Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[Animosity]

I'm curious as to what makes the stats empty? The fact that the team hasn't had playoff success or won certain games that people deem more important than others.

Then, that also means we can't say Dez Bryant is a great receiver, because his stats are empty. We can't say Tyron Smith is a great player, because his stats (lack of sacks) are empty. Etc.

Let me put it another way: Receiver A catches 9 passes for 141 yards and a touchdown in a loss. Receiver B catches 4 passes for 22 yards and no touchdowns in a victory. Does that mean receiver B had a better game than receiver A because receiver A's stats were "empty"?

Empty stats is when you pad your stats when the game is waaay out of reach. I just have to look back at Romos game vs the Bears.. where he threw a couple of TDs when the game was way out of reach. Where were those TDs when the game was competitive?

 

[Aurican]

Love the assumptions that Wilson would automatically suck here in a pass happy stat offense with Dez and Witten and Romo would automatically play mistake free ball in Seattle. I think I'll stick with reality and say that Wilson did his job and won a championship and Romo has had opportunities and has come up short.

 

[Doomsday101]

Love the assumptions that Wilson would automatically suck here in a pass happy stat offense with Dez and Witten and Romo would automatically play mistake free ball in Seattle. I think I'll stick with reality and say that Wilson did his job and won a championship and Romo has had opportunities and has come up short.

That is no more reality than those who claim Wilson would struggle and Romo would succeed. We don't know how Wilson would fair if he had to put the ball up constantly, he has never had to do that. At Wisconsin he had a powerful run game and a quality defense and in the NFL he has not had to carry the load. Talk about assumption. I like Wilson but he threw fewer times than any starting QB in the league, he did not have too.

 

[DanteEXT]

Empty stats is when you pad your stats when the game is waaay out of reach. I just have to look back at Romos game vs the Bears.. where he threw a couple of TDs when the game was way out of reach. Where were those TDs when the game was competitive?

How do those TD's make the OP stats "empty"?

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Empty stats is when you pad your stats when the game is waaay out of reach. I just have to look back at Romos game vs the Bears.. where he threw a couple of TDs when the game was way out of reach. Where were those TDs when the game was competitive?

Your hero Peyton Manning threw 3 TDS in the fourth quarter in a blowout against the 'Skins, 2 TDs in the fourth quarter in a blowout against the Ravens, and another whopping 3 TDs in the fourth quarter in a blowout against the 2-14 Texans. Is that what you mean by empty?

 

[Aurican]

That is no more reality than those who claim Wilson would struggle and Romo would succeed. We don't know how Wilson would fair if he had to put the ball up constantly, he has never had to do that. At Wisconsin he had a powerful run game and a quality defense and in the NFL he has not had to carry the load. Talk about assumption. I like Wilson but he threw fewer times than any starting QB in the league, he did not have too.

What's not reality? Wilson didn't win a championship? Romo hasn't had opportunities?

 

[Animosity]

Your hero Peyton Manning threw 3 TDS in the fourth quarter in a blowout against the 'Skins, 2 TDs in the fourth quarter in a blowout against the Ravens, and another whopping 3 TDs in the fourth quarter in a blowout against the 2-14 Texans. Is that what you mean by empty?

Yes. And Peyton Manning contributing to that beating.

Romo would throw a last minute TD in a blowout loss just to pad his stats.

 

[Doomsday101]

What's not reality? Wilson didn't win a championship? Romo hasn't had opportunities?

What is reality is Seahawks main weapon was Lynch and Seattle leaned on the run. Wilson was not being asked to carry the load. As for defense really you think Seahawks and Cowboys defense have been equals? Teams win championship not QB. Evidently you can't see all the other players on the field and what they bring to the table. I like Wilson he plays within the system they have in place, he does not have to take a lot of risk since punting for the seahawks is not a big issue when you have a defense that is going to get you the ball right back.

 

[Animosity]

I like Wilson but he threw fewer times than any starting QB in the league, he did not have too.

Yes, and he is the most efficient QB in the league.

Romo with 535 passing attempts had 31 TDs (with weapons like Dez Bryant and Jason Witten).

Wilson with 407 had 26 TDs (with a bunch of receivers who would be backups on other contending teams). That's crazy efficient. Romo isn't and wouldn't be as good as Wilson in Seattle.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes, and he is the most efficient QB in the league.

Romo with 535 passing attempts had 31 TDs (with weapons like Dez Bryant and Jason Witten).

Wilson with 407 had 26 TDs (with a bunch of receivers who would be backups on other contending teams). That's crazy efficient. Romo isn't and wouldn't be as good as Wilson in Seattle.

Yes when team play the seahawks their out to stop Lynch, when teams face Dallas they are looking for pass. I agree Wilson plays the role he had very well but again just as Aikman did as teams came up to stop the run it allowed bigger oppertunites down field. Troy sacrificed a lot of personal stats for championships.

 

[Aurican]

What is reality is Seahawks main weapon was Lynch and Seattle leaned on the run. Wilson was not being asked to carry the load. As for defense really you think Seahawks and Cowboys defense have been equals? Teams win championship not QB. Evidently you can't see all the other players on the field and what they bring to the table. I like Wilson he plays within the system they have in place, he does not have to take a lot of risk since punting for the seahawks is not a big issue when you have a defense that is going to get you the ball right back.

What I'm saying is I don't play the what if game, Romo could easily have pulled a Neil O'donell and given away the Super Bowl if he was on that team. The reality is WIlson has a ring and Romo doesn't, all this what if stuff is nonsense

 

[Doomsday101]

What I'm saying is I don't play the what if game, Romo could easily have pulled a Neil O'donell and given away the Super Bowl if he was on that team. The reality is WIlson has a ring and Romo doesn't, all this what if stuff is nonsense

I don't play the what if game either, As I said I can't say what Wilson and Romo would do if the roles were changed. However what I do know it is the team that wins the championship it is the offense, the defense and special teams that win games. Wilson did not carry the team he helped his team and they helped him out quite a bit. People try to compare 2 players yet each player is playing in a different situation with a different system. No doubt no one is confusing the Seahawks defense with the Cowboys defense yet that defense in Seattle was very bit as responsible for winning a championship.

 

[Moderately_Askew]

That's some really sound analysis and impressive research.

So why does it just feel like one giant excuse for why Romo hasn't accomplished more than he has?

I would say because it is a team game and the defense has let him down. By the stats Romo has done everything a QB can do to win a game.

 

[Cebrin]

That is no more reality than those who claim Wilson would struggle and Romo would succeed. We don't know how Wilson would fair if he had to put the ball up constantly, he has never had to do that. At Wisconsin he had a powerful run game and a quality defense and in the NFL he has not had to carry the load. Talk about assumption. I like Wilson but he threw fewer times than any starting QB in the league, he did not have too.

I don't think it's a matter of Wilsons skill set as had been mentioned. I like Wilson, although I don't think he's elite quite yet. It's more of the fact that when your defense was a bad as ours last year it wouldn't matter. Our run game needs to be effective and our defense needs to quit pulling their skirt up. The most exciting thing about this year for me? Garrett isn't calling the plays. YAYYYYYY!!!!!

 

[Moderately_Askew]

Yes. And Peyton Manning contributing to that beating.

Romo would throw a last minute TD in a blowout loss just to pad his stats.

Keep pushing those goal posts back. God forbid Romo would try to win games when his team is down, so why should a QB play at all? It would only pad their stats.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think it's a matter of Wilsons skill set as had been mentioned. I like Wilson, although I don't think he's elite quite yet. It's more of the fact that when your defense was a bad as ours last year it wouldn't matter. Our run game needs to be effective and our defense needs to quit pulling their skirt up. The most exciting thing about this year for me? Garrett isn't calling the plays. YAYYYYYY!!!!!

I like Wilson a lot myself, then again I like what the Seahawks have put together as an entire team. I commend them on a job well done in all 3 phases of the game.

 

[Wayne02]

Put Romo in Seattle, they still win a title.

Put Russell Wilson in Dallas and we go 5-11.

No way to prove that sir.

 

[iceberg]

What a refreshing topic

 

[dstovall5]

Since 2010, when Romo has a 95-110 rating in a game, the Cowboys are 4-10 (.286).

When these other QB have a 95-110 rating in a game, their teams are 86-38 (.694). And that winning percentage is not what makes those quarterbacks special.

When any other QB in the league besides Romo has a 95-110 rating in a game, those teams are 243-120-2 (.669).

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dwmyers, perrykemp, and KJJ all (mostly unintentionally) provided ideas or info used in this post.

That just shows how bad the Dallas Cowboys really are outside of QB play. We've honestly been one of the worst teams the past 3-4 years if it weren't for Romo, we'd be giving Buffalo, Cleveland, and the Jaguars a run for their money. It's obvious that Romo is a darn good QB, yet you still have people talk as if he's been the downfall of the Cowboys.

And this is the question I'd like to ask those people who knock Romo for our failures. You say he's not an elite QB, or even top notch, yet you hold him to expectations that not even Rodgers, Manning, Brady, or Brees could reach, and you call yourselves "realist"? How ironic is that.

Also, the last elite QB who was in a very similar position to the one of Romo's for the past 3-4 years, missed the playoffs and finished 7-9. And that QB was Drew Brees, yet Romo is somehow suppose to do what even Drew Brees couldn't and carry us through the playoffs, no wonder the man has a bad back.

 

[Animosity]

Keep pushing those goal posts back. God forbid Romo would try to win games when his team is down, so why should a QB play at all? It would only pad their stats.

I am just saying.. where were those garbage time TDs when the game was still competitive against the Bears?