Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[Denim Chicken]

No doubt.
Certainly not a choke though. Think how comical it sounds to think that he would be dropping back to pass and thinking "wow, this is a 9-11 anniversary game so it's way bigger than most games" even though he'd already shredded that Jets defense all game.

In fact, he may have played better vs the Jets that game than any other QB did...especially in NY. Yet that one play vs the best CB in football somehow means he was choking.

It's just so ludicrous.

Tony is just a true patriot. He let NY win on 9-11

 

[percyhoward]

Percy's stats are designed...

...around the radical idea of taking all the plays that count... and counting them.

So that it's all there to see, instead of parts of it being hidden or highlighted to serve a particular argument.

 

[Vtwin]

That int was a clever trap by Revis. But, ya it sucked.

And Bryant saw open field and broke that way instead of coming back to the ball and fighting off Revis.

I actually place more blame on Romo for the fumble.

 

[jnday]

I don't consider being "clutch" winning a game in a blowout. I doubt most consider that as being a "clutch" performance. A lot of games get diminished when you lose the one game that ends your season. The Pats won 18 games in 2007 but they got diminished due to their loss in the SB. If you look at the careers of most great QB's their legacy's were built off of only a few games but they were HUGE games in which they came up big. Joe Namath would have been just another good QB had it not been for his guarantee and huge win over the Colts in the SB. That one win made his career and is the only game he or anyone else ever talks about. There's a handful of games that are associated with Staubach, Bradshaw, Akiman and Montana that everyone remembers because they were huge games that had a great impact on their careers. They're viewed by how they performed in those games.

Take away Montana's 4 SB performances and his clutch 90 yard drive in the 81 NFC title game and where would that have left his career? His career was built off of 5 big games. Had Staubach's Hail Mary back in 1975 happened in week 4 of the regular season that year no one would remember it but it happened in a playoff game. If Romo had average statistical regular seasons but came up big in elimination/playoff games he wouldn't carry the stigma he does today. Take golf for example it's not how many tournaments a golfer wins that makes them a great player it's the number of MAJOR tournaments they win that makes them great. It's the clutch putts and major wins that put Tiger Woods on the map.

Your post in this thread have been great. I see it one way. Troy and Roger stepped their game up in pressure situations. It brought out the best in them. Romo has folded under the pressure and he doesn't play well in those games. Some players thrive under pressure and some crumble. I think it is just hard for some Cowboy fans to accept that fault in Romo because he can look so good in certain situations . When things are going good for the Cowboys, Romo is a good QB. He is not so good when things are not going their way. He does have the ability to change the flow of the game. I remember some of Roger's teammates saying that they knew Roger could win the game for them if they put the ball in his hands in the final minute. Even the fans knew that Roger could do it . I don't think Romo's teammates or fans has that feeling. They may hope Romo can do it, but they knew Roger could. I think you are one of the few posters on this board that can understand this.

 

[Apollo Creed]

What makes Romo's numbers even more impressive is that he is throwing the ball into even tighter windows than QBs that have any semblance of a running game.

If Dallas could establish the run, keep linebackers and safeties honest, it would make play action that much more effective and give Romo a real chance to succeed.

To me, his stats are deflated compared to what he could do on a team like Seattle. In a situation like that he could take risks and know he has a defense to bail him out.

If Romo throws a pick in Dallas, it almost immediately turns into points for the other team.

Hell we couldn't even force the Saints to punt, not a single time, 107 first downs. It's a miracle with Romo has done in Dallas under these circumstances over the past 3-4 years.

 

[KJJ]

...around the radical idea of taking all the plays that count... and counting them.

So that it's all there to see, instead of parts of it being hidden or highlighted to serve a particular argument.

The plays that have really counted have given him a 1-6 elimination game record and a reputation for choking.

 

[5Stars]

The plays that have really counted have given him a 1-6 elimination game record and a reputation for choking.

The games leading up to his supposed 1-6 elimination games don't count, huh? So, who got the team to even be in the position to get to play 7 games?

If only the opposing team was not getting paid to play, then maybe Romo might win one or two more. lol

Your slop on this forum is really embarrassing you and you don't even know it! TEAM not HIM!

 

[Apollo Creed]

The plays that have really counted have given him a 1-6 elimination game record and a reputation for choking.

In these 'elimination' games you're talking about.

2008: Defense gave up 44 points
2009: Defense gave up 34 points
2011: Defense gave up 31 points
2012: Defense gave up 28 points

Last years game against Washington was technically an 'elimination' game and he won that with a broken back.

 

[Picksix]

The plays that have really counted have given him a 1-6 elimination game record and a reputation for choking.

Well, that's one way of looking at it. A very narrow one.

 

[5Stars]

Well, that's one way of looking at it. A very narrow one.

KJJ claims to have 8 million or more followers on the internet....so 8 million or more internet posters must have the same narrow logic as he does! lol

 

[Aurican]

I know I will regret this but I must ask why is that necessary?

Please bear with me...

A quick browse of John Elway's and Joe Montana's Pro Football Hall of Fame bios includes the entries of: "Elway’s record 47 fourth quarter game-winning or game-tying drives are legendary" and "Montana directed his teams to 31 fourth quarter come-from-behind wins during his illustrious career".

Neither entry says anything about wins over plus .500 teams. Why should they?

My apologies for taking another Romo bashfest off its already off-beaten path but wouldn't your self-serving criteria to criticize Romo's fourth quarter comebacks equally apply to all quarterbacks assigned the same stat?

Hey I'm not the one that brought up 4th quarter comebacks as this impressive stat to support Romo but logic would dictate that the level of competition would be relevant right? Regarding the other QB's you listed I have no idea how many were against winning teams I'm guessing it's not listed to make it seem more impressive, if they were all against winning teams you bet it would be listed as well. I know a couple seasons ago Dallas could barely score during the first half of games so it's not surprising Romo's comebacks are high but wouldn't it also make sense he shares part of the blame for not scoring at all during the first half?

 

[Apollo Creed]

Just so we can kill the myth of Romo of being horrible in elimination games.

The defense averaged giving up 30 points per game.

Pretty tough to win like that.

I'd love to see Joe Flacco, Big Ben, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning's defenses' numbers in elimination games. Since Super Bowl winning, future hall of famers, are the only guys everyone wants to compare an undrafted free agent with no defense or running game to.

 

[5Stars]

Just so we can kill the myth of Romo of being horrible in elimination games.

The defense averaged giving up 30 points per game.

Pretty tough to win like that.

I'd love to see Joe Flacco, Big Ben, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning's defenses' numbers in elimination games. Since Super Bowl winning, future hall of famers, are the only guys everyone wants to compare an undrafted free agent with no defense or running game to.

Defense does not count to the logic lacking Romo hate group. All those QB's you listed could have won a Superbowl with the worst defense in NFL History. Why Romo can't, I have no clue....lol

 

[KJJ]

Your post in this thread have been great. I see it one way. Troy and Roger stepped their game up in pressure situations. It brought out the best in them. Romo has folded under the pressure and he doesn't play well in those games. Some players thrive under pressure and some crumble. I think it is just hard for some Cowboy fans to accept that fault in Romo because he can look so good in certain situations . When things are going good for the Cowboys, Romo is a good QB. He is not so good when things are not going their way. He does have the ability to change the flow of the game. I remember some of Roger's teammates saying that they knew Roger could win the game for them if they put the ball in his hands in the final minute. Even the fans knew that Roger could do it . I don't think Romo's teammates or fans has that feeling. They may hope Romo can do it, but they knew Roger could. I think you are one of the few posters on this board that can understand this.

I'm just glad there's at least a few on this board who aren't living in a fantasy world where Romo is King and can do no wrong. Pressure brings out the best in some and the worst in others. Romo is a very good QB but things have to be going the Cowboys way or he's not very good. When he tries to do too much he melts down there's 8 seasons that back that up. He follows one mistake with another which is why he has 12 turnovers in his 6 elimination game losses. If he's able to manage a game like he did twice vs Philly in 09 he plays very steady. The players around Staubach believed in him and so did the fans because he got it done time and time again. He built his reputation for being clutch in big games.

Two of his most clutch performances came in playoff games vs SF and Minn. One of them came in his final regular season game vs Washington in 79 with the NFC East on the line. The players and the fans always believed Roger would get it done. The players and fans certainly don't have that feeling today in regards to Romo. Even his own HC has shown a lack of faith in him by taking the ball out of his hands in the final moments of games over the past 3 seasons. The fans have lost so much faith in Romo that during the Cowboys/Broncos game thread last season several fans called Romo's int just before it happened. Contrary to what the agenda crowd chants I like Romo he's been a very good QB just not a great QB.

 

[KJJ]

Well, that's one way of looking at it. A very narrow one.

I gave an honest answer. No one hates hearing the truth more than Cowboy FANS.

 

[5Stars]

I'm just glad there's at least a few on this board who aren't living in a fantasy world where Romo is King and can do no wrong. Pressure brings out the best in some and the worst in others. Romo is a very good QB but things have to be going the Cowboys way or he's not very good. When he tries to do too much he melts down there's 8 seasons that back that up. He follows one mistake with another which is why he has 12 turnovers in his 6 elimination game losses. If he's able to manage a game like he did twice vs Philly in 09 he plays very steady. The players around Staubach believed in him and so did the fans because he got it done time and time again. He built his reputation for being clutch in big games.

Two of his most clutch performances came in playoff games vs SF and Minn. One of them came in his final regular season game vs Washington in 79 with the NFC East on the line. The players and the fans always believed Roger would get it done. The players and fans certainly don't have that feeling today in regards to Romo. Even his own HC has shown a lack of faith in him by taking the ball out of his hands in the final moments of games over the past 3 seasons. The fans have lost so much faith in Romo that during the Cowboys/Broncos game thread last season several fans called Romo's int just before it happened. Contrary to what the agenda crowd chants I like Romo he's been a very good QB just not a great QB.

Yeah, add those same 5 or 6 posters that dog Romo like you do for everything wrong with the team to your 8 million followers. You are so full of crap...read the bold part of this trash!

 

[KJJ]

In these 'elimination' games you're talking about.

2008: Defense gave up 44 points
2009: Defense gave up 34 points
2011: Defense gave up 31 points
2012: Defense gave up 28 points

Last years game against Washington was technically an 'elimination' game and he won that with a broken back.

The defense having to defend Romo's 11 turnovers didn't help their cause did it? The defense played terrible and so did Romo in 3 of those games check his stats and passer ratings. Last years game vs Washington was not an "elimination game" and he didn't have a broken back.

 

[Nation]

The defense having to defend Romo's 11 turnovers didn't help their cause did it? The defense played terrible and so did Romo in 3 of those games check his stats and passer ratings. Last years game vs Washington was not an "elimination game" and he didn't have a broken back.

The Cowboys would have been eliminated had they lost that game. How wasn't it an elimination game?

 

[5Stars]

The Cowboys would have been eliminated had they lost that game. How wasn't it an elimination game?

It wasn't an elimination game because Romo and the team won. lol (well in his mind anyway)!

 

[DFWJC]

The plays that have really counted have given him a 1-6 elimination game record and a reputation for choking.

Ah, I see we're back to tennis and golf again.