Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[birdwells1]

Anyone who got over on Bill Russell, did something of note.

That would be Bryon Russell

 

[CCBoy]

That would be Bryon Russell

Obviously...

 

[percyhoward]

I like the player that loves the 8th game or late game situations, you want to know why Montana and Jordan are so popular? It's not just that they were great, they were great when it mattered most. I know that you discount this but if you think about Jordan you think about the shot over Craig Ehlo or Russell and Montana you think about the drive against Cincy or "the catch", guess what...... those didnt happen in week 3 or 6 they happened in the win or go home situations.

Yeah those player have made game winning drives or game winning shots in the regular but you dont remember most of them. I think Romo is a great qb but I need him to play like he does against the Rams in week 17 deciding games and in the playoffs. If not then to me he's a front runner, someone who can play well against lesser defenses but against better defenses he doesn't rise to the occasion. These guys will accumulate numbers that will make your head spin because there's enough bad defenses in a passing league to do that but the problem is that week 17 and playoffs the defenses are most likely above average.

You're looking only at one loss, I'm looking at all 8, and you think I'm the one who's discounting something. Okay. Explain how that works, first. Then we'll talk about Romo vs. good defenses, and list all these QB with regular season numbers that make heads spin.

 

[CCBoy]

You're looking only at one loss, I'm looking at all 8, and you think I'm the one who's discounting something. Okay. Explain how that works, first. Then we'll talk about Romo vs. good defenses, and list all these QB with regular season numbers that make heads spin.

That was better than the movie Casa Blanca...

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Great QBs show up early in the season and late in the season. A QB makes his reputation in big late season games though. Romo hasn't really done that. I never said that he was the sole reason we lost those games. But if he wants to shed his reputation, He has to show up big time. That's all. As I said nobody's going to change anybody's opinion. Romo is the only one that can do that and time is running out for him.

 

[percyhoward]

That's an amazing stat.

When their QB throws 4+ TD with a 140 rating, teams are 163-2. Both losses are the Cowboys with Romo, with one of them costing us the division.

 

[jnday]

When their QB throws 4+ TD with a 140 rating, teams are 163-2. Both losses are the Cowboys with Romo, with one of them costing us the division.

This could be off topic, but I am floored by the records and stats this team has made in the last few years. None of them are for for good play either. Every year there are three if four more such as team record for lows in rushing to worst defense in team history. Every time a screwball stat comes up, it seems like this team is on the wrong side if it.

 

[CCBoy]

This could be off topic, but I am floored by the records and stats this team has made in the last few years. None of them are for for good play either. Every year there are three if four more such as team record for lows in rushing to worst defense in team history. Every time a screwball stat comes up, it seems like this team is on the wrong side if it.

I agree, that's the hard part of it all.

 

[birdwells1]

You're looking only at one loss, I'm looking at all 8, and you think I'm the one who's discounting something. Okay. Explain how that works, first. Then we'll talk about Romo vs. good defenses, and list all these QB with regular season numbers that make heads spin.

Man, I really like the work you do here but what you are trying to do is take his do or die games and put them with the rest to dilute the fact that, more times than not, he plays some of his worst ball when it matters most. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[jnday]

I agree, that's the hard part of it all.

As a Cowboy fan , this is hard to take. The team went so many years where they were setting records for good play and now we have to see this. It does bring up a point that needs attention. These records for bad play are not being set by a 1-15 team. They are being set by an 8-8 team. I think that speaks o the lack of consistent play from week to week. One week, they play decent football, the next week they are setting records for all time bad play in certain areas of the team.

 

[gimmesix]

Dude, this aint Madden. You are trying to take emotions and mental toughness out of sports and that just not possible. Is it coincidence that Romo has never played to his season standard in any elimination losses, if they are just 1 of 16 someone needs to let him know.

They once asked Robert "big shot" Horry how he continue to hit game winners and this was his answer, "when you play with Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan no one is going to blame me if I miss the last shot. After the game you guys will just go to them and ask what went wrong, so I shoot the shot with no pressure at all". Makes sense to me.

It's funny. I popped in a tape of a Dallas game from 1996 where the Cowboys were getting ready to play the Philadelphia Eagles. They were interviewing Troy Aikman and he was saying how much of a must-win game that was because Dallas was 1-3 and couldn't afford to lose in his eyes. But I guess Aikman was wrong to view that game that way because it wasn't a win-or-go-home game.

 

[gimmesix]

This could be off topic, but I am floored by the records and stats this team has made in the last few years. None of them are for for good play either. Every year there are three if four more such as team record for lows in rushing to worst defense in team history. Every time a screwball stat comes up, it seems like this team is on the wrong side if it.

And that's been a sad deal for players like Romo, Witten, Ware, etc., who have had to endure one thing after another that keep them from being on a contender. Makes me think a lot about Archie Manning, who never played for a team with a winning record and wasn't near as good of a quarterback statistically as Romo.

It's strange how Manning was viewed as a great player, even winning NFL Player of the Year when the Saints went 7-9, on a bad team while Romo is viewed as part of the problem (probably the product of social media, although some of it might be that our expectations are much higher for Dallas than it was for the 'Aints).

 

[Idgit]

Play nicely please.

 

[jnday]

And that's been a sad deal for players like Romo, Witten, Ware, etc., who have had to endure one thing after another that keep them from being on a contender. Makes me think a lot about Archie Manning, who never played for a team with a winning record and wasn't near as good of a quarterback statistically as Romo.

It's strange how Manning was viewed as a great player, even winning NFL Player of the Year when the Saints went 7-9, on a bad team while Romo is viewed as part of the problem (probably the product of social media, although some of it might be that our expectations are much higher for Dallas than it was for the 'Aints).

Being from Mississippi , I followed Archie his whole career. He was in the same conversation as Roger for being the best QB in the league at that time. He really was a great player that had no help from his team. It is a shame that he took a beating every Sunday for an organization that cared nothing about him.

 

[birdwells1]

Play nicely please.

My bad.

 

[DFWJC]

When their QB throws 4+ TD with a 140 rating, teams are 163-2. Both losses are the Cowboys with Romo, with one of them costing us the division.

And you can be sure that there were a half dozen posters in this forum somehow blaming those losses on Romo.

It is what it is at this point.
But talk that only he can change the perception of those that are down on him is proven wrong just by that....because it's those same people who would blame him for those two games you just mentioned.
Even when he is historically good, if we lose, there are those that will find reason to blame it on him.

 

[burmafrd]

And that's been a sad deal for players like Romo, Witten, Ware, etc., who have had to endure one thing after another that keep them from being on a contender. Makes me think a lot about Archie Manning, who never played for a team with a winning record and wasn't near as good of a quarterback statistically as Romo.

It's strange how Manning was viewed as a great player, even winning NFL Player of the Year when the Saints went 7-9, on a bad team while Romo is viewed as part of the problem (probably the product of social media, although some of it might be that our expectations are much higher for Dallas than it was for the 'Aints).

People were so shocked that the saints got close to 500 that they gave it all to Manning. You have to remember just how bad the saints had ALWAYS been to understand how getting close to 500 stunned the entire league. You could write a massive multi volume book on all the mistakes and screwups the saints had their first 10 years.

 

[burmafrd]

And you can be sure that there were a half dozen posters in this forum somehow blaming those losses on Romo.

How ANYONE could blame Romo for the Denver loss is just insane. He throws 5 TDs and keeps us in the game with no defence at all and the haters claim its his fault we lost.

 

[DFWJC]

How ANYONE could blame Romo for the Denver loss is just insane. He throws 5 TDs and keeps us in the game with no defence at all and the haters claim its his fault we lost.

I bet there is at least one person in just this thread that did so.

It's those same people who live off of a couple of bad plays 3 years ago in a relatively unimportant Jets game day loss, but a year later give little value to the far more important opening day win vs the defending Super Bowl champ and division rival Giants.

 

[gimmesix]

On paper you may have a point. Ask the players if every game has the same value. I don't know if you played football , but if you did, I think you would agree.

No, each game has its own value. Trying to beat the New York Giants for the first time in your home stadium (after going 0-4, I believe) in a Sunday night football game (where Dallas also had struggled the past few years) has its pressures while trying to snap a streak of following a victory with a loss against Philadelphia has its pressures.

Some want to just point to certain games they designate as do-or-die as pivotal or important to players, while it is just as important and pivotal and pressure-packed for Dallas to have beaten New York on Nov. 24 to improve to 6-5 last year, as it was for Dallas to have beaten Washington on Dec. 7 to improve to 8-7 as it was for Dallas to have lost to Philadelphia in the final game.

Picking and choosing what games are important/pivotal/do-or-die to the players is an arbitrary art that anyone can do to support whatever argument they want to make. That's why percyhoward posted non-arbitrary statistics to start this thread. When we lack bias we can see things for how they are instead of how we perceive them to be. But it's difficult for any of us to lack bias, which is why statistically evidence is needed.