Making or Keeping Cowboys Fans Happy

[superpunk]

Hostile, if someone else made this thread, you would have closed/locked it pages ago for trolling.

seriously what is the point of this thread?

True, true.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Is that a barking sound I hear?:laugh2:

LOL.

Hilarious.

I'm sure you worked very hard to seem really cool there. It was a fun try.

If no one on this board has ever called you a homer then you are probably a realist. It's not about what you think you are, because most time we are not honest with ourselves, it's about what others percieve you to be.

Well then you're clearly not a realistic. Cause I am calling you a homer for some of the things I've seen you post.

Homer.

 

[Venger]

A question for the self-anointed realists:

Can an individual be both a realist and an optimist (which is a term that "homers" are often saddled with)?

Optimist != homer.

Optimism without cause is fanaticism. Optimism with cause is realism. So is skepticism. Realism should in this case include the definition of not letting ones past affinity for a team's success interfere with an objective analysis about said team. It means, not letting the fact I love the Cowboys prevent me from noticing that they have an intractable set of problems that will prevent them from winning, which I want them to do. Or keeping the fact I love player X because he's played for my team interfere with evaluating his true worth in relation to players I may actively dislike solely because they stand between my team and it's success.

Realism isn't inherently optimistic or pessimistic. It can be either, when it is called for.

 

[Hostile]

Optimist != homer.

Optimism without cause is fanaticism. Optimism with cause is realism. So is skepticism. Realism should in this case include the definition of not letting ones past affinity for a team's success interfere with an objective analysis about said team. It means, not letting the fact I love the Cowboys prevent me from noticing that they have an intractable set of problems that will prevent them from winning, which I want them to do. Or keeping the fact I love player X because he's played for my team interfere with evaluating his true worth in relation to players I may actively dislike solely because they stand between my team and it's success.

Realism isn't inherently optimistic or pessimistic. It can be either, when it is called for.

Okay, based on this definition let me ask.

John Doe thinks Peyton Manning is the best QB of all time. That Larry Allen is the best OG of all time. That Jerry Rice is the best WR of all time. That Tony Gonzalez is the best TE of all time. That Reggie White is the best DE of all time. That Deion Sanders is the only true shut down CB there has ever been.

Is John a homer?

 

[birdwells1]

Okay, based on this definition let me ask.

John Doe thinks Peyton Manning is the best QB of all time. That Larry Allen is the best OG of all time. That Jerry Rice is the best WR of all time. That Tony Gonzalez is the best TE of all time. That Reggie White is the best DE of all time. That Deion Sanders is the only true shut down CB there has ever been.

Is John a homer?

Now if Joe Cowboysfan truly believes that Aikman is the best QB of all time then that's a homer.

 

[Hostile]

Now if Joe Cowboysfan truly believes that Aikman is the best QB of all time then that's a homer.

Don't faint. I agree with you. I do think he was a great QB though and I don't think that is being a homer. I know a bears fan, a Packers fan, a 49ers fan, and a Cardinals fan who all agree with me on that.

 

[cowboyeric8]

Now if Joe Cowboysfan truly believes that Aikman is the best QB of all time then that's a homer.

Then call me a homer! Haha. Actually I don't believe that, but he was still a great QB and doesn't get as much credit as he deserves.

 

[Apollo Creed]

It also has to do with generation or the era you gained football sentience and established your 'fanhood'.

For example I'm 23 and can slightly remember Super Bowl XXX, then started to get border-line fanatical circa the twilight of Aikman's career.

I don't have any super bowls or fond playoff memories to recall.

Hence the reason I'm a tad more cynical. Watching highlights and hearing stories from dad only goes so far, especially considering I obsess enough about the team to blog about it in my spare time. It would be nice to know whats it like to feel that feeling many of you older guys have felt five times now. Hell a deep playoff run would be nice.

Watching these other teams every year, and each season ending in such border-line misery each year can breed a certain sense of negativity.

It's all relative.

 

[5Stars]

It also has to do with generation or the era you gained football sentience and established your 'fanhood'.

For example I'm 23 and can slightly remember Super Bowl XXX, then started to get border-line fanatical circa the twilight of Aikman's career.

I don't have any super bowls or fond playoff memories to recall.

Hence the reason I'm a tad more cynical. Watching highlights and hearing stories from dad only goes so far, especially considering I obsess enough about the team to blog about it in my spare time. It would be nice to know whats it like to feel that feeling many of you older guys have felt five times now. Hell a deep playoff run would be nice.

Watching these other teams every year, and each season ending in such border-line misery each year can breed a certain sense of negativity.

It's all relative.

:starspin :starspin

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

It also has to do with generation or the era you gained football sentience and established your 'fanhood'.

For example I'm 23 and can slightly remember Super Bowl XXX, then started to get border-line fanatical circa the twilight of Aikman's career.

I don't have any super bowls or fond playoff memories to recall.

Hence the reason I'm a tad more cynical. Watching highlights and hearing stories from dad only goes so far, especially considering I obsess enough about the team to blog about it in my spare time. It would be nice to know whats it like to feel that feeling many of you older guys have felt five times now. Hell a deep playoff run would be nice.

Watching these other teams every year, and each season ending in such border-line misery each year can breed a certain sense of negativity.

It's all relative.

Seen those those Superbowls and it seems like it was only yesterday when Dallas was the 1st Team in NFL History with Five Lombardis' ..... only yesterday was several life times ago.

 

[Hostile]

Seen those those Superbowls and it seems like it was only yesterday when Dallas was the 1st Team in NFL History with Five Lombardis' ..... only yesterday was several life times ago.

San Francisco was the first with 5, we were 2nd, Pittsburgh 3rd.

Packers first to 1 and 2.

Steelers first to 3, 4, and 6.

49ers first to 5.

 

[DallasEast]

Optimist != homer.

Optimism without cause is fanaticism. Optimism with cause is realism. So is skepticism. Realism should in this case include the definition of not letting ones past affinity for a team's success interfere with an objective analysis about said team. It means, not letting the fact I love the Cowboys prevent me from noticing that they have an intractable set of problems that will prevent them from winning, which I want them to do. Or keeping the fact I love player X because he's played for my team interfere with evaluating his true worth in relation to players I may actively dislike solely because they stand between my team and it's success.

Realism isn't inherently optimistic or pessimistic. It can be either, when it is called for.

So, basically, if someone were to objectively state, with both cause and relevant fact, that a "realist" should never expect a favorable outcome when attempting to organize "boycotts" or "billboard campaigns" to oust and/or manipulate Jerry Jones as general manager? That, by careful evaluation, there is virtually zero probability that scattered, disorganized, isolated and greatly underfunded proactive entities could ever remotely command the conscious, everyday business decisions belonging to the owner of a billion dollar corporation?

 

[DallasEast]

Seen those those Superbowls and it seems like it was only yesterday when Dallas was the 1st Team in NFL History with Five Lombardis' ..... only yesterday was several life times ago.

Slap me. Anybody. Please.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

So, basically, if someone were to objectively state, with both cause and relevant fact, that a "realist" should never expect a favorable outcome when attempting to organize "boycotts" or "billboard campaigns" to oust and/or manipulate Jerry Jones as general manager? That, by careful evaluation, there is virtually zero probability that scattered, disorganized, isolated and greatly underfunded proactive entities could ever remotely command the conscious, everyday business decisions belonging to the owner of a billion dollar corporation?

Correct...and said "Billionaire" would never fire a Head Coach in the middle of a Season.

 

[DallasEast]

Correct...and said "Billionaire" would never fire a Head Coach in the middle of a Season.

Tie those two together please.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Tie those two together please.

Obviously in his old age Jerry Jones has become a media sensitive Owner. Changing his view inside a week was simpleton.

 

[DallasEast]

Obviously in his old age Jerry Jones has become a media sensitive Owner. Changing his view inside a week was simpleton.

The phrase "tie together" does not mean the same for you as it does for me.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

The phrase "tie together" does not mean the same for you as it does for me.

It happens.

 

[DallasEast]

It happens.

You ain't lying.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

It also has to do with generation or the era you gained football sentience and established your 'fanhood'.

For example I'm 23 and can slightly remember Super Bowl XXX, then started to get border-line fanatical circa the twilight of Aikman's career.

I don't have any super bowls or fond playoff memories to recall.

Hence the reason I'm a tad more cynical. Watching highlights and hearing stories from dad only goes so far, especially considering I obsess enough about the team to blog about it in my spare time. It would be nice to know whats it like to feel that feeling many of you older guys have felt five times now. Hell a deep playoff run would be nice.

Watching these other teams every year, and each season ending in such border-line misery each year can breed a certain sense of negativity.

It's all relative.

You're one smart twenty three year old .