RELEASED Lucky Whitehead Cut **merged**

[Kaiser]

The same guy just did the same thing again this year! This time missing day one of school!

I never went to a school that only met 16 times a year and paid me 50 grand or more for every day of class.

 

[Kaiser]

Whether they "cut him anyway" has nothing to do with the fact that they screw up and did cut him over false information.

It wasn't false information at the time they cut him, it was a nationwide warrant for his arrest. If you think that is NBD, answer Asthma's question about the last time an NFL player had an arrest warrent that turned out to be a mistake.

 

[erod]

They made a decision that was in the best interest of the Dallas Cowboys and are moving on

LOL.

Now you have to say it 15 more times.

 

[Sydla]

I took the other paragraphs out because I get what you're saying and, while I don't agree with the people feeling that way, I'm not going to make me and you continue pointing out the two sides of this.

However, this paragraph is where I disagree with what you wrote. It didn't turn out that Lucky hadn't done anything wrong. He's done plenty, even if he had zero to do with this shoplifting incident. I think it is 100% the truth that Lucky had other problems (performance issues aside). I don't think it was damage control (although it might have partially been, I don't know for sure either way). In any event, those other problems are verified going back to last season.

Naturally, the media is going to be asking a lot of questions about it to players/coaches/etc., and in doing so I'm sure they were told there were plenty of other issues. To me, it is Occam's Razor. It is the simplest answer here.

Again, the fact he did other things is largely meaningless in this discussion. Because in the end, the impetus here was the Cowboys thought he had committed a crime in Virginia.

In other words if no story breaks on Monday and there is no shoplifting incident, Lucky is still on this roster and "all the other things" he has done are pretty inconsequential at this point.

To me the simplest answer here is the Cowboys cut him because they thought he had committed a crime then had to do damage control after it turned out Lucky was falsely accused of said crime.

 

[AsthmaField]

It's exactly why they cut him. You know it. I know it. And the world knows it.

Whether they "cut him anyway" has nothing to do with the fact that they screw up and did cut him over false information.

I just don't care. It didn't hurt my feelings at all. So they cut him because the arrest warrant was issued in the wrong name... I don't care because common sense tells me he was gone anyway. Common sense tells me that he had plenty of other issues that absolutely were his own. Common sense tells me it is reasonable for the team to hear about the warrant and go ahead and cut him.

Would I care if it had happened to a good player who hadn't had other problems? Yes. They would have lost something because they didn't wait to let it play out. Nobody lost anything in this case that they weren't already going to lose.

Lucky isn't out of a job because of the false warrant. He's out of a job because he just wasn't that good, the team drafted his replacement, and he had a number of other incidents. Dallas didn't lose a player because of the warrant because he wasn't making the team anyway. Lucky was a goner.

 

[erod]

A camp body punt returner can be acquired before lunch.

Bottom line.

 

[Idgit]

Except that's not really the point and you know it.

It's 100% the point, and you just don't want to accept it.

 

[Sydla]

It wasn't false information at the time they cut him, it was a nationwide warrant for his arrest. If you think that is NBD, answer Asthma's question about the last time an NFL player had an arrest warrent that turned out to be a mistake.

That's a weak defense. Because it literally took a couple of hours after cutting him for it to come out that there was proof he wasn't even in Virginia at the time.

So if that's the argument people are going to make, then the Cowboys were derelict in not following through and getting more information on the situation. It seems that one phone call immediately to the lawyer would have immediately cast doubt on the story considering Lucky's attorney was going public with his narrative almost immediately after Lucky was cut.

And yes, people get wrongfully accused of crimes all the time. I mean holy hell, some of same people arguing for the Cowboys here complain that when the NFL takes players down without doing all the investigating and due diligence required.

 

[Sydla]

It's 100% the point, and you just don't want to accept it.

That's BS and you know it.

It's been said multiple times this isn't specifically about Lucky. I, and I suspect others, would be saying the same thing if say the Cowboys had cut Wilson over his transgressions and then it immediately came out that he had been wrongfully accused.

It's not the player that's the issue. It's the process the Cowboys used. That's the issue.

 

[Nightman]

LOL.

Now you have to say it 15 more times.

They made a decision that was in the best interest of the Dallas Cowboys and are moving on

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

They know more about their players than we do. OKAY!

 

[Stash]

I didn't say the shoplifting had nothing to do with it in the quote of mine you used. I said he wasn't cut for shoplifting alone. I said that because he wasn't. His history and performance was a much bigger issue for him.

No, he was cut for a "last straw" that wasn't true.

Like I asked earlier: When was the last time an NFL player had an arrest warrant out for him and the police had the wrong name? It is perfectly understandable that the team would hear that and say, he's gone anyway and this stuff keeps popping up... let's go ahead and cut him.

So that excuses botching it?

Not unreasonable at all.[/QUOTE]

Put yourself in his wrongly accused position and the try to tell me that.

 

[CATCH17]

I just don't care. It didn't hurt my feelings at all. So they cut him because the arrest warrant was issued in the wrong name... I don't care because common sense tells me he was gone anyway. Common sense tells me that he had plenty of other issues that absolutely were his own. Common sense tells me it is reasonable for the team to hear about the warrant and go ahead and cut him.

Common sense doesn't exist in the media.. Propaganda does though.


The only people that knew he was about to get cut are Cowboys fans.


So the media can play on this and persuade casual fan to believe that this is some kind of injustice.


The reality is that he was barely a fringe player and had a much better chance of extending his career the sooner he was cut. Especially if he was innocent which we now know.

I feel bad for Lucky Whitehead but at the same time he was being held hostage by the Cowboys and he looks like a victim that people are clamoring to give a 2nd chance too so this will all have worked out perfectly for him really.

 

[Alexander]

A couple of blurbs from PFT:

Agent David Rich

“I can’t speak for Lucky, we’d have to have a conversation about it because he loved being a Cowboy so much. I can’t put into words — this dude loved it, loved it as much as I’ve ever had a player love an organization. Loved it. This guy was arguably the most popular player on the team, which is interesting to have this happen to him, but I don’t think so. . . . They basically sat across the table, eye to eye, man to man, and he said, ‘I need you to believe me, coach.’ And they said, ‘We think you’re a liar.'”

“I think they’d already moved on from Lucky. I think they had already decided it was too much of a distraction, I think they drafted Ryan Switzer . . . who does a lot of the things Lucky does, so they just decided he was unnecessary."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nt-he-wouldnt-accept-a-return-to-the-cowboys/

But here’s the thing. The Cowboys apparently didn’t view Whitehead as having poor judgment, because the Cowboys previously had entrusted Whitehead with a function that could have created major embarrassment for the team. As agent Dave Rich explained on Wednesday’s PFT Live, the Cowboys previously had given Whitehead total control of their Snapchat and Instagram accounts — on multiple weekends.

Think about that one. If Whitehead was a guy who consistently made stupid decisions, would he have been given the keys to two of the primary social media accounts owned and operated by America’s Team?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ted-social-media-accounts-to-lucky-whitehead/

 

[Idgit]

That's BS and you know it.

It's been said multiple times this isn't specifically about Lucky. I, and I suspect others, would be saying the same thing if say the Cowboys had cut Wilson over his transgressions and then it immediately came out that he had been wrongfully accused.

It's not the player that's the issue. It's the process the Cowboys used. That's the issue.

And I disagree. A guy who put himself in a precarious situation was pushed off the roster for something that looks not to have been his fault. Ok. That sucks for Lucky, but he's the one who put himself in a precarious position in the first place.

I don't know exactly what Lucky's backlog of indiscretions was. I know he had one. But it's enough for me if the team just didn't believe him and didn't want to deal with the drama and didn't want a guy on the team they didn't automatically believe. The roster spot didn't belong to him. It's the team's to give. If they don't want him on the roster, they can cut him and get another guy they're happier with for whatever reason they want using whatever process makes sense to them. As long as the team's more focussed today than it was yesterday, I'm ok with it. What I don't understand is why anybody wouldn't be.

 

[Stash]

It wasn't false information at the time they cut him, it was a nationwide warrant for his arrest. If you think that is NBD, answer Asthma's question about the last time an NFL player had an arrest warrent that turned out to be a mistake.

Who cares? Do they have to have another team figure it out for them before they themselves know what to do?

 

[Idgit]

....But here’s the thing. The Cowboys apparently didn’t view Whitehead as having poor judgment, because the Cowboys previously had entrusted Whitehead with a function that could have created major embarrassment for the team...

Lol, Florio. Somebody explain to that guy how to tell the difference between an apple and an orange.

 

[erod]

A couple of blurbs from PFT:

Agent David Rich

“I can’t speak for Lucky, we’d have to have a conversation about it because he loved being a Cowboy so much. I can’t put into words — this dude loved it, loved it as much as I’ve ever had a player love an organization. Loved it. This guy was arguably the most popular player on the team, which is interesting to have this happen to him, but I don’t think so. . . . They basically sat across the table, eye to eye, man to man, and he said, ‘I need you to believe me, coach.’ And they said, ‘We think you’re a liar.'”

“I think they’d already moved on from Lucky. I think they had already decided it was too much of a distraction, I think they drafted Ryan Switzer . . . who does a lot of the things Lucky does, so they just decided he was unnecessary."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nt-he-wouldnt-accept-a-return-to-the-cowboys/

But here’s the thing. The Cowboys apparently didn’t view Whitehead as having poor judgment, because the Cowboys previously had entrusted Whitehead with a function that could have created major embarrassment for the team. As agent Dave Rich explained on Wednesday’s PFT Live, the Cowboys previously had given Whitehead total control of their Snapchat and Instagram accounts — on multiple weekends.

Think about that one. If Whitehead was a guy who consistently made stupid decisions, would he have been given the keys to two of the primary social media accounts owned and operated by America’s Team?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ted-social-media-accounts-to-lucky-whitehead/

If he loved it so much, why was he such a screw up all the time?

 

[Stash]

I never went to a school that only met 16 times a year and paid me 50 grand or more for every day of class.

Looks like it's more than "16 times" considering the guy was just fined for missing class and the games havent started yet.

 

[Stash]

I just don't care. It didn't hurt my feelings at all. So they cut him because the arrest warrant was issued in the wrong name... I don't care because common sense tells me he was gone anyway. Common sense tells me that he had plenty of other issues that absolutely were his own. Common sense tells me it is reasonable for the team to hear about the warrant and go ahead and cut him.

Would I care if it had happened to a good player who hadn't had other problems? Yes. They would have lost something because they didn't wait to let it play out. Nobody lost anything in this case that they weren't already going to lose.

Lucky isn't out of a job because of the false warrant. He's out of a job because he just wasn't that good, the team drafted his replacement, and he had a number of other incidents. Dallas didn't lose a player because of the warrant because he wasn't making the team anyway. Lucky was a goner.

He's out of a job now because of a false warrant. Anything else is irrelevant excuse making to cover up that fact.