LT After The Game?

[kmd24]

Hey, its not cheating, because MLB policy is silent! I'm sure no one would've thought twice. Great argument

MLB practically sanctioned the steroid use of these players by looking the other way and celebrating Sosa and McGwire as they chased down Maris, even though it was obvious that both were juicing.

Anyway, yeah, I think what McGwire did was bad, but it was no more breaking the rules than football players using stickum back in the seventies. If you want to argue that he defrauded fans, then I agree, but only to the extent that we let ourselves be defrauded.

 

[notherbob]

I may be wrong, but I think a lot of football players are using steroids, they're just real good at masking them.

 

[ddh33]

Merriman is a thug and a punk. As good as he is, albeit somewhat overrated, I wouldn't want him here. The fact that someone made fun of him for being such a clown actually scores the Pats some points with me.

 

[RoyBiscuit]

I may be wrong, but I think a lot of football players are using steroids, they're just real good at masking them.

So NFL players are just better at masking the drugs than MLB players? I don't think so.

Bonds, Giambi, McGwire, Sosa....none of them has ever tested positive. Doesn't mean they're innocent. If you don't think all of those guys weren't into some really heavy stuff in thier day, then you're blind.

Bonds, along with Gary Sheffield, god knows how many other pro athletes, and several US Olympians, had access to the most advanced steroid technology on the planet from 1999 until around 2002 or so. They never "masked" it...they didn't have to because at the time there was no test in existence that could've busted them. Athletes in every sport to this day are using steroids because there's always new concoctions going around that aren't going to show up in normal testing. The fact that Olympic athletes did, and still do, use them and get away with it tells you a lot, because the Olympic Committee doesn't screw around when it comes to juicing.

The NFL has had a steroid policy with at least some teeth to it for a long time, and MLB still isn't addressing the problem, even though they are trying to make people think they are. The NFL will still never catch some players juicing, but with the strict testing policies in place, and the technology available to avoid getting caught for the players who insist on doing it, to get caught in the NFL you have to be either a) incredibly stupid, b) extremely careless, or c) narcissistic (or all of the above).

 

[Arch Stanton]

Merriman is a thug and a punk. As good as he is, albeit somewhat overrated, I wouldn't want him here. The fact that someone made fun of him for being such a clown actually scores the Pats some points with me.

Agreed. The Pats disrespected a cheat. :laugh2:

Props to them!

 

[Bleu Star]

That's not a fair comparison. MLB didn't have a policy against the supplements that McGwire used at the time he used them. McGwire's records are tainted to be sure, but he wasn't cheating. Merriman was.

 

[Bleu Star]

Yeah, but steroids have been illegal without a prescription in the U.S. for how long? Shouldn't that be a factor?

The bigger question is, should there even be a need for a policy for drugs classified as controlled substances under US law? I just think that sounds ridiculous. What's MLB's "policy" regarding heroin? If there isn't one on the books, should MLB just give the player a warning the first time he sticks a needle in his arm?

I may be wrong here, but didn't the NFL adjust its steroid policy a long time ago, like when the DEA cracked down on the stuff or soon thereafter?

The difference is, MLB chose to look the other way for a long time, and even thier new "policies" in response to Bonds, McGwire, et al are a total joke compared to the policy the NFL had in place 10-15 years ago. Selig and MLB created thier own problem there.

I love how McGwire "wasn't cheating" because he was using (and obtaining) a controlled substance in an illegal manner that gave him a clear and indisputable advantage over a significant percentage of the competition, simply because MLB didn't get around to addressing it, or just didn't feel like it. What if McGwire just came out and admitted in 1998 that he was popping 250mg of Anadrol every day, or enough to kill a horse? Hey, its not cheating, because MLB policy is silent! I'm sure no one would've thought twice. Great argument

No testing system is foolproof, but the bottom line is that any NFL player getting caught red-handed with steroids in the past 15-20 years, like Merriman did, indicates that he's a either a total idiot or an out of control egomaniac, or both. Merriman seems to fit either or both of those descriptions given his character.

I read Canseco's book. It's very detailed. You can't just make these details up. McGwire was cheating for a very long time.

 

[Bleu Star]

To be clear, I wasn't defending McGwire, I was pointing out that what Merriman did was worse.

MLB has been hypocritical in their treatment of the steroid issue. After all the labor issues over the last couple of decades, don't think that league officials weren't thrilled to see offensive stats rise and excitement grow over the potential to see decades-long records fall. The casual observer could see that guys like McGwire, Sosa, Giambi, and Bonds were juicing, but MLB winked, patted these on the butt, and let them go about their business until the Feds got involved.

Maybe you don't see any difference, but to me, what McGwire did was bad, and what Merriman did was far worse.

Actually lying about it on Capitol Hill with Canseco sitting just a few feet away was far worse than anything Merriman did. I don't think we'll ever see that little weasel McGwire ever again.

"I'm not here to talk about the past", yeah ok Mark you dufus.

 

[kmd24]

Actually lying about it on Capitol Hill with Canseco sitting just a few feet away was far worse than anything Merriman did. I don't think we'll ever see that little weasel McGwire ever again.

"I'm not here to talk about the past", yeah ok Mark you dufus.

Well, Merriman blamed the supplement company on national television and threatened a lawsuit. Too bad he couldn't find the bottle nor remember what he was taking, he could have recouped his four game checks.

 

[trickblue]

Well, Merriman blamed the supplement company on national television and threatened a lawsuit. Too bad he couldn't find the bottle nor remember what he was taking, he could have recouped his four game checks.

Maybe he could help OJ find the real killers...

 

[Bleu Star]

Maybe he could help OJ find the real killers...