Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[jnday]

And you can be sure that there were a half dozen posters in this forum somehow blaming those losses on Romo.

It is what it is at this point.
But talk that only he can change the perception of those that are down on him is proven wrong just by that....because it's those same people who would blame him for those two games you just mentioned.
Even when he is historically good, if we lose, there are those that will find reason to blame it on him.

I can only speak for myself, but I defended Romo for a long time before I saw what his critics were seeing. I started losing faith in him when he blew the big Sunday night game against the Jets when the Ryan brothers was a big deal. The fumble and especially the interception opened my eyes. I expect him to turn the ball over and lose those type if games now. If you open your eyes, you may see it too.

 

[gimmesix]

Being from Mississippi , I followed Archie his whole career. He was in the same conversation as Roger for being the best QB in the league at that time. He really was a great player that had no help from his team. It is a shame that he took a beating every Sunday for an organization that cared nothing about him.

I certainly didn't mean Manning shouldn't be viewed the way he is, but I think it's ironic that people can see how he was a "diamond among trash" and not realize the same about Romo (and a few of his teammates, which also was the same with Manning). I mean, Manning had a career completion rate of 55.2, threw more interceptions than TDs (125 TDs, 173 ints.) had a 67.1 QB rating and people can clearly understand that the cast around him was the reason for his failures. It was the team's failures. Yet people can't understand the team's failures in the playoff game against the Giants; they can't understand the team's failures in these so-called do-or-die games, etc.

Quite frankly, it baffles me.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I can only speak for myself, but I defended Romo for a long time before I saw what his critics were seeing. I started losing faith in him when he blew the big Sunday night game against the Jets when the Ryan brothers was a big deal. The fumble and especially the interception opened my eyes. I expect him to turn the ball over and lose those type if games now. If you open your eyes, you may see it too.

Those types of games? I thought it was just win-or-go-home games? Now Season openers too? Any others?

 

[jnday]

I bet there is at least one person in just this thread that did so.

It's those same people who live off of a couple of bad plays 3 years ago in a relatively unimportant Jets game day loss, but a year later give little value to the far more important opening day win vs the defending Super Bowl champ and division rival Giants.

The Jets gene started the doubting file me , but he added plenty of others that showed his true colors. When his career is over, and he has choked away any chances they gave had at a Super Bowl, are you going to still support him when every hit of evidence says you shouldn't ?

 

[DallasEast]

How ANYONE could blame Romo for the Denver loss is just insane. He throws 5 TDs and keeps us in the game with no defence at all and the haters claim its his fault we lost.

I do not believe sanity has anything to do with the overabundance of criticism directed at Tony Romo.

The blame game isn't even an issue. It is the illogical distribution of blame that's always a problem when it comes to criticizing teams regardless of the sport. Criticism generated about last season is an excellent example. The vast amount of noise being produced by media and fans is about Tony Romo.

It would be more logical for criticism of the overall team's shortcomings to drown out Romo's criticism, but that's not the case. Take the Denver game and this site for instance. For every Romo/Denver thread, there should be ten or more threads about the defense/Denver. For every critical comment made by a member about Romo, the same member should make ten or more critical comments about the Cowboys defense.

The only silver lining is that this nonsense is not contained to the Cowboys fanbase or pro football only. It's repeated everywhere. Some people cannot differentiate and quantify most or all problems embedded in an issue. That's crazy when one considers the fact that team sports isn't rocket science.

 

[jnday]

I certainly didn't mean Manning shouldn't be viewed the way he is, but I think it's ironic that people can see how he was a "diamond among trash" and not realize the same about Romo (and a few of his teammates, which also was the same with Manning). I mean, Manning had a career completion rate of 55.2, threw more interceptions than TDs (125 TDs, 173 ints.) had a 67.1 QB rating and people can clearly understand that the cast around him was the reason for his failures. It was the team's failures. Yet people can't understand the team's failures in the playoff game against the Giants; they can't understand the team's failures in these so-called do-or-die games, etc.

Quite frankly, it baffles me.

Romo has much more talent around him, but that is not the difference. Archie never had a big game to choke in. Romo has had several. The GM that said Romo's brain checks out when in pressure situations was right. The thing about Romo that you don't consider is that most people agrees with me. You are a part of a small group that don't want to admit that he has the problem.

 

[DFWJC]

I can only speak for myself, but I defended Romo for a long time before I saw what his critics were seeing. I started losing faith in him when he blew the big Sunday night game against the Jets when the Ryan brothers was a big deal. The fumble and especially the interception opened my eyes. I expect him to turn the ball over and lose those type if games now. If you open your eyes, you may see it too.

Why is that game so important and not the way more important one a year later--when he didn't do what the detractors expect him to do?
It's only if he has a big mistake that an otherwise regular game becomes some sort of important game that people discuss years later. A playoff game, I can understand (though the sample size is really tiny), but a non- division and even non-conference game? That's silly.

That's what gets me. Some will expect him to do something really bad, and he doesn't for many games, then when he does mess up, they act like it happens all the time.
It doesn't.

 

[CCBoy]

The Jets gene started the doubting file me , but he added plenty of others that showed his true colors. When his career is over, and he has choked away any chances they gave had at a Super Bowl, are you going to still support him when every hit of evidence says you shouldn't ?

I still respect Danny White...

 

[DallasEast]

Romo has much more talent around him, but that is not the difference. Archie never had a big game to choke in. Romo has had several. The GM that said Romo's brain checks out when in pressure situations was right. The thing about Romo that you don't consider is that most people agrees with me. You are a part of a small group that don't want to admit that he has the problem.

Which general manager? Was this another anonymously quoted source or one of the rare few brave enough to criticize outside the shadow of anonymity?

 

[DFWJC]

When a guy has led his team to as many 4th qtr comeback wins as Romo, how can any sane person say "every bit of evidence" says he always gags late in games?

The truth is, the evidence states more toward the opposite.

 

[jnday]

Those types of games? I thought it was just win-or-go-home games? Now Season openers too? Any others?

I have always said pressure games and win or go home is included in that.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I have always said pressure games and win or go home is included in that.

And lo, he spoke, and a new type of phony ESPN-style game has been created: "pressure games". So now when you are playing an out of conference game in week 1 (technically the least important game of all for determining tie-breakers) you are now playing... a pressure game!

 

[gimmesix]

Romo has much more talent around him, but that is not the difference. Archie never had a big game to choke in. Romo has had several. The GM that said Romo's brain checks out when in pressure situations was right. The thing about Romo that you don't consider is that most people agrees with me. You are a part of a small group that don't want to admit that he has the problem.

I don't think that's the case. As more and more people take a real look at the issue instead of just listening to the few loudmouths in the media who have always blamed Romo, more and more have been stepping up to support Romo because they've been enlightened by the truth of the matter. If you believe most people agree with you, you're probably only looking and listening to the ones who do, because this is a divisive issue with plenty on both sides of it (the smart ones who understand the truth and the deluded who think Romo's to blame. ).

I do think it's funny that you say "Archie never had a big game to choke in" as if that means that Manning never felt pressure to win. When the Saints went 7-9 and had an opportunity for the first winning season in Manning's 10 years, do you not believe he saw those games as big games? In fact, he probably saw every game as a must-win because his team was so bad.

But I guess since "most people" agree with you, that makes it OK that a straw-man argument is used to only target Romo.

 

[Denim Chicken]

And lo, he spoke, and a new type of phony ESPN-style game has been created: "pressure games". So now when you are playing an out of conference game in week 1 (technically the least important game of all for determining tie-breakers) you are now playing... a pressure game!

Yes, and it stands to reason that all of Tony's 4Q comeback wins are in non-pressure games.

 

[jnday]

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Which general manager? Was this another anonymously quoted source or one of the rare few brave enough to criticize outside the shadow of anonymity?

There is a thread on it. Of course thy are not going to allow their names to be used. That is unprofessional.

 

[DFWJC]

Yes, and it stands to reason that all of Tony's 4Q comeback wins are in non-pressure games.

That right, every single one of them would flip to big choke fails if they don't get the comeback win.
But since they did come through in those "always choke" situations all of those times, those games don't count.

 

[jnday]

I don't think that's the case. As more and more people take a real look at the issue instead of just listening to the few loudmouths in the media who have always blamed Romo, more and more have been stepping up to support Romo because they've been enlightened by the truth of the matter. If you believe most people agree with you, you're probably only looking and listening to the ones who do, because this is a divisive issue with plenty on both sides of it (the smart ones who understand the truth and the deluded who think Romo's to blame. ).

I do think it's funny that you say "Archie never had a big game to choke in" as if that means that Manning never felt pressure to win. When the Saints went 7-9 and had an opportunity for the first winning season in Manning's 10 years, do you not believe he saw those games as big games? In fact, he probably saw every game as a must-win because his team was so bad.

But I guess since "most people" agree with you, that makes it OK that a straw-man argument is used to only target Romo.

Something to consider since you are in the minority. Can you honestly say that if Romo chokes away several more games that your mind can be changed? I doubt it. You have to much of a emotional investment to change. I think most Romo lovers will never admit that he does it. For better or worse, he is just another player to me. If he pulls some of the pressure games out, I will give him credit. I doubt it happens at this stage of his career though.

 

[DallasEast]

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There is a thread on it. Of course thy are not going to allow their names to be used. That is unprofessional.

Unless it involves something of grave or legal importance, it is unprofessional to allow someone who is being publicly criticized to not know who his or her critic is. The media's use of anonymous sources for unimportant news topics is cowardly and always subject to question.

 

[CCBoy]

Something to consider since you are in the minority. Can you honestly say that if Romo chokes away several more games that your mind can be changed? I doubt it. You have to much of a emotional investment to change. I think most Romo lovers will never admit that he does it. For better or worse, he is just another player to me. If he pulls some of the pressure games out, I will give him credit. I doubt it happens at this stage of his career though.

With that direction taken, how do you feel about the Giant's Manning now? Top shelf still?

 

[DFWJC]

Something to consider since you are in the minority. Can you honestly say that if Romo chokes away several more games that your mind can be changed? I doubt it. You have to much of a emotional investment to change. I think most Romo lovers will never admit that he does it. For better or worse, he is just another player to me. If he pulls some of the pressure games out, I will give him credit. I doubt it happens at this stage of his career though.

So the most recent game he played in...so the very most recent data to go by....you don't think THAT was a "pressure game"?