M. Bennett & D. Ware - Will this team win a SB in next two years?

DallasDomination said:
We won't win a sb unless we fix the defense. Think of the better offenses out there that can and will put up points against us. There a just too many and even if we get past the NFC the afc has the patriots,raiders and steelers that can put up points. Not gonna happen.
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The sad part of this argument is that fans are basically saying, "We need a complete team top to bottom to win the Super Bowl."

And this, really, is an indictment on coaching. It's the same when fans say, Tony Romo needs a defense, he needs a running game, etc. What they're saying is Tony Romo really isn't as great as we wish he was. If you need all that, then you're not really one of those transcendent players who can lift a team and get it to where you want it to go. Granted, there are few of those players anyway.

Similarly, if we need to be great across our roster, why do we even need Jason Garrett? He's supposed to give us an edge when we're not a Super Team.

I like his approach, but he's really a coach who is growing with the team. He has not arrived yet as he doesn't really give us an advantage over other squads, not like Belichick who can take scraps from the NFL free agency heap and make them super stars and Super Bowl-caliber players. Shrug.
 
tyke1doe said:
The sad part of this argument is that fans are basically saying, "We need a complete team top to bottom to win the Super Bowl."

And this, really, is an indictment on coaching. It's the same when fans say, Tony Romo needs a defense, he needs a running game, etc. What they're saying is Tony Romo really isn't as great as we wish he was. If you need all that, then you're not really one of those transcendent players who can lift a team and get it to where you want it to go. Granted, there are few of those players anyway.

Similarly, if we need to be great across our roster, why do we even need Jason Garrett? He's supposed to give us an edge when we're not a Super Team.

I like his approach, but he's really a coach who is growing with the team. He has not arrived yet as he doesn't really give us an advantage over other squads, not like Belichick who can take scraps from the NFL free agency heap and make them super stars and Super Bowl-caliber players. Shrug.
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Ehh. No. We do need an improved defense. It just is what it is. In our current situation the offense is elite, so it comes off as we need to be complete top to bottom. The reality is that the defense just isn't good enough, and is a glaring weakness in a long line of glaring weaknesses. The team just hasn't found a sweet spot.

Since we can't pull from the offense to improve the defense, the only thing to do / point at is the D needs improvement.
 
Proof said:
Ehh. No. We do need an improved defense. It just is what it is. In our current situation the offense is elite, so it comes off as we need to be complete top to bottom. The reality is that the defense just isn't good enough, and is a glaring weakness in a long line of glaring weaknesses. The team just hasn't found a sweet spot.

Since we can't pull from the offense to improve the defense, the only thing to do / point at is the D needs improvement.
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I don't know if you said anything that I didn't. Improved defense, more talent, a pass rush extraordinaire. It's all the same.

We need a better defense to go with a very, very good offense. Hence, we need a better team from top to bottom or one that can field top units on offense and defense (is that better?) in order to get to the Super Bowl.
But who couldn't coach the great Baltimore Ravens defense that won the franchise's first Super Bowl? Who couldn't win with the Chicago Bear's stifling defense?
If you have a complete team on both sides of the ball, you don't have as much need for a genius coach (see Barry Switzer). But absent such a team, you need a coach that gives you an advantage.

I just don't see where Jason Garrett has given us an advantage in the playoffs so we'd better build the best team we possibly can because his coaching aint taking us to the big dance unless he comes of age.
 
robbieruff said:
If we commit to fixing D then we will win SB. If we BS around and don't bring in the talent to do so...then no.

It's as simple as that.
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#1 - You are assuming the Offense will remain at its high level while we ignore it in order to commit the high level resources needed to fix the defense. If we "fix" the defense only to have the offense fall apart, we'll still be in the same position. With the likely departure of Williams, Witten a year older, and Dez seemingly being a lot more injury prone nowadays, it is not far fetched to see our receiving game go downhill if we don't add quality resources there.

#2 - You are assuming we "hit" on those defensive resources we bring in. We have proven to be great at picking offense with premium picks but we have not proven so with defense. Claiborne and Jones, while both okay, are not home runs which elevate our team as first round picks should. And free agents, no matter how productive on former teams, are usually a crap-shoot, often being busts with there next team.

#3 - Even if we do as you said and our offense stays great and our defense improves greatly, it still doesn't guarantee us a Superbowl. Injuries, inconsistent coaching, bad refereeing and just bad luck can derail any team.

So no, not simple as that at all.

That being said, I agree we need to lean toward defense in all our immediate decisions as it is still our most glaring deficiency. I just disagree with your "simple" and seemingly guaranteed SB portions of your statement. :)
 
Howboutdemcowboys31 said:
I was so glad Marty B dropped the game winner and that it was someone else who got it. Don't even care how petty I sound
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He also drew the PI that got them to the goal line. The funny thing is Brady trusted him enough to go to him twice in clutch situations. Marty definitely gets the last laugh for all of us hating on him. We could have certainly used Marty better than what we did.
 
lol @ last laugh.. He found himself in the perfect situation after bouncing from 3 other teams.
 
tyke1doe said:
I don't know if you said anything that I didn't. Improved defense, more talent, a pass rush extraordinaire. It's all the same.

We need a better defense to go with a very, very good offense. Hence, we need a better team from top to bottom or one that can field top units on offense and defense (is that better?) in order to get to the Super Bowl.
But who couldn't coach the great Baltimore Ravens defense that won the franchise's first Super Bowl? Who couldn't win with the Chicago Bear's stifling defense?
If you have a complete team on both sides of the ball, you don't have as much need for a genius coach (see Barry Switzer). But absent such a team, you need a coach that gives you an advantage.

I just don't see where Jason Garrett has given us an advantage in the playoffs so we'd better build the best team we possibly can because his coaching aint taking us to the big dance unless he comes of age.
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Sorry I bungled my articulation.

Here's what I'm saying. In a vacuum the defense needs to be improved. Independent of what we have on offense, it's not (imo) a defense built for a championship run. We don't need a great defense in conjunction with our elite offense, we need an improved defense in general.

Most were pounding the table for defense before Dak and Zeke, their emergence doesn't change anything other than making the season we had harder to swallow
 
tyke1doe said:
Not agreeing on the drunken ways, but I do believe if Parcells had stayed as coach, we would have at least gotten to a NFC Championship.
I think the biggest mistake the Cowboys made was making the team a Romo-friendly team. I think had we remained in the style of offensive play that Parcells coached, it would have served us better in the long run.

Granted, Parcells was getting older and I don't know how much he had left (he really didn't have much left), but I liked his style of play, the methodical, grinding, don't-make-mistakes-wear-them-down mentality of playing the game.

I've said from the beginning Tony Romo needed to be shielded with a running game. Not that he wasn't/isn't a very good quarterback. But he was too much like Brett Favre, who only won ONE Super Bowl but cost the Packers several more with his propensity for boneheaded plays.

I hope we don't take the same approach with Dak. I think he'll be a very good quarterback too, but don't put everything on his shoulders. There aren't but a few Tom Bradys. Everyone else needs a running game.

We have everything in place on offense. We need a pass rush and a coaching staff who knows how to prepare the team and call the right plays down the playoff stretch.
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You might want to check on his offensive line. He's had some of the best protection this league has ever seen.
 
erod said:
Barry Sanders, Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Tony Gonzalez, Ladanian Tomlinson, Cris Carter, Warren Moon, Adrian Peterson, Antonio Gates....

Lots and lots of great players don't win a Super Bowl.

But Romo and Witten have both been victimized by Jerry and his drunken ways.
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Romo isn't in their class
 
tyke1doe said:
Not agreeing on the drunken ways, but I do believe if Parcells had stayed as coach, we would have at least gotten to a NFC Championship.
I think the biggest mistake the Cowboys made was making the team a Romo-friendly team. I think had we remained in the style of offensive play that Parcells coached, it would have served us better in the long run.

Granted, Parcells was getting older and I don't know how much he had left (he really didn't have much left), but I liked his style of play, the methodical, grinding, don't-make-mistakes-wear-them-down mentality of playing the game.

I've said from the beginning Tony Romo needed to be shielded with a running game. Not that he wasn't/isn't a very good quarterback. But he was too much like Brett Favre, who only won ONE Super Bowl but cost the Packers several more with his propensity for boneheaded plays.

I hope we don't take the same approach with Dak. I think he'll be a very good quarterback too, but don't put everything on his shoulders. There aren't but a few Tom Bradys. Everyone else needs a running game.

We have everything in place on offense. We need a pass rush and a coaching staff who knows how to prepare the team and call the right plays down the playoff stretch.
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Romo is 8th on the all time list of TD to INT ratio. Are we still giving alternative facts about this guy after all Dallas put him through? Smh. Proceed, sir.
 
I have no reason to believe this team is going to win a SB in the next two years. If they can get in the playoffs and win a game or two I will change my mind.
 
tyke1doe said:
The sad part of this argument is that fans are basically saying, "We need a complete team top to bottom to win the Super Bowl."

And this, really, is an indictment on coaching. It's the same when fans say, Tony Romo needs a defense, he needs a running game, etc. What they're saying is Tony Romo really isn't as great as we wish he was. If you need all that, then you're not really one of those transcendent players who can lift a team and get it to where you want it to go. Granted, there are few of those players anyway.

Similarly, if we need to be great across our roster, why do we even need Jason Garrett? He's supposed to give us an edge when we're not a Super Team.

I like his approach, but he's really a coach who is growing with the team. He has not arrived yet as he doesn't really give us an advantage over other squads, not like Belichick who can take scraps from the NFL free agency heap and make them super stars and Super Bowl-caliber players. Shrug.
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Great post, but it makes me sad with it's truth.
 
robbieruff said:
If we commit to fixing D then we will win SB. If we BS around and don't bring in the talent to do so...then no.

It's as simple as that.
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How would you (fix) the d? I keep reading this and the solutions people have are ridiculous/unrealistic. So yeah, I'm all ears
 
they have to figure out how to win a divisional playoff game first then a championship game you don't go from the regular season to the superbowl without winning playoff games in between if they get the coaching and defense fixed quickly they might at the rate they are going the offense will be old and rusty when they get the other things fixed
 
I feel that no matter how good this team is,it's only one penalty or blown call from winning a championship.
It's always something.
I fear this team is snake bitten.
 
It sucks Ware didnt get one here but it would be a far greater travesty if Witten doesn't get his. That was the bitter sweet with Romo sitting this year, I really wanted him to get one as a Cowboy.
 
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