Man who fathered 30 kids says he needs a break—on child support

[Stash]

No question, but the solution is not forcing people to have vasectomy's. It's not Constitutional.

You show me where it says in the Constitution where I have to support deadbeats and maybe I'll see the point.

When an animal can't control its' own population, it's done for them.

Unfortunately, this is no different.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree, definitely dangerous, and probably won't happen - I just don't really have a problem with it in general. I would possibly have a huge problem with its application and enforcement, who knows?

Also, on this particular example, I don't see how anyone could make this kid have the procedure because he is "likely unable to pay". That would be totally nuts.

Of course, it is completely unreasonable to take that kind of action in a case of 17 year olds. The problem is that if you do something like that with a guy who has 30 kids and don't do it with a 17 year old kid, then a Lawyer is going to use this against the legal system and either the guy gets off with the 30 kids or the 17 year old kid is forced to endure the same kind of procedure and we both know that would probably be wrong. I mean, it's one of those things that becomes a bit more complicated once you start thinking about the possible outcomes. It's a hard thing. I am not in favor of Parents, men and women, doing this and lets be honest, it's both who are responsible. However, the cure could be worse then the disease if we are not careful.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You show me where it says in the Constitution where I have to support deadbeats and maybe I'll see the point.

When an animal can't control its' own population, it's done for them.

Unfortunately, this is no different.

Absolutely. The very minute you show me where it is said that states have a right to force you to have a procedure against your will that prevents you from having children.

 

[TheDallasDon]

Absolutely. The very minute you show me where it is said that states have a right to force you to have a procedure against your will that prevents you from having children.

That sound like martial law territory......should stay clear from this.

Look if you want this kind of stuff to end.....education system needs improving immensely!!

 

[Stash]

Absolutely. The very minute you show me where it is said that states have a right to force you to have a procedure against your will that prevents you from having children.

If you can show me where the procedure existed in the 1700's.

We can learn a lesson from nature and it's history of success for thousands of years. When you don't pull your weight, you are eliminated.

This 'person' acts like an animal and should be treated as one.

If it requires a Consitutional amendment, just let me know where to sign.

 

[wittenacious]

If you can show me where the procedure existed in the 1700's.

We can learn a lesson from nature and it's history of success for thousands of years. When you don't pull your weight, you are eliminated.

This 'person' acts like an animal and should be treated as one.

If it requires a Consitutional amendment, just let me know where to sign.

Human rights arguments aside, I get what you're sayin'.

Still need to pass a hands-on, educational course and test to get a driver's license in our society, but knock up women right and left without being able to support the kids that come from your immature decisions and it becomes our/society's problem???

Gotta be some reasonable, common sense compromise between involuntary castration and "Do whatever the hell you feel like doing — damn the consequences." If there isn't a solution on the horizon, there sure oughtta be.

 

[TheDallasDon]

Human rights arguments aside, I get what you're sayin'.

Still need to pass a course and test to get a driver's license in our society, but knock up women right and left without being able to support the kids that come from your immature decisions and it becomes "our"/society's problem???

Gotta be some reasonable, common sense compromise between involuntary castration and "Do whatever the hell you feel like doing — damn the consequences." If there isn't an improved solution, there oughtta be.

Like I just said, it starts with better education.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If you can show me where the procedure existed in the 1700's.

We can learn a lesson from nature and it's history of success for thousands of years. When you don't pull your weight, you are eliminated.

This 'person' acts like an animal and should be treated as one.

If it requires a Consitutional amendment, just let me know where to sign.

This is not specific to a procedure. It is specific to each citizens rights under the Constitution. Unfortunately, we are a Nation of Laws and not the Law of Nature. In the real world application of Law, the Law of Nature does not apply. Many, many examples can be presented to support that statement but Stash, you know that.

It would require a Constitutional Amendment and it is up to you to figure out where and how to sign. It is not up to me fortunately. I don't believe that this kind of Law would ever be passed. At least, I hope to never see that day come in my lifetime. Implications would be disastrous.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Human rights arguments aside, I get what you're sayin'.

Still need to pass a hands-on, educational course and test to get a driver's license in our society, but knock up women right and left without being able to support the kids that come from your immature decisions and it becomes our/society's problem???

Gotta be some reasonable, common sense compromise between involuntary castration and "Do whatever the hell you feel like doing — damn the consequences." If there isn't a solution on the horizon, there sure oughtta be.

I think the best possible course would be to stop allowing this practice of making babies to become a source of income. I know that the original idea behind this was to support children and mothers in need but it has become a career vocation of sorts. Obviously, 11 different women having, on average, 2.72 kids from the same father is not because he can "Pull". I suspect that these women are in it for a financial purpose. What women would allow this man to have children with them in that situation unless there were other reasons? Just punishing the male is not going to work. I think we need to look at both sides of the issue and figure out what is driving these actions. JMO.

 

[Stash]

Human rights arguments aside, I get what you're sayin'.

Still need to pass a hands-on, educational course and test to get a driver's license in our society, but knock up women right and left without being able to support the kids that come from your immature decisions and it becomes our/society's problem???

Gotta be some reasonable, common sense compromise between involuntary castration and "Do whatever the hell you feel like doing — damn the consequences." If there isn't a solution on the horizon, there sure oughtta be.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

And this isn't a run-of-the mill case either - not by a longshot.

And to try to paint it as such is ignorant.

Extreme cases call for extreme measures.

I think few would disagree that the current system of 'paying for parasites' does not work and needs to be corrected.

Along the way, tough decisions will have to be made and feelings will get hurt.

 

[Stash]

I think the best possible course would be to stop allowing this practice of making babies to become a source of income. I know that the original idea behind this was to support children and mothers in need but it has become a career vocation of sorts. Obviously, 11 different women having, on average, 2.72 kids from the same father is not because he can "Pull". I suspect that these women are in it for a financial purpose. What women would allow this man to have children with them in that situation unless there were other reasons? Just punishing the male is not going to work. I think we need to look at both sides of the issue and figure out what is driving these actions. JMO.

Most definitely, and I can personally cite specific of examples of people looking for Social Security benefits for children not even born yet!

And other examples of people being indignant and offended when they are dared to be asked about their job status as well.

It's an epidemic and a disease that this country needs to cure.

 

[TheDallasDon]

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

And this isn't a run-of-the mill case either - not by a longshot.

And to try to paint it as such is ignorant.

Extreme cases call for extreme measures.

I think few would disagree that the current system of 'paying for parasites' does not work and needs to be corrected.

Along the way, tough decisions will have to be made and feelings will get hurt.

If you give the ability for "extreme cases" then your opening the door to it happening all the time, to family who dont deserve it.

Pandora's box if you will.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

And this isn't a run-of-the mill case either - not by a longshot.

And to try to paint it as such is ignorant.

Extreme cases call for extreme measures.

I think few would disagree that the current system of 'paying for parasites' does not work and needs to be corrected.

Along the way, tough decisions will have to be made and feelings will get hurt.

Cool. Now all you have to do is get the Bill passed.

 

[Stash]

If you give the ability for "extreme cases" then your opening the door to it happening all the time, to family who dont deserve it.

Pandora's box if you will.

It needs to be opened. This way is obviously not working.

And a bigger picture becomes population control on a global scale and this planet's ability to sustain our ever-increasing population.

 

[Stash]

Cool. Now all you have to do is get the Bill passed.

Just let me know where to sign.

 

[TheDallasDon]

It needs to be opened. This way is obviously not working.

And a bigger picture becomes population control on a global scale and this planet's ability to sustain our ever-increasing population.

It starts with this...but will end up turning into them taking more and more of rights away.

Better education would fix the problem and would make the states improve in many facets

 

[vta]

The evident problem with this is everyone getting up in arms and demanding new laws. If a new law needs to be instituted for every jack-*** who does something stupid, we won't be able to leave our houses.

This jack-*** is not an epidemic, he's one jack-*** in an extreme form. If anything needs to be recognized it's that welfare programs aren't an answer to anything, they're a safety net for jack-*****. Jack-***** that know if they have kids they can qualify for welfare. So is the solution to drop laws on every person and burden them with more nonsense and scream for more legal oversight or is it better to take away what feeds this type of mindset?

Laws are on the books for dead-beat dads, and we don't have to cry over the system, but the lack of morality that abuses the system. Use the justice system to clamp down on 'dad' and don't worry about how much of a break he needs. He'll make a fine example for the rest of the jack-***** who don't think before they force a new life into a garbage situation.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Just let me know where to sign.

I hear what your saying but there is no Bill that I am aware of asking for a Constitutional Amendment to force this kind of thing. I can only suggest you speak with your Congressman. This is how it is typically done. Good luck.

 

[Stash]

It starts with this...but will end up turning into them taking more and more of rights away.

Better education would fix the problem and would make the states improve in many facets

I disagree.

This guy knows how the process works.

And if he didn't, the first child made it clear.

There are causes and effects in this world and we have taken away too many of the consequences that come with poor actions.

That's what this case is.

By nature, many people want the rewards without the work.

Or in this clown's case, the fun without any responsibility.

And this situation does not begin and end with this guy, he is simply the most deplorable example of a terrible truth happening in this country every day.

Tough choices need to be made and not everybody is going to like them.

Especially the parasites content to live off of the hard work of others.

Thankfully though, they are still in the minority when it comes to voting on it.

 

[TheDallasDon]

The evident problem with this is everyone getting up in arms and demanding new laws. If a new law needs to be instituted for every jack-*** who does something stupid, we won't be able to leave our houses.

This jack-*** is not an epidemic, he's one jack-*** in an extreme form. If anything needs to be recognized it's that welfare programs aren't an answer to anything, they're a safety net for jack-*****. Jack-***** that know if they have kids they can qualify for welfare. So is the solution to drop laws on every person and burden them with more nonsense and scream for more legal oversight or is it better to take away what feeds this type of mindset?

Laws are on the books for dead-beat dads, and we don't have to cry over the system, but the lack of morality that abuses the system. Use the justice system to clamp down on 'dad' and don't worry about how much of a break he needs. He'll make a fine example for the rest of the jack-***** who don't think before they force a new life into a garbage situation.

This is my point.....its a complicated issue but something needs to be done.
What IDK.