Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

percyhoward

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The NFL's Kevin Love, if empty stats held weight Romo would be in MVP contention every year
If a QB's yards, completions, TD, turnovers, first downs, big plays, and sacks don't mean anything, it raises the question, "What does a QB do that is meaningful?"

Six of the last seven MVP awards have gone to players who have not performed as well as Romo in these situations the last four years.
 

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That is absolutely not true. Wilson is by far the most efficient QB in the league. Romo would find ways to put Seattle in a hole like he does here with the Cowboys. You just have to look at his performance against the Packers last season. He was the reason why the Packers got back into that game with those two INT's. Classic Tony Romo

LOL... I hope you aren't being serious.
 

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You don't "just" have to look at one or two performances. You actually have to look at all of them.

Fine.. Ill look at 8 years of statistics. 1-6 in win or get in games. One playoff win in 8 years. Not even a hall of famer like Bill Parcells could have made Romo into a winner. It's simply not him. Wilson is the most efficient QB in the league and does not make mistakes. Seattle needs a QB that won't make mistakes. That eliminates Romo.
 

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7/3/14, 12:54 PM
According to percyhoward, since 2010, Tony Romo is 4-10 when he has a passer rating between 95-110.
 

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That is absolutely not true. Wilson is by far the most efficient QB in the league. Romo would find ways to put Seattle in a hole like he does here with the Cowboys. You just have to look at his performance against the Packers last season. He was the reason why the Packers got back into that game with those two INT's. Classic Tony Romo
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Fine.. Ill look at 8 years of statistics. 1-6 in win or get in games. One playoff win in 8 years. Not even a hall of famer like Bill Parcells could have made Romo into a winner. It's simply not him. Wilson is the most efficient QB in the league and does not make mistakes. Seattle needs a QB that won't make mistakes. That eliminates Romo.
Might want to consider an objective comparison of each QB's teams, then reach your conclusions.
 

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That's some really sound analysis and impressive research.

So why does it just feel like one giant excuse for why Romo hasn't accomplished more than he has?
 

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Put Romo in Seattle, they still win a title.

Put Russell Wilson in Dallas and we go 5-11.

Seattle gives up 14.4 points per game. Wilson just drove the bus.

Dallas gives up 27.

It's not a knock against Wilson, I think he's a pretty good QB - it just shows how well Romo performs in a horrible situation for a QB.

If Romo was In Seattle his 16 million dollar salary wouldn't allow them to build the defense and oline that they have today. Wilson cost them pennies so the financial resources can be poured into the trenches.
 

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...the only QB with more consecutive top 10 seasons in the NFL-- Montana, Fouts, Young, Manning (whose streak continues), and Brady (whose ended last year) -- are all Hall of Famers...

This is irrelevant to your main points which are jawdroppingly good as usual, but didn't Peyton's clock reset when he missed the whole 2011 season?
 

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This is irrelevant to your main points which are jawdroppingly good as usual, but didn't Peyton's clock reset when he missed the whole 2011 season?
Thanks. Since he didn't officially have a "season" in 2011, we can't really count it as a season out of the top 10.
 

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Mark Lane (@therealmarklane)

7/3/14, 12:54 PM
According to percyhoward, since 2010, Tony Romo is 4-10 when he has a passer rating between 95-110.

Cool. Emp has always cited me.

I had to look up that stat about four times before I could believe it.
 

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The problem with Romo is that he becomes less effective when he starts throwing the ball more than 34 times a game. Part of that is defense. Part of that is playcalling. Part of that is Romo audibling into pass plays. And part of that is Romo not being as great as some people make him out to be.

Here's a look at Romo's pass attempts per game and his FO.com DVOA ranking throughout the years:

2006: 31.0 (5th)
2007: 32.5 (6th)
2008: 34.6 (11th)
2009: 34.4 (7th)
2010: 35.5 (11th)
2011: 32.6 (4th)
2012: 40.5 (10th)
2013: 35.7 (10th)

Here's how the defenses for the Cowboys ranked using FO.com's methodology:

2006: 14th
2007: 9th
2008: 9th
2009: 10th
2010: 27th
2011: 16th
2012: 23rd
2013: 30th

So, it's not ALL on the defense. And the defense isn't the sole cause for Dallas throwing more. It's just the more Romo starts throwing the ball, he becomes less effective. I would surmise that it comes down to the following:

1. Playcalling becomes more predictable.

2. Teams can start blitzing more and Romo isn't as effective against the blitz

3. He is more apt to turn the ball over.

The only year that Romo had some limit on his pass attempts per game and had one of his lesser seasons was 2008, when he injured his throwing hand.

Furthermore, our relying on Romo to throw the ball more seems to coincide more with injuries on defense. Historically, defensive players are more than twice than likely to get injured than defensive players. So, if you're throwing the ball more, that means more time on the field for the defense and more injuries are likely. And our big injury years on defense...came in 2012 and 2013....when Romo averaged the most pass attempts per game of his career.

Certainly, this falls on Garrett. But, it also falls on Romo who likes to audible out of running plays. Both need to learn that less is more when it comes to his performance.







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The NFL's Kevin Love, if empty stats held weight Romo would be in MVP contention every year

I'm curious as to what makes the stats empty? The fact that the team hasn't had playoff success or won certain games that people deem more important than others.

Then, that also means we can't say Dez Bryant is a great receiver, because his stats are empty. We can't say Tyron Smith is a great player, because his stats (lack of sacks) are empty. Etc.

Let me put it another way: Receiver A catches 9 passes for 141 yards and a touchdown in a loss. Receiver B catches 4 passes for 22 yards and no touchdowns in a victory. Does that mean receiver B had a better game than receiver A because receiver A's stats were "empty"?
 

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I'm curious as to what makes the stats empty? The fact that the team hasn't had playoff success or won certain games that people deem more important than others.

Then, that also means we can't say Dez Bryant is a great receiver, because he stats are empty. We can't say Tyron Smith is a great player, because his stats (lack of sacks) are empty. Etc.

Let me put it another way: Receiver A catches 9 passes for 141 yards and a touchdown in a loss. Receiver B catches 4 passes for 22 yards and no touchdowns in a victory. Does that mean receiver B had a better game than receiver A because receiver A's stats were "empty"?
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