with him either necessarily but I do have an issue with over the top Fans that wont acknowledge he played a role in the futility. I grew tired of the excuses years ago. did he get a raw deal perhaps but this notion that he was never given quality talent is false and when he finally figured things out his body broke. Not a chance you make a different decision in 2016.It was absolutely the right one. He unfortunately can put on his tombstone."I played for Jerry and Garrett"

“It was absolutely the right one.” It worked out perfectly, didn’t it? Another CowboysZone space cadet has spoken.

 

[khiladi]

It wasn't only about win streaks, and even if it was, 4 straight wins is not apples to apples with 11 straight wins.

And, regardless of reasons/excuses (depends on who is twisting the narrative), Romo had been hurt in 3 of his previous 5 games. I can't recall that happening to any other QB on any team at any point in time. If he had been 25 instead of 35, or if the team had had great success getting to and winning in the postseason, the team likely would have taken a different approach, but things were winding down for Romo anyway, and with his continuing issue with injuries and Dak's success in 2016, that made for any entirely different situation than Aikman was in.

Again, the team was explicitly saying that Romo would return when ready and cleared. No team doesn’t play their best player under ‘possibility’ he may get injured and that isn’t what was coming from the team either. And Romo had plenty of time to get ready and his last injury, as stated had nothing to do with being Romo, as I stated before. The shear force of a LB from behind on any QB in that compromised sitting position, which only happened because he was fat and out of shape and slid awkwardly on the grass, would have created the same issue too. Every spine doctor in articles about his injury said that would be common. Plus they said it wouldn’t prevent further playing. This wasn’t like LVE neck injury with a fused vertebrae, which apparently everybody thinks is less of an issue than say, the shaved clavicle of Romo.

The shaved clavicle surgery was similar to AR, meaning preventative. That had no bearing on his long term career, but in fact was done for lengthening it. And QBs are even more protected now with the rules and what is clear is we lost our SB window, making this offense “Dak-friendly”.

No, it was not an ENTIRELY different situation. It was specifically about win streaks and success in the playoffs. Aikman’s long term career had ZERO to do with starting that play-off game. Again, it was because Steve won that they even made the playoffs. Fans didn’t even want Troy to start, because of they didn’t want to jeopardize the playoff run. Everybody was looking at the NOW.

 

[starfan1]

“It was absolutely the right one.” It worked out perfectly, didn’t it? Another CowboysZone space cadet has spoken.

I figured Id get a troll or 2 to respond not surprised you were 1. The story has many more chapters to write unfortunately Romo's book was done.And had it been decided another way well we already know how romo fares against the packers and rodgers

 

[starfan1]

Sounds a lot like what you read about Dak at times.

youre not wrong but its been happening with romo since 2006

 

[khiladi]

Dak NEVER played with Jason Garrett as OC. His staunch supporters love to use that as an excuse, but the offense that was successful in 2016 was built off the Romo-Linehan 2014 version, with its running game, after Jerry officially banned Jason Garrett from being anywhere near the offense. Garrett didn’t even allow Romo in game-planning meetings until Jerry forced it from on top with the “Peyton Manning-like responsibilities” with the new contract in 2013. That was the year Jerry specifically said changes would be coming, which included letting John Garrett, the passing game coordinator go.

Dak has NEVER played under Garrett’s play-calling.
Linehan adopter play action to the tune of top 3 in the league, while with Garrett, Dallas was traditionally bottom of the league. He also simplified the reads for Dak while relying on a running game in which Zeke was averaging over five yards per carry on first down or something like that.

it was an absolute waste not to play Romo, with Zeke, especially with what the team began doing in 2014, with Romo behind Center with the run-pass options and the control he now has.

Every year Romo played under the was when Garrett was officially OC or unofficially. The one year he didn’t, he was arguably MVP, throwing for 34 TDs and only 9 INTs.

 

[OmerV]

Again, the team was explicitly saying that Romo would return when ready and cleared. No team doesn’t play their best player under ‘possibility’ he may get injured and that isn’t what was coming from the team either. And Romo had plenty of time to get ready and his last injury, as stated had nothing to do with being Romo, as I stated before. The shear force of a LB from behind on any QB in that compromised sitting position, which only happened because he was fat and out of shape and slid awkwardly on the grass, would have created the same issue too. Every spine doctor in articles about his injury said that would be common. Plus they said it wouldn’t prevent further playing. This wasn’t like LVE neck injury with a fused vertebrae, which apparently everybody thinks is less of an issue than say, the shaved clavicle of Romo.

The shaved clavicle surgery was similar to AR, meaning preventative. That had no bearing on his long term career, but in fact was done for lengthening it. And QBs are even more protected now with the rules and what is clear is we lost our SB window, making this offense “Dak-friendly”.

No, it was not an ENTIRELY different situation. It was specifically about win streaks and success in the playoffs. Aikman’s long term career had ZERO to do with starting that play-off game. Again, it was because Steve won that they even made the playoffs. Fans didn’t even want Troy to start, because of they didn’t want to jeopardize the playoff run. Everybody was looking at the NOW.

The team said that early on after Romo got injured, but things changed as they saw how well Dak and the team played. I don't understand the idea some have that the team was obligated to go back to Romo regardless of any circumstances. A team has to have the ability to make decisions it thinks is for the best.

You can argue all you want about the force of the LB hitting Romo from behind, but I'm not arguing that it wasn't a hard hit. If that were the only injury I would agree that it shouldn't be taken too seriously. But, again, with there being 3 injuries in his last 4 games there was more of a concern.

In any case, like I've said, I don't have a problem if someone feels like Romo would have been the better choice, I only have a problem if someone chooses to ignore that there was a reasonable basis for the choice the team made.