RELEASED Lucky Whitehead Cut **merged**

[Idgit]

It is not as different as you think.

Why exactly would you entrust someone you really don't find trust worthy or reliable with your social media accounts?

That just sounds irresponsible.

For one, it probably wasn't Jason Garrett who put Lucky 'in charge of weekend snapchats that one time.'

Two, the teams' Snapchat account isn't actually important at all.

Three, there's a difference between playing Wide Receiver and posting on Snapchat and Instagram. There's no equivalency there.

And four, Florio is an ***-hat, and everybody knows it.

 

[Sydla]

Let's agree to disagree.

I criticize the front office plenty, but never when I don't believe it's deserved. It's the resort of someone who doesn't have an answer to the actual argument to suggest a different motive. It'd be like me suggesting you're programmed to attack the team, which I don't believe is the case at all. We just disagree on this one.

And I never said the perception wasn't bad. I said it was the team's prerogative to relaase him for whatever reason they saw fit.

You're flat wrong if you really believe I feel anything deep down other than what I've said already. The team didn't or doesn't owe Lucky anything. And if he weren't a completely expendable player, he'd be on the roster.

You are wrong if you think the people disagreeing with you are doing so because it's simply about Lucky and trying to defend Lucky.

 

[Sydla]

For one, it probably wasn't Jason Garrett who put Lucky 'in charge of weekend snapchats that one time.'

Two, the teams' Snapchat account isn't actually important at all.

Three, there's a difference between playing Wide Receiver and posting on Snapchat and Instagram. There's no equivalency there.

And four, Florio is an ***-hat, and everybody knows it.

If Garrett has a problem with Lucky and his maturity and other issues, then the front office certainly knows about it. And if the front office knows about issues surrounding Lucky Whitehead, they probably would not put him in control of social media accounts owned by the Cowboys.

So yeah, it's a bit bizarre that the Cowboys would put a player in charge of some of their social media accounts if they don't trust his judgment.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Actually, we don't know if Gregory is any good because he hasn't been on the field long enough to find out. Gregory has "potential" and there's a big difference between potential and productive. There's plenty of ex-players that never fulfilled their potential for one reason or another and in Gregory's case, it's been largely self-inflicted.

No we don't know, but the coaches have seen him in practice and such. They know if he's good or not. Just saying a bigger message could be sent by cutting him, not Lucky.

Lucky just ain't good.

 

[plasticman]

Oh,they know MORE!,,,
plenty more.
Like a billion dollar behemoth outfit doesn't keep tabs on it's assets?
Logic dictates they've slotted individual 'assets' into a multi tiered casing-liner based on background, histories, projected actions and psychological profiles along with just basic observations,,,and the list is compiled,then necessary actions are taken to maintain the integrity and well-being of listed asset,,,but then again maybe not! And Lucky just flat out got HOSED in grand fashion.

It's difficult to come to a conclusion, I would like to beleive there is something we don't know that they can'y divulge for legal reasons.

However, the bottom line is that if there are no other extenuating circumstances then it doean't matter if they were going to cut him anyway, which is also impossible to predict, especially if a few guys get hurt.

The perception of the players are important. They would put themaelves in Lucky's shoes. Suppose they were wrongfully charged through no fault of their own. They would wonder if the the mamagememt would take time to get all the facts, or does that only apply to starters.

Just passing it off with the excuse that he would have been cut anyway is avoiding the real issue. Was it fair? Was it just? How would you feel if it was you and not Lucky?

Let ua say that you were on final notice from your job and then you got fired
for something you didn't do, even after they find out you were innocent. Would it be okay if they told you, well, you were probably going to get fired anyway?

 

[jwooten15]

That's the point most here are making. Few, if any, are trying to mount a defense for Lucky or for keeping Lucky.

He was expendable which is why the Cowboys were quick to cut him without thinking about any potential negative outcomes here.

I've read most of you and Idgit's discussion and I'm a little confused as to the point you're trying to make.

Are you just mostly upset at the backlash the team is getting for making a rash decision? Or are you mad at the team for making that rash decision?

Genuinely curious. Not being facetious.

 

[Stash]

He wasn't cut for just that. Geez. Are you telling me you think that if the shoplifting thing never happened that Lucky was going to be on the Cowboys 53 man roster this year?

Not one bit. Not one time have I ever said anything close.

If you don't think that, then his performance and previous issues come in to play on any release of Lucky, regardless of timing.

Of course they did. I've said I'd have released him last year. But that doesn't change the fact that the guys "last straw" was based on a lie.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Dwayne Harris was much better than Lucky.

I would actually be arguing in Dwayne's behalf, but that was about money.

 

[Alexander]

For one, it probably wasn't Jason Garrett who put Lucky 'in charge of weekend snapchats that one time.'

Two, the teams' Snapchat account isn't actually important at all.

Three, there's a difference between playing Wide Receiver and posting on Snapchat and Instagram. There's no equivalency there.

And four, Florio is an ***-hat, and everybody knows it.

Again, you are so over the top to claim there is no relation and slam Florio that you are missing the general point.

If this is a player who has a reputation for being untrustworthy, why give him the platform, even for a second?

You might dismiss the team Snapchat, but to young fans, it is probably a lot more significant than you think. And don't think for a second that Instagram is "not actually important at all". Outside of Twitter, it is the biggest social media platform there is.

All in all, it just points to poor judgment overall to allow him even temporary control. If you dismiss that, then the suggestion becomes he was not held nearly in as low regard by the organization as has been sold.

And if his agent is even remotely correct in his assertion that Whitehead was arguably the most popular player on the team, it is not something that will be forgotten quickly. Even if it should be.

 

[Sydla]

I've read most of you and Idgit's discussion and I'm a little confused as to the point you're trying to make.

Are you just mostly upset at the backlash the team is getting for making a rash decision? Or are you mad at the team for making that rash decision?

Genuinely curious. Not being facetious.

Both really. It has nothing to do with Whitehead. I'd feel the same way regardless of who the player was.

I think the Cowboys screwed up and rushed to make a move on a player trying to get ahead of what looked like was going to be another negative story about a Cowboys player getting in trouble with the law. So they rushed to make a move and in the process came off looking poorly because they ended up cutting a player who actually didn't commit a crime. The negative PR isn't needed and was pretty much avoidable here. Their intention was to try to spin a positive narrative here and instead they are now getting negative PR in the national press over cutting a guy who committed no crime.

Further, I think the "leaks" after the fact that he had other issues is just damage control at this point. They know they look bad at this point.

 

[Roadtrip635]

No we don't know, but the coaches have seen him in practice and such. They know if he's good or not. Just saying a bigger message could be sent by cutting him, not Lucky.

Lucky just ain't good.

Exactly, everyone knew Lucky was gonna get cut for performance reasons, so when they made it seem it was over accountability, it was a hollow message. I said it earlier in this thread, JG wanted to put on a show about being tough and demanding responsibility, but the show turned into a circus.

 

[Sydla]

He wasn't cut for just that. Geez. Are you telling me you think that if the shoplifting thing never happened that Lucky was going to be on the Cowboys 53 man roster this year?

If you don't think that, then his performance and previous issues come in to play on any release of Lucky, regardless of timing.

No, he probably wouldn't be on the 53 man roster at the end of camp.

But he most likely would still be in Oxnard today preparing for this evening's first full pad practice.

 

[Idgit]

Again, you are so over the top to claim there is no relation and slam Florio that you are missing the general point.

If this is a player who has a reputation for being untrustworthy, why give him the platform, even for a second?

You might dismiss the team Snapchat, but to young fans, it is probably a lot more significant than you think. And don't think for a second that Instagram is "not actually important at all". Outside of Twitter, it is the biggest social media platform there is.

All in all, it just points to poor judgment overall to allow him even temporary control. If you dismiss that, then the suggestion becomes he was not held nearly in as low regard by the organization as has been sold.

And if his agent is even remotely correct in his assertion that Whitehead was arguably the most popular player on the team, it is not something that will be forgotten quickly. Even if it should be.

Again, Jason Garrett probably isn't the person who put Lucky in charge of Snapchat that one weekend. It's not exactly his pay grade.

And again, that platform isn't as important as Florio suggests. It's not that social media platforms aren't important. It's that there wasn't more jeopardy in putting Lucky Whitehead in charge of them or a few days than there was letting whichever wet-behind-the-ears intern who usually handles it handle it.

Enough with this, though. If you can't mount a more serious criticism, it's not interesting.

And if we can't agree that Florio is an ******, there is no hope for a rational meeting of minds, anyway.

 

[Idgit]

If Garrett has a problem with Lucky and his maturity and other issues, then the front office certainly knows about it. And if the front office knows about issues surrounding Lucky Whitehead, they probably would not put him in control of social media accounts owned by the Cowboys.

So yeah, it's a bit bizarre that the Cowboys would put a player in charge of some of their social media accounts if they don't trust his judgment.

We can agree to disagree on this one, too, then. It's irrelevant that he was put in charge of the team's snapchat account on a couple of weekends. What matters is what he did in team meetings and on the field. The skills aren't the same, and the importance of proper performance isn't the same. There isn't an equivalency here. It's just another stupid criticism to try to make the team look bad for it's decision to cut ties with a fringe player.

 

[Philmonroe]

It's difficult to come to a conclusion, I would like to beleive there is something we don't know that they can'y divulge for legal reasons.

However, the bottom line is that if there are no other extenuating circumstances then it doean't matter if they were going to cut him anyway, which is also impossible to predict, especially if a few guys get hurt.

The perception of the players are important. They would put themaelves in Lucky's shoes. Suppose they were wrongfully charged through no fault of their own. They would wonder if the the mamagememt would take time to get all the facts, or does that only apply to starters.

Just passing it off with the excuse that he would have been cut anyway is avoiding the real issue. Was it fair? Was it just? How would you feel if it was you and not Lucky?

Let ua say that you were on final notice from your job and then you got fired
for something you didn't do, even after they find out you were innocent. Would it be okay if they told you, well, you were probably going to get fired anyway?

With bold I don't think one person has answered this question because I've asked it a few times and I don't recall an answer. I'd find it surprising if more than a few say they would be the same because ime people take more aggressive stances on other people's situations not their own.

 

[Trouty]

No, it was a good move. Very Jimmy or Belichick-ish.

Was it far to cut poor ole Curvin Richards.

Is it fair that Belichick has cut or traded players just for being opinionated?

Lucky's previous actions eliminated any buffer he might otherwise get in this situation.

They wouldn't have cut Heath in this situation despite not being a star player because he has followed the rules and would get the benefit of the doubt.

The reason Millennials are the way they are is their parents were too soft.

My parents weren't too soft. These millennial generalizations are lazy and tick me off. If that doesn't matter to you, X, then so be it.

My mom fought cancer for 5 years before passing when I was 17. I've never seen a stronger women. My dad has maintained a family business that my grandpa started in the 50s. Some of our clients have been Bob Hope, Frank Sinatra, and Tennesee Williams. My grandpa used to golf with them regularly at the Toluca Lake Country Club, as well. My dad carried the transition, seamlessly, when his father (my grandpa) passed in 1983. I was three months old.

My parents are tough. I'm a millennial. And I take great umbrage at broad-brush, disparaging remarks made at my generation.

 

[Sydla]

We can agree to disagree on this one, too, then. It's irrelevant that he was put in charge of the team's snapchat account on a couple of weekends. What matters is what he did in team meetings and on the field. The skills aren't the same, and the importance of proper performance isn't the same. There isn't an equivalency here. It's just another stupid criticism to try to make the team look bad for it's decision to cut ties with a fringe player.

Why do you keep failing to mention Instagram? That's not some piddly, small social media platform. Cowboys use their Instagram account a lot and has 2.4 million followers. You don't turn over one of your biggest social media accounts that has millions of followers, to a guy who apparently the Cowboys believe has serious maturity and trustfulness issues.

The reality is that the Cowboys only started talking about potential Whitehead issues because they knew they had egg on their face when the news came out that Whitehead wasn't even in Virginia at the time of the crime.

 

[Melonfeud]

It's difficult to come to a conclusion, I would like to beleive there is something we don't know that they can'y divulge for legal reasons.

However, the bottom line is that if there are no other extenuating circumstances then it doean't matter if they were going to cut him anyway, which is also impossible to predict, especially if a few guys get hurt.

The perception of the players are important. They would put themaelves in Lucky's shoes. Suppose they were wrongfully charged through no fault of their own. They would wonder if the the mamagememt would take time to get all the facts, or does that only apply to starters.

Just passing it off with the excuse that he would have been cut anyway is avoiding the real issue. Was it fair? Was it just? How would you feel if it was you and not Lucky?

Let ua say that you were on final notice from your job and then you got fired
for something you didn't do, even after they find out you were innocent. Would it be okay if they told you, well, you were probably going to get fired anyway?

Copy! I prefer to think his walking papers had already been printed (last season)
And signed( Switzer draft)

I don't want to think this was a frantic knee jerk reaction, blindly fired off by the F.O. in a feeble effort of saving team face and image,,,so I won't! Also, I don't want to think about hearing on down the road that lucky is implicated in a brutal passion killing (aka,Slingblade) of the perpetrator who engineered his NFL demise(in his view)
So,,,hopefully he gets picked up by another team and can play some focused football

 

[Zimmy Lives]

It's quite hilarious that after all this time as a HC, Garrett still has a problem with his timing.
When to use timeouts, when not to use timeouts, icing your own kicker..........and now he can't even get the timing right about when to cut a player.

I find it ironic that JG cut Lucky for being a distraction to the team when cutting Lucky has actually been a bigger distraction.....

Lol, Florio. Somebody explain to that guy how to tell the difference between an apple and an orange.

Seriously.

I use the responsibility/reward system with my kids after I've had to discipline them for not-so-good decisions. Perhaps the Cowboys were trying to show faith in Lucky? It has nothing to do with trust.

 

[dallasdave]

My parents weren't too soft. These millennial generalizations are lazy and tick me off. If that doesn't matter to you, X, than so be it.

My mom fought cancer for 5 years before passing when I was 17. I've never seen a stronger women. My dad has mainatained a family business that my grandpa started in the 50s. Some of our clients have been Bob Hope, Frank Sinatra, and Tennesee Williams. My grandpa used to golf with them regularly at the Toluca Lake Country Club, as well. My dad carried the transition, seamlessly, when his father (my grandpa) passed in 1983. I was three months old.

My parents are tough. I'm a millennial. And I take great umbrage at broad-brush, disparaging remarks made at my generation.

Need I tell you what my generation has gone through? My cohorts. My battles. Need I?