Making or Keeping Cowboys Fans Happy

[2233boys]

Mine isn't Homer Spanky.

If you're going to call me a name, I'm going to retaliate. It's really just that simple.

Call them like I see them homer.

 

[Hostile]

Funny that you mention the what-if scenario with regards to 1998. That would be horrible, and that thought crossed my mind after I posted.

I just remember an announcer during SB 27 saying, "The Cowboys are back in the big game after 15 years." We're back to the 15 year mark, and it didn't happen. No guarantee that it would.

I agree. We do need to wake up. The playing field in the NFL is pretty level (no pun intended), and scheme, coaching, and luck (lack of injuries really) have more to with winning than ever before. Many fans dream of what 2007 could have been, but the Giants were simply the better team that day. I don't really think about "what could have been" anymore. I'm just trying to enjoy the game and my team for as long as I can. Just a SB appearance once every decade is all I can ask for...not even a victory.

Simply put, the most honest, best post I have seen on this forum in a very long time.

You touched on ever aspect of fan frustration without any hyperbole, dishonestly, or drama.

 

[Hostile]

Call them like I see them homer.

As do I Spanky.

Noticed you ran from the challenge I threw down. Not shocked.

 

[2233boys]

Mine isn't Homer Spanky.

If you're going to call me a name, I'm going to retaliate. It's really just that simple.

As do I Spanky.

Noticed you ran from the challenge I threw down. Not shocked.

Didn't run from anything I already said the proof was in your posts homer.

Get your little lapdogs to validate you don't expect it from me.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Names not Spanky homer.

Call them like I see them homer.

Didn't run from anything I already said the proof was in your posts homer.

Get your little lapdogs to validate you don't expect it from me.

LOL! Typical series of posts from a person who knows that their theory will be destroyed, and can't find the proof they want, so they back off acting as if they don't need to do it.

Hilarious.

I love when people like you get caught reaching and have no way out other than to try and back away saving face with comical crap like this.

 

[Bleu Star]

This is getting good. hboy:

 

[birdwells1]

LOL! Typical series of posts from a person who knows that their theory will be destroyed, and can't find the proof they want, so they back off acting as if they don't need to do it.

Hilarious.

I love when people like you get caught reaching and have no way out other than to try and back away saving face with comical crap like this.

Is that a barking sound I hear?:laugh2:

 

[ScipioCowboy]

CZ tends to be very apologetic towards the Cowboys organization and Jerry Jones. In fact, many posters are unabashed and unapologetic apologists. It can be very annoying, especially during tumultuous, disappointing seasons such as this past one.

Even a normally positive fan such as myself has rolled his eyes at some of the homer commentary around here. However, you'll never find me complaining about it. If you don't like the tenor of a board, go elsewhere. It truly is that simple. Either you enjoy posting and reading here, or you don't.

I've been as critical of Jerry Jones the GM as anyone else on this board, and I've been vociferous in my criticism. One playoff win in over a decade is not indicative of a well run organization. Very few people will argue this point because it doesn't rely on one's feelings or satisfaction level. It's simply a statement of fact. And if those who frequently criticize Jerry Jones would adhere to this point, they would be better off. Instead, they get lured down rabbit holes that, in reality, have no bearing on their arguments.

Here's an example of a rabbit hole: Jerry's level of responsibility in the 90s Super Bowl wins is irrelevant to his performance at GM over the past fourteen years. Past success is no guarantee of future success, and past accolades will not save one's job -- they certainly didn't save Tom Landry's job.

My advice is this: Identify your central argument, stick with it, and don't take comments so personally.

 

[Venger]

I think I have finally figured this out. All the Cowboys need to do to make and/or keep the fans happy is the following.

1. Win every game by covering the point spreads no matter how big.

2. Hire only the best coaches and have them committed to this team with no desire to become a Head Coach or Coordinator somewhere else and still not a be a puppet to the GM somehow.

3. Draft Pro Bowl caliber players in every round and somehow manage to keep all of them despite future drafts where we acquire more Pro Bowl caliber players, Free Agency, and a salary cap.

4. If we somehow miss on a Pro Bowl draft pick, trade him to someone else for their Pro Bowl player who will play here for less money because when we fart little rainbows fly out of our bum.

5. Win every Super Bowl.

I am quite fond of saying "learn the game." I think I finally have. This is fun.

The sarcasm is noted, but rather than the above, I think Cowboys fans would be satisifed with:

1. Win a majority of your games a majority of seasons
2. Hire *a* good coach (maybe we just did)
3. Draft SOME good players, with PB potential (unlike drafting for special teams - thanks Jerry, 2009 = Worst Draft Ever? Discuss...)
4. Make SOME good FA pickups, say, instead of consistently overpaying for WR's - how can Jerry sign Joey Galloway and then not learn that lesson by signing RW?
5. Win *a* Super Bowl during my children's lifetime. Instead of just *a* playoff game. If teams were simply drawn at random, the Cowboys should have gone to one in the last 15 years...

The attitude you decry is the result of 15 years of wandering in the desert... if Cowboy fans have lost perspective, it's from the heat.

 

[Hostile]

Didn't run from anything I already said the proof was in your posts homer.

Get your little lapdogs to validate you don't expect it from me.

In other words Spanky, you've got nothing. Also not shocked about this.

 

[Hostile]

The sarcasm is noted, but rather than the above, I think Cowboys fans would be satisifed with:

1. Win a majority of your games a majority of seasons

Oh boy, let's test this theory.

I already know the rules, I cannot count the pre-Super Bowl years or the Super Bowl years. And though I find this to be an artificial starting point I always abide by it.

1996 to 2010 = 15 seasons. To achieve a majority of wins in a majority of seasons we need 9 wins or more in 8 seasons.

1996...10-6
1998...10-6
2003...10-6
2005...9-7
2006...9-7
2007...13-3
2008...9-7
2009...11-5

Check.

2. Hire *a* good coach (maybe we just did)

Bill Parcells will be in the Hall of Fame one day. I would call that hiring a good coach. I may not be happy with Parcells results, but he was undoubtedly a good coach.

I share your hope about Garrett also being a good coach. it is an encouraging start.

Check.

3. Draft SOME good players, with PB potential (unlike drafting for special teams - thanks Jerry, 2009 = Worst Draft Ever? Discuss...)

I would go back as far as 1996, but I consider this to be wrong since no one we have on the team has been drafted earlier than 2002. So let's use that as a starting point.

# Pro Bowls by our Drafted players while playing for the Cowboys

2002...Roy Williams, 5
2002...Andre Gurode, 5
2003...Terence Newman, 2
2003...Jason Witten, 7
2005...DeMarcus Ware, 5
2005...Marion Barber, 1
2005...Jay Ratliff, 3
2007...Nick Folk, 1
2008...Mike Jenkins, 1

I think Free, Bryant, and Lee have future potential to join this list.

Check.

4. Make SOME good FA pickups, say, instead of consistently overpaying for WR's - how can Jerry sign Joey Galloway and then not learn that lesson by signing RW?

Deion Sanders...4 Pro Bowls from 1996 forward
Ray Donaldson...1996 Pro Bowl
Richie Cunningham...1 Pro Bowl
La'Roi Glover...4 Pro Bowls
Tony Romo...3 Pro Bowls
Matt McBriar...2 Pro Bowls
Miles Austin...1 Pro Bowl
Leonard Davis...3 Pro Bowls
Ken Hamlin...1 Pro Bowl
Terrell Owens...1 Pro Bowl

Check.

5. Win *a* Super Bowl during my children's lifetime. Instead of just *a* playoff game. If teams were simply drawn at random, the Cowboys should have gone to one in the last 15 years...

I find it a little perplexing to believe you will be happy with 1 in 15 years. I couldn't be. If you can, you're a better man than I am.

The attitude you decry is the result of 15 years of wandering in the desert... if Cowboy fans have lost perspective, it's from the heat.

Hey, I have no issue at all with griping about this team from 1997 to 2002. In 2002 we made a turn by going after guys like La'Roi Glover and then hiring Parcells. From that time forward the effort to win has been there. I do not understand how this can even be denied. Even this debacle of a season showed effort in the final 8 games.

I don't see why it is so wrong to identify with the roster we have right now and see a difference from 2000 and 2001. Once we reached Barry Switzer's last year the only thing we had was a chance to enjoy the final years of Irvin, Aikman, Smith, Woodson, Novacek, et al. We only had Emmitt eclipsing the rushing record in 2002 as something to celebrate. But 2002 saw a change in attitude for this team. I cannot and will not deny this no matter how much it pisses off other people.

You see, I don't buy that a lot of this so called misery existed in 199 6 when we were a defending Super Bowl Champion. I don't believe it existed in 1998 until the Cardinals pulled off a miracle in the playoffs. I don't believe it existed after Tony Romo took over for Drew Bledsoe in 2006 until a bobbled ball. I don't believe it existed at all in 2007 until we lost a shocker to a team of destiny. I don't believe it existed in 2009 until the Vikings spanked us after we swept the Eagles in all 3 games.

If it did, then that is just stupid. That is punishing one's self for no reason at all. I get frustration in hindsight. We all should have that. But you are indicating frustration in foresight, sight, and hindsight. That's flat out masochism. Hey, if that is someone's flavor, that's their business. I find it utterly pointless, but to each his own.

Football is a danged exciting game. To feel that way to where you can't enjoy the game doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Venger]

1996 to 2010 = 15 seasons. To achieve a majority of wins in a majority of seasons we need 9 wins or more in 8 seasons.

1996...10-6
1998...10-6
2003...10-6
(snip)

Ugh, are you going to go for minimal bar clearing on every point? There isn't a need to make a pedantic argument. I even took out "vast" majority as I didn't want to be greedy, but if it's not clear that a majority of games a majority of seasons *doesn't* mean 8 9-7 seasons and 7 0-16 seasons, why waste time talking about it?

You did this with every point - can we suffice it to say you took literally what I meant either rhetorically (a good coach) or as a sarcastic baseline (# of Super Bowls)

Hey, I have no issue at all with griping about this team from 1997 to 2002. In 2002 we made a turn by going after guys like La'Roi Glover and then hiring Parcells. From that time forward the effort to win has been there.

The efforts made under Parcells were greatly undone by hiring a known toadstool of a coach and by horrific GM moves - 09 draft, TO and PacMan signings, etc. I would say alot of fan frustration has been because we DO indeed have a number of quality pieces - that aren't going to last forever. We aren't the Cardinals, we shouldn't be playing and acting like them year after year (and how embarassing that they too have had far more success than we have of late).

We all should have that. But you are indicating frustration in foresight, sight, and hindsight. That's flat out masochism. Hey, if that is someone's flavor, that's their business. I find it utterly pointless, but to each his own.

Football is a danged exciting game. To feel that way to where you can't enjoy the game doesn't make any sense to me.

Your post is titled "Keeping Cowboys Fans Happy" and you can't grasp why they wouldn't be? If you just want to clear the bar by the most minimal definition, well this is the kind of team you get - no success, some wins and fun but overall, just another also ran while other teams do the hard work to get a chance at a championship. THAT used to be where the bar was around here. Not "is it a danged exciting game". Because watching other teams play in January isn't nearly as danged exciting as watching my team...

 

[ChopBlock]

We could have actually hired quality HC's and let them do what most HC's get to do and hire their own staff. Maybe even had a decent GM.

But nah, much better trying to see Jerry try to be the center of attention and hire weak HC's, tie their hands and then saddle them with over-rated players and reaches due to him being his own GM.

Job well done Jones, you sure showed the rest of the league you could do it your way.

 

[Hostile]

Ugh, are you going to go for minimal bar clearing on every point?

You gave a minimal bar then you decry evidence that your minimal bar won't make you happy? I'm not happy, you said you would be with all but the last of those points having been accomplished. That was your set of circumstances, not mine.

Mine was the tongue in cheek sarcastic brand of the OP.

 

[birdwells1]

Definitions:

Realist- one who has never been called a homer.

Homer- one who has never been called a realist.

Perception is reality.

 

[DallasEast]

Definitions:

Realist- one who has never been called a homer.

Homer- one who has never been called a realist.

Perception is reality.

How does these definitions apply to anyone who has ever self-proclaimed themselves as both a homer and a realist?

 

[birdwells1]

How does these definitions apply to anyone who has ever self-proclaimed themselves as both a homer and a realist?

If no one on this board has ever called you a homer then you are probably a realist. It's not about what you think you are, because most time we are not honest with ourselves, it's about what others percieve you to be.

 

[DallasEast]

If no one on this board has ever called you a homer then you are probably a realist. It's not about what you think you are, because most time we are not honest with ourselves, it's about what others percieve you to be.

That's convenient.

 

[Hostile]

If no one on this board has ever called you a homer then you are probably a realist. It's not about what you think you are, because most time we are not honest with ourselves, it's about what others percieve you to be.

So if I call you a homer it means you are not a realist?

I don't believe anyone is a realist who cannot look at the entire NFL. Perception is reality.

 

[DallasEast]

So if I call you a homer it means you are not a realist?

I don't believe anyone is a realist who cannot look at the entire NFL. Perception is reality.

I was sorely tempted, but kept it to myself.