M. Irvin in ROH

[THUMPER]

The question arises; what is the RoH intended for? Is it to honor those people who have contributed to the success of the Dallas Cowboys in a significant way? Is it to honor those who have represented the Cowboys in a way that was without reproach? Is it to give the fans and visitors a view of the names of those who have been household names for several years and heroes to many fans? Is it a reward for hard work, sacrifice, dedication, etc.? Is it all of those things? More?

Michael Irvin was never a guy I liked. I didn't like the way he celebrated after every 1st down, how he drew attention to himself whenever possible, how he cost his team by getting involved in drugs and hookers, how he seemed to only regret being caught and didn't appear, to me at least, to be truly contrite, how he was caught again even after he had supposedly cleaned up his act, and lastly how he has treated his wife throughout all of this. These are not the acts of a true "man" and certainly not a "man of God" as he has tried to portray himself to be.

So from a personal standpoint, I don't like Michael and never have. From a fan's perspective I greatly appreciated his hard work, sacrifice, dedication, and performance on the field. He was always in great shape, always played hard, always came through.

I have to ask myself; did he earn the right to be in the RoH by what he did on the field? The answer is of course, yes. Did he represent the Cowboys as I and most fans would like him to? The answer to that would be, no, he didn't.

The RoH, IMO, is about honoring those folks who have contributed the most to the team's success on the field and for that reason I would have to agree that Irvin belongs and will be excited to see him inducted along with Aikman and Emmitt.

My basis for coming to this conclusion is from looking at who is already in the RoH and who isn't.

Moose Johnston isn't being inducted along with the "Triplets" even though he was just as much a part of the success of those teams and has been without reproach off the field as well as given up his body on it in a much more self sacrificing way than any of them. This tells me that the RoH is mostly about production than character and there is nothing wrong with that. At least it recognizes true contribution rather than simply fame like the NFL HoF does.

There are a lot of very deserving players who are not in the RoH and may never be even though they were great players and never did anything to disgrace the Star. Irvin's performance on the field qualifies him for the RoH without a doubt.

Well, that's my take on it anyway.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Then they need to change the name to the "Ring of Great Football Players", and never mention the word honor.

 

[dargonking999]

The question arises; what is the RoH intended for? Is it to honor those people who have contributed to the success of the Dallas Cowboys in a significant way? Is it to honor those who have represented the Cowboys in a way that was without reproach? Is it to give the fans and visitors a view of the names of those who have been household names for several years and heroes to many fans? Is it a reward for hard work, sacrifice, dedication, etc.? Is it all of those things? More?

Michael Irvin was never a guy I liked. I didn't like the way he celebrated after every 1st down, how he drew attention to himself whenever possible, how he cost his team by getting involved in drugs and hookers, how he seemed to only regret being caught and didn't appear, to me at least, to be truly contrite, how he was caught again even after he had supposedly cleaned up his act, and lastly how he has treated his wife throughout all of this. These are not the acts of a true "man" and certainly not a "man of God" as he has tried to portray himself to be.

So from a personal standpoint, I don't like Michael and never have. From a fan's perspective I greatly appreciated his hard work, sacrifice, dedication, and performance on the field. He was always in great shape, always played hard, always came through.

I have to ask myself; did he earn the right to be in the RoH by what he did on the field? The answer is of course, yes. Did he represent the Cowboys as I and most fans would like him to? The answer to that would be, no, he didn't.

The RoH, IMO, is about honoring those folks who have contributed the most to the team's success on the field and for that reason I would have to agree that Irvin belongs and will be excited to see him inducted along with Aikman and Emmitt.

My basis for coming to this conclusion is from looking at who is already in the RoH and who isn't.

Moose Johnston isn't being inducted along with the "Triplets" even though he was just as much a part of the success of those teams and has been without reproach off the field as well as given up his body on it in a much more self sacrificing way than any of them. This tells me that the RoH is mostly about production than character and there is nothing wrong with that. At least it recognizes true contribution rather than simply fame like the NFL HoF does.

There are a lot of very deserving players who are not in the RoH and may never be even though they were great players and never did anything to disgrace the Star. Irvin's performance on the field qualifies him for the RoH without a doubt.

Well, that's my take on it anyway.

good post great points

 

[BlueStar22]

Then they need to change the name to the "Ring of Great Football Players", and never mention the word honor.

well, they are being "honored" by having their names up there?

 

[WV Cowboy]

The more I think about this, the more it angers me that Irvin is being put on the ROH.

Tom Landry, Don Perkins, Chuck Howley, Bob Lilly, Tony D, Tex, .. these men did not cheat on their wives, these men did not do cocaine, smoke dope, entertain with hookers.

Believe it or not, there are men who carry themselves above the actions of other men.

That is who should carry the banner of honor.

We have lowered the standards for the ROH.

 

[joseephuss]

The more I think about this, the more it angers me that Irvin is being put on the ROH.

Tom Landry, Don Perkins, Chuck Howley, Bob Lilly, Tony D, Tex, .. these men did not cheat on their wives, these men did not do cocaine, smoke dope, entertain with hookers.

Believe it or not, there are men who carry themselves above the actions of other men.

That is who should carry the banner of honor.

We have lowered the standards for the ROH.

Bob Hayes is in the ROH and he went to prison for drugs. Irvin got in trouble for drugs, but not that much trouble.

Don Meredith is in the ROH and was known as wild party guy. Heck, Dandy Don has pretty much turned his back on the Cowboy franchise.

Michael Irvins off field blemishes aren't even close to his accomplishments on the field. He achieved so much success on the field. It is not as if Irvin was in trouble every single season off the field. That became the problem with Hollywood Henderson. His off field behavior was truly out of control and it also effected his ability to contribute on the field. That is why his career was so short. Irvin did not have that problem.

Not every player is going to live up to the level of Bob Lilly or Roger Staubach. Those guys were not only the best on the field, they were the best off the field. They set the highest standards of being a Dallas Cowboy, but they are not the standard of getting into the Ring.

How many times did Dorsett hold out and whine about his pay check? Or complain once Walker joined the team. Doesn't matter because on the field he produced.


Jerry put best:
"These players are synonymous with the franchise of the Dallas Cowboys," Jones said. "This is what the Ring of Honor is all about. These three players were the cornerstone of the franchise, and when you think of the Cowboys winning Super Bowls in the 90's, you think of these three players."

 

[Echo9]

The more I think about this, the more it angers me that Irvin is being put on the ROH.

Tom Landry, Don Perkins, Chuck Howley, Bob Lilly, Tony D, Tex, .. these men did not cheat on their wives, these men did not do cocaine, smoke dope, entertain with hookers.

Believe it or not, there are men who carry themselves above the actions of other men.

That is who should carry the banner of honor.

We have lowered the standards for the ROH.

Just because the media didn't report the negatives with such glee in the 70's and 80's does not mean it didn't happen.

 

[dargonking999]

"These players are synonymous with the franchise of the Dallas Cowboys," Jones said. "This is what the Ring of Honor is all about. These three players were the cornerstone of the franchise, and when you think of the Cowboys winning Super Bowls in the 90's, you think of these three players."

and in the end, that is what the Ring of Honor is

 

[jay cee]

Then they need to change the name to the "Ring of Great Football Players", and never mention the word honor.

IMO, the ring is to "honor" the players. not to say that the player lived with honor.

 

[WV Cowboy]

IMO, the ring is to "honor" the players. not to say that the player lived with honor.

It is now.

 

[Echo9]

It is now.

Back in the 60's, 70's and 80's it was much easier to say that a player "lived with honor" than it is today.

The purpose of sportwriter back then was to immortallize players and make them seem larger than life.

Today, the purpose to dig out every possible mis-step.

It's a different world.

There a big difference between living with honor and never getting caught.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Back in the 60's, 70's and 80's it was much easier to say that a player "lived with honor" than it is today.

The purpose of sportwriter back then was to immortallize players and make them seem larger than life.

Today, the purpose to dig out every possible mis-step.

It's a different world.

There a big difference between living with honor and never getting caught.

Just like there is a difference between living with honor and getting caught living without it.

Trust me, there are pro athletes that still live with honor.

Emmitt, Troy, Darren, Herschel, Jay, Moose just to name a few real quick.

They belong in the ROH.

Men who always live with character and dignity.

I love M. Irvin for what he did on the field, but he should not be in the ROH.
Although we all love him, he is just another Miami punk, who FINALLY grew up.