Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[ufcrules1]

The only one who can change anyone's opinion is Tony Romo. He's got to prove everyone wrong and come up big in some late season games, particularly the playoffs.

That is right. He has yet to do this yet... he has yet to live up to his regular season level of play in these "win and in"/playoff games. At this point in his career he is running out of time to do that.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

That is right. He has yet to do this yet... he has yet to live up to his regular season level of play in these "win and in"/playoff games. At this point in his career he is running out of time to do that.

And that's why I don't think he can. He has never played great in any of those games. He doesn't always play bad but he doesn't play like I've seen him play in a lot of early season games. Why can't he play like he did against Denver in one of those games? I think it's because nobody expected us to win anyway and there was no pressure on him. I think at this point, it's just in his head. I like Tony. When he replaced Bledoe I was a big Romo fan. I really thought we had our next HOF QB. But after 8 years of the same thing it's hard to have faith in him. Maybe if he had a better coach to teach him in those early years, it might have been different. I do wish he would prove me wrong but every year it is the same. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[jnday]

I still disagree. The value of each game is the same. If you lose the first 10 games of the season, are those final six games greater or lesser? Conversely, if you win the first 10 games of the season, are those final six games greater or lesser?

Let's take 2013 Seattle as an example. The Seahawks were 11-1 heading into December and then went 3-2. According to your "lesser" logic, Seattle going 4-0 in September wasn't important, but what it did was allow December to not really matter. Most teams would prefer that path.The urgency to win is the same throughout a 16-game season until a team no longer needs to win. You earmarking certain games as greater or lesser does not make it so to the teams trying to win every one of them (or at least enough to secure home-field advantage throughout the playoffs).

San Francisco was the team you devalued with your lesser logic. Not saying you called them a lesser team, but beating them didn't mean as much because it happened in a "lesser" game.

On paper you may have a point. Ask the players if every game has the same value. I don't know if you played football , but if you did, I think you would agree.

 

[jnday]

Which is poor logic, because the other teams have just as much time as you, except they don't have that one loss on their ledger. All regular season games are regular season games, no matter how people try to make certain ones into super amazing ones.

Fans think that way, players don't.

 

[ufcrules1]

And that's why I don't think he can. He has never played great in any of those games. He doesn't always play bad but he doesn't play like I've seen him play in a lot of early season games. Why can't he play like he did against Denver in one of those games? I think it's because nobody expected us to win anyway and there was no pressure on him. I think at this point, it's just in his head. I like Tony. When he replaced Bledoe I was a big Romo fan. I really thought we had our next HOF QB. But after 8 years of the same thing it's hard to have faith in him. Maybe if he had a better coach to teach him in those early years, it might have been different. I do wish he would prove me wrong but every year it is the same. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I agree with everything you just said and have been down the same road. Only difference in us is I have lost all faith/hope in Romo. I have seen the way he plays in the playoffs and the deeper you get the more pressure there is. Even if you have a fantastic Oline for example, the defense is still going to penetrate it when you get very deep in the playoffs and when that happens what would Romo do? What has changed in his game to give us any faith?

 

[jnday]

Just a couple more pages and I'm out. I was shooting for 30.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I agree with everything you just said and have been down the same road. Only difference in us is I have lost all faith/hope in Romo. I have seen the way he plays in the playoffs and the deeper you get the more pressure there is. Even if you have a fantastic Oline for example, the defense is still going to penetrate it when you get very deep in the playoffs and when that happens what would Romo do? What has changed in his game to give us any faith?

That was Orton, Einstein.

 

[jnday]

That was Orton, Einstein.

Orton has only played in a couple games and his faults are not worth discussion. It is Romo. He has meltdowns that are worth our time.

 

[percyhoward]

Not to break up the lovefest, but can anybody explain how the 8th loss outweighs the 8 losses?

 

[birdwells1]

I'll add this, Romo just needs some good things to happen for him in some of these crucial moments at the end of the season and he will be ok. I know Romo has the ability because I seen it, he is a top 8 qb imo but if he cant play that way iate in the season and playoffs then it wont do us any good because that's when championships are won.

 

[percyhoward]

I'll add this, Romo just needs some good things to happen for him in some of these crucial moments at the end of the season and he will be ok. I know Romo has the ability because I seen it, he is a top 8 qb imo but if he cant play that way iate in the season and playoffs then it wont do us any good because that's when championships are won.

Championships are won by regular and post-season performance. No team ever had a losing regular season and won a championship.

 

[birdwells1]

Championships are won by regular and post-season performance. No team ever had a losing regular season and won a championship.

I agree but the same performance that gets us into the post season is the one we should expect in the post season both individually and as a team, if
there was going to be a deviation I would expect it to be an elevation of performance.

 

[DFWJC]

And that's why I don't think he can. He has never played great in any of those games. He doesn't always play bad but he doesn't play like I've seen him play in a lot of early season games. Why can't he play like he did against Denver in one of those games? I think it's because nobody expected us to win anyway and there was no pressure on him. I think at this point, it's just in his head. I like Tony. When he replaced Bledoe I was a big Romo fan. I really thought we had our next HOF QB. But after 8 years of the same thing it's hard to have faith in him. Maybe if he had a better coach to teach him in those early years, it might have been different. I do wish he would prove me wrong but every year it is the same. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Selective memory to some degree...but not totally.

I realize that the playoff sample size is way too small for Rono, but....

The last time Dallas made the playoffs, in 2009, Romo played an outstanding game to help us stomp an 11-5 Philly team. Dallas was also 11-5.
He lit them up before halftime as we broke the game open 27-7, then they went Into conservative mode in the 2nd half to rise for the win.

4 scoring drives, no picks, before halftime and no turnovers and a 105 QB rating for game.

He and the team were outstanding In that, which was one of the 4 biggest games of his career.

Of course, the following week in Minnesota was the the end of the road vs the team that should have won the Super Bowl.

 

[percyhoward]

I agree but the same performance that gets us into the post season is the one we should expect in the post season both individually and as a team, if
there was going to be a deviation I would expect it to be an elevation of performance.

Birdwells, the difference between us is that you're looking at the 8th loss and I'm looking at the 8 losses.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Selective memory to some degree...but not totally.

I realize that the playoff sample size is way too small for Rono, but....

The last time Dallas made the playoffs, in 2009, Romo played an outstanding game to help us stomp an 11-5 Philly team. Dallas was also 11-5.
He lit them up before halftime as we broke the game open 27-7, then they went Into conservative mode in the 2nd half to rise for the win.

4 scoring drives, no picks, before halftime and no turnovers and a 105 QB rating for game.

He and the team were outstanding In that, which was one of the 4 biggest games of his career.

Of course, the following week in Minnesota was the the end of the road vs the team that should have won the Super Bowl.

And then he went out and flopped in the next game. I remember. He hasn't done anything since. I'll give him that one though. I really did think the Cowboys had turned the corner after that game. Boy was I wrong.

 

[percyhoward]

And then he went out and flopped in the next game.

It was really the defense that flopped. Favre had a 134.4 rating in that game. In the playoffs, QB with over a 125 rating are 67-0. No QB was going to win that game for the Cowboys.

 

[DFWJC]

It was really the defense that flopped. Favre had a 134.4 rating in that game. In the playoffs, QB with over a 125 rating are 67-0. No QB was going to win that game for the Cowboys.

That's an amazing stat.

 

[CCBoy]

Good directional imputs, as always, Percy.

I just never could justify a better record, from a base perspective of a potential quality defensive line that did not have on-the-presence of Jay Ratliff, Anthony Spencer, and Demarcus Ware for most of the season.

From the point that Jason Garrett arrived, he only had to completely rework the offensive line as well as start from scratch and rebuild the defensive secondary.

Now, I won't get into the magic with getting by Cap crisis for the last four seasons...and still reach a last game fight for a playoff spot.

I agree, that points, not to eight losses, but strength and foundations to survive the very worst of franchise conditions and retain both heart and respectable play through it all.

Myself, I say that is good leadership.

 

[birdwells1]

Birdwells, the difference between us is that you're looking at the 8th loss and I'm looking at the 8 losses.

I like the player that loves the 8th game or late game situations, you want to know why Montana and Jordan are so popular? It's not just that they were great, they were great when it mattered most. I know that you discount this but if you think about Jordan you think about the shot over Craig Ehlo or Russell and Montana you think about the drive against Cincy or "the catch", guess what...... those didnt happen in week 3 or 6 they happened in the win or go home situations.

Yeah those player have made game winning drives or game winning shots in the regular but you dont remember most of them. I think Romo is a great qb but I need him to play like he does against the Rams in week 17 deciding games and in the playoffs. If not then to me he's a front runner, someone who can play well against lesser defenses but against better defenses he doesn't rise to the occasion. These guys will accumulate numbers that will make your head spin because there's enough bad defenses in a passing league to do that but the problem is that week 17 and playoffs the defenses are most likely above average.

 

[CCBoy]

I like the player that loves the 8th game or late game situations, you want to know why Montana and Jordan are so popular? It's not just that they were great, they were great when it mattered most. I know that you discount this but if you think about Jordan you think about the shot over Craig Ehlo or Russell and Montana you think about the drive against Cincy or "the catch", guess what...... those didnt happen in week 3 or 6 they happened in the win or go home situations.

Yeah those player have made game winning drives or game winning shots in the regular but you dont remember most of them. I think Romo is a great qb but I need him to play like he does against the Rams in week 17 deciding games and in the playoffs. If not then to me he's a front runner, someone who can play well against lesser defenses but against better defenses he doesn't rise to the occasion. These guys will accumulate numbers that will make your head spin because there's enough bad defenses in a passing league to do that but the problem is that week 17 and playoffs the defenses are most likely above average.

Anyone who got over on Bill Russell, did something of note.