Looks to me as if Colombo is a goner...

[theebs]

jordan black in kc who is 6"5 315 and 26 years old could come in and maybe play right tackle.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Nobody outside of the organization has any clue about McQuistan. To think he will be ready is wishful thinking. They said this guy only had (what?) three years of playing experience. I think it will take a bit more time for him to become a viable option. Though I could be wrong, but like I said. Noone outside the organization actually knows. To have the physical abilities is one thing, to actually know how to use them is a different thing all together.

Well your right, we don't know either way, ready or not. But I think that with Pat McQ, and a high draft pick,, we can fill the RT spot and still have a very good line. I hope Colombo comes back, i think he is our BEST option there, but if he doesn't, I still think we will be fine.

 

[Doomsday101]

he was in ny with the jets yesterday apparently.

Correct me if I am wrong but The gm of the jets brian tannenbaum is a close personal friend of parcells. The jets need a right tackle. They will have all the info on columbo they want.

I would imagine that is why kenyon coleman is going there.

We also do not know what the Jets would be willing to offer for either of these guys. I want to get Columbo signed where I differ is this additude of pay the guy what ever he wants, his talent it not to the level that I would be willing to pay him what ever he is demanding. Evidently Jones does have an ideal of what they are willing to pay

 

[CCBoy]

To quote Kismet, the writing hand once having written, moves on....

As to agents, players are sometimes very naive in believing in their best interests are always served by them. The agent deals in the realm of potentials and conceptual gambles, and does not lose anything but time, when he gambles in potential...where as a player gets hung out to dry, if that gamble is not well structured. Even when the payday negotiated by an agent is achieved, it often leaves the player in an unworkable job position, and without the expected satisfactions of success or pleasure rewards.
Beware what an institutional agent bargains for YOU....it just may be more rewarding for him.

Couple of things at work here-

Talent evaluators through much of the league, still see Leonard Davis as a dominating and talented player. He is an upgrade as to mobility, strength, speed, and even technique. He keeps low pad levels, with bent legs, and can completely maul opponents. He is very effective over areas, and down field.

Second, Colombo, as a player, is about at his sophomore playing level. He has been in the league for some time, but on the field for only a solid year this past year. He is consistent, and plays with an attitude, a good one, but he is not yet fully mobile. Also, he dependability for the long haul, is still on soft ground. One year after a really devastating injury, does not yet establish tierra firma for a sport's injury with limited established expectations. He is still a gamble on this point also.

Do I want Colombo on the roster, yes, I do. Will he, well, he already could have been, and still could, but if he expects to be paid up there with the greatest of all time, WITHIN the Dallas franchise history, he better come back down to earth and do it the old fashioned way, by earning it on the field, and not during a 'feeding' frenzy during the current free agency....

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Oh, sweet Jay-sus...

Has it ever occurred to you that his agent ADVISED him to test the free agent waters, saying that this market this year was gonna get weird (it already has), and that he had no idea how much his client might be worth on that market...

IOW, the Cowboys almost certainly TRIED to get him signed, but he was dead set on finding out his market value... and how, pray tell, do you figure the Cowboys "should have" wrapped up a contract with him, in the face of such determination??

Answer-- you overpay for the guy, big time... that's the ONLY way to keep him from testing the free agent waters...

So, it would seem that in spite of your complaints about how he's likely to want a 50 million dollar deal, you're not really opposed to overpaying him after all...

Now that he's seen the big money that's being handed out to guys like Dockery, he is going to be much tougher to sign.

Yes, the Dockery contract sorta screwed the pooch for all the team owners.

However, the further we get away from the "first wave" of signings the smaller the contracts will become. We are probably finished with the super-sized contracts and are probably now at the "big" contract stage. For example $30 mil with a $10 mil signing bonus over 6 years. Sorta what Gurode received.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think if Colombo "settled" for a $25 mil/$8 mil signing bonus over 5 years then Dallas would scoop him up.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Nobody outside of the organization has any clue about McQuistan. To think he will be ready is wishful thinking. They said this guy only had (what?) three years of playing experience. I think it will take a bit more time for him to become a viable option. Though I could be wrong, but like I said. Noone outside the organization actually knows. To have the physical abilities is one thing, to actually know how to use them is a different thing all together.

But does it really matter if anyone outside the organization knows if big ugly can play? I mean really.

 

[LatinMind]

jordan black in kc who is 6"5 315 and 26 years old could come in and maybe play right tackle.

i would like that, but i think he's doing the visit thing already too

 

[YosemiteSam]

But does it really matter if anyone outside the organization knows if big ugly can play? I mean really.

Eh? I only pointed out this fact because someone else seem to be laying all their cards on the table as if McQuistan was the future. So, my point matter quite a bit.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

What makes you think he's ASKING for 50 mil, or anything near it??

I think it's quite asinine to believe that Marc Colombo honestly thinks his body of work in the NFL thus far in his career justifies such a deal...

Why wouldn't he try to get that? Davis got that much and you think his body of underacheveing work deserves that much, Colombo had a better year last year than Davis, and that's usually what matters most, what has a player done lately.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Why wouldn't he try to get that? Davis got that much and you think his body of underacheveing work deserves that much, Colombo had a better year last year than Davis, and that's usually what matters most, what has a player done lately.

This is debatable. First, Davis plays left tackle, and Davis was probably their only dominating run blocker. Columbo was solid, but Davis wasn't a complete slacker last year. As I noted he plays a tougher position also.

 

[LD Fan]

Two words: Luke Petigout (and one of those words probably isn't spelled right)

I'm pretty sure you got "Luke" right.

 

[LD Fan]

Great point. I rest my case.

Laughable. You've been completely refuted so maybe saying your case is dead would be more appropriate.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Eh? I only pointed out this fact because someone else seem to be laying all their cards on the table as if McQuistan was the future. So, my point matter quite a bit.

Well I think the Proctor, Berger and McQ will all be decided on this coming training camp. I would hope that one of them offers long term potential as a starter-- obviously you just can't keep plugging holes in your offensive line with $50 mil players.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

This is debatable. First, Davis plays left tackle, and Davis was probably their only dominating run blocker. Columbo was solid, but Davis wasn't a complete slacker last year. As I noted he plays a tougher position also.

Good points, I just think Davis is a bit lazy and un-motivated, he was that way in high school, it's just the way he plays.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Well I think the Proctor, Berger and McQ will all be decided on this coming training camp. I would hope that one of them offers long term potential as a starter-- obviously you just can't keep plugging holes in your offensive line with $50 mil players.

Yeah, I noted in another post that if they resign Flozell and Columbo, next years offensive line will probably eat in excess of $30M/yr (Flozell $9M, Kosier $3M, Gurode $5M, Davis $7M, Columbo $6M for a total of $30M/yr) Obviously I'm guessing at Columbo's and Flozell's contracts.

 

[LD Fan]

To those of you who insist Columbo MUST be resigned (probably at an inflated price), I'm curious how you would grade his play.

Serviceable (my vote)
Good? (at best)
Strong?
Very Good?
Dominant

Please remove homer goggles prior to voting.

I'm confident there are numerous options to replace his level of play. They're probably just not on our roster right now unless you include Davis.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Good points, I just think Davis is a bit lazy and un-motivated, he was that way in high school, it's just the way he plays.

Agreed.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

To those of you who insist Columbo MUST be resigned (probably at an inflated price), I'm curious how you would grade his play.

Serviceable (my vote)
Good? (at best)
Strong?
Very Good?
Dominant

Please remove homer goggles prior to voting.

I'm confident there are numerous options to replace his level of play. They're probably just not on our roster right now unless you include Davis.

Judging from last year I'd say Strong.

Davis....Good.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

At this point if Columbo won't settle for a reasonable amount. I'd go with Davis at RT and Proctor/draft pick/alternative FA at guard.