Mad Dog - "You can't tell me he (Prescott) is a Top 10 QB". Booger McFarland disagrees

[starfan1]

You’re still not making any sense. Dak’s value with Romo’s value? Not sure where you’re going with this. Romo developed into an excellent QB despite being an UDFA. He put up numbers but had turnover issues. Dak is an excellent QB who exceeded his draft status. Neither Romo or Dak are the reasons the Cowboys haven’t been able to get over the hump.

Simple minds cannot comprehend this

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You’re still not making any sense. Dak’s value with Romo’s value? Not sure where you’re going with this. Romo developed into an excellent QB despite being an UDFA. He put up numbers but had turnover issues. Dak is an excellent QB who exceeded his draft status. Neither Romo or Dak are the reasons the Cowboys haven’t been able to get over the hump.

You say that W/L is a QB stat though.

You can't say that and then say that Dak and Romo aren't the reasons the Cowboys haven't gotten over the hump. By your own logic they are the sole reason that the Cowboys can't get over the hump.

 

[KJJ]

You say that W/L is a QB stat though.

You can't say that and then say that Dak and Romo aren't the reasons the Cowboys haven't gotten over the hump. By your own logic they are the sole reason that the Cowboys can't get over the hump.

The QB is the only position in football that’s given a W/L record because that position influences the outcome of games more than any other position. Pro football reference provides a list of QBs W/L records. It isn’t me that saying a W/L record is a QB stat, practically every football publication provides a QBs W/L record. Head coaches are also given a W/L record and are judged by them. Pitchers in baseball are given a W/L record but it doesn’t mean they’re doing it all by themselves. It takes an entire team to win a game but the play of your QB can make the difference between winning and losing. Most of the Super Bowl MVPs and league MVPs have been QBs. Romo and Dak aren’t the reasons the Cowboys haven’t gotten over the hump. Have they played a role? Of course but the biggest problems have been the coaching and the defense. A QB can only control so much. This is from Google.

“In the NFL, the starting quarterback is the only position that is credited with records of wins and losses. Tom Brady holds the record for the most regular season wins with 243. Otto Graham holds the record for the highest winning percentage with a minimum of 50 starts at . 814 (57–13–1).”

 

[Dre11]

How do you think you get to "#1 status"? By having LOW STANDARDS?

They won nothing for 25 years and still Number 1 franchise, they haven't met the standard for 25 years,

CALL IT EXEPTIONAL MARKETING BY
Jerald Wayne's Jones.

 

[Dre11]

How do you think you get to "#1 status"? By having LOW STANDARDS?

After so long it's no longer the Satsndard. It's been 25 years.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

The QB is the only position in football that’s given a W/L record because that position influences the outcome of games more than any other position. Pro football reference provides a list of QBs W/L records. It isn’t me that saying a W/L record is a QB stat, practically every football publication provides a QBs W/L record. Head coaches are also given a W/L record and are judged by them. Pitchers in baseball are given a W/L record but it doesn’t mean they’re doing it all by themselves. It takes an entire team to win a game but the play of your QB can make the difference between winning and losing. Most of the Super Bowl MVPs and league MVPs have been QBs. Romo and Dak aren’t the reasons the Cowboys haven’t gotten over the hump. Have they played a role? Of course but the biggest problems have been the coaching and the defense. A QB can only control so much. This is from Google.

“In the NFL, the starting quarterback is the only position that is credited with records of wins and losses. Tom Brady holds the record for the most regular season wins with 243. Otto Graham holds the record for the highest winning percentage with a minimum of 50 starts at . 814 (57–13–1).”

I chose to believe W/L is a solely team stat. We lost games with great QB play and we've won games with bad QB play.

If you want to believe W/L is a QB stat because PFR says so then okay, that's your choice...

But you can't come on here and claim Dak and Romo aren't the reasons the Cowboys can't get over the hump then. You are disqualified from believing that. Because you cannot believe that W/L is a QB stat and that the QB isn't the reason a team can't get over the hump. Those two things contradict each other.

Do you not see the flaw in that logic?

 

[Dre11]

I chose to believe W/L is a solely team stat. We lost games with great QB play and we've won games with bad QB play.

If you want to believe W/L is a QB stat because PFR says so then okay, that's your choice...

But you can't come on here and claim Dak and Romo aren't the reasons the Cowboys can't get over the hump then. You are disqualified from believing that. Because you cannot believe that W/L is a QB stat and that the QB isn't the reason a team can't get over the hump. Those two things contradict each other.

Do you not see the flaw in that logic?

I pretty much agree it's a team stat, which is why a lot of those so call elite qbs get too much credit while also others get too much blame. It's a complex debate

 

[KJJ]

I chose to believe W/L is a solely team stat. We lost games with great QB play and we've won games with bad QB play.

If you want to believe W/L is a QB stat because PFR says so then okay, that's your choice...

But you can't come on here and claim Dak and Romo aren't the reasons the Cowboys can't get over the hump then. You are disqualified from believing that. Because you cannot believe that W/L is a QB stat and that the QB isn't the reason a team can't get over the hump. Those two things contradict each other.

Do you not see the flaw in that logic?

You can believe what you want, you’re not the most educated fan and it’s obvious to everyone here. Every football outlet provides a QBs W/L record and pro football reference is one of the most respected. There is no flaw in giving QBs, pitchers and coaches a W/L record. They influence the outcome of games more than anyone else. They’re given most of the credit for wins and take most of the blame for losses. It isn’t real fair but it’s the nature of the position they hold.

 

[Dre11]

You can believe what you want, you’re not the most educated fan and it’s obvious to everyone here. Every football outlet provides a QBs W/L record and pro football reference is one of the most respected. There is no flaw in giving QBs, pitchers and coaches a W/L record. They influence the outcome of games more than anyone else.

True, but it's an unfair aspect for qbs.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You can believe what you want, you’re not the most educated fan and it’s obvious to everyone here. Every football outlet provides a QBs W/L record and pro football reference is one of the most respected. There is no flaw in giving QBs, pitchers and coaches a W/L record. They influence the outcome of games more than anyone else. They’re given most of the credit for wins and take most of the blame for losses. It isn’t real fair but it’s the nature of the position they hold.

The flaw is in your logic.

You are on record many times in saying that W/L is a QB stat.

You also are saying that Dak and Romo are not the reason the Cowboys can't get over the hum, but instead it's because of coaching and defense and what not.

If you don't see the flaws in your logic then okay, but everyone else does.

 

[KJJ]

True, but it's an unfair aspect for qbs.

It’s not fair but it’s the nature of the position they play. When things go wrong they’re the ones that get benched. They get most of the glory and most of the blame. They have the most control on winning and losing.

 

[KJJ]

The flaw is in your logic.

You are on record many times in saying that W/L is a QB stat.

You also are saying that Dak and Romo are not the reason the Cowboys can't get over the hum, but instead it's because of coaching and defense and what not.

If you don't see the flaws in your logic then okay, but everyone else does.

Everyone who covers football says that a W/L record is a QB stat. Quarterback W/L records are published everywhere, go do some reading.

 

[shabazz]

I wish we did have to face Burrow and Herbert 2 times a year.

Maybe then maybe we'd see that we have a weakness at QB and look to upgrade the position.

If that was the case there would be a lot of 8-9 seasons or worse. Unfortunately the FO would blame most of the other players and never admit a mistake….but you have a valid point there.

 

[KJJ]

The flaw is in your logic.

You are on record many times in saying that W/L is a QB stat.

It’s not just me I could provide these links all day. You must have just started following football if you didn’t know QBs had W/L records.

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/qb-records.html

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

It’s not just me I could provide these links all day. You must have just started following football if you didn’t know QBs had W/L records.

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/qb-records.html

You're huge Dak homer that believes that the QB is the sole reason for W/L

So, let me ask you, do you blame Dak for the loss in 2016 against Green Bay in the playoffs?

 

[Dre11]

It’s not fair but it’s the nature of the position they play. When things go wrong they’re the ones that get benched. They get most of the glory and most of the blame. They have the most control on winning and losing.

I don't think they have the most control, they're

It’s not fair but it’s the nature of the position they play. When things go wrong they’re the ones that get benched. They get most of the glory and most of the blame. They have the most control on winning and losing.

They don't have the most control. You could argue they're the most depended position on the field, and they control 1 unit on the field.

 

[KJJ]

You're huge Dak homer that believes that the QB is the sole reason for W/L

So, let me ask you, do you blame Dak for the loss in 2016 against Green Bay in the playoffs?

You’re wrong on both! I’m very honest and objective about Dak and he’s not the sole reason for wins and losses. I don’t blame Dak for the loss to Green Bay in the playoffs in 2016. He brought us back from a two score deficit against Aaron Rodgers and played outstanding in the third and fourth quarter with the game on the line. He tossed a TD to Dez with just over four minutes to play to tie the game. Our defense was unable to hold and gave up a FG and Dak once again drove us down the field to put us in position to tie the game with an FG with just 35 seconds left. Our defense proceeded to choke in the final seconds allowing Green Bay to kick the winning FG. Dak was outstanding with over 300 yards passing, three TDs and a passer rating of 103.0. Anyone who could blame him for that loss is clueless!

 

[Dre11]

The NFC East is the only division that Dak Prescott could ever be the best QB in.

He'd be the back up to any QB in the AFC West.

Bull he's better than Carr.

 

[KJJ]

I don't think they have the most control, they're


They don't have the most control. You could argue they're the most depended position on the field, and they control 1 unit on the field.

QBs clearly have the most control they touch the ball every snap on offense and throw most of the time. No player is going to make 40+ million dollars per season if they don’t have the most control and don’t influence the outcome of games more than any other player.

 

[Dre11]

"Set your standards low and you won't be disappointed" - A certain segment of the Cowboys fan base lives by that motto.

25 years of nothing, should change your standard at some point you have to rebuild the standard. 25 years ain't long enough for you, we're not those same Cowboys