Margus Hunt

[Rack]

First of all, no I'm not saying we should draft him. I really don't think he plays as well as his combine numbers have been. Plus I think he'd fit nicely as a 3-4 DE, but nowhere as a 4-3 anything.

That said, I gotta say 38 reps with this arm length is pretty impressive. Plus he was one of the fastest DL at 4.6. Size, speed, and strength.

I hope he has a good career wherever he goes (As long as it's not in the NFC East).


Anyone think he's squeezed himself into the first round?

 

[BAT]

First of all, no I'm not saying we should draft him. I really don't think he plays as well as his combine numbers have been. Plus I think he'd fit nicely as a 3-4 DE, but nowhere as a 4-3 anything.

That said, I gotta say 38 reps with this arm length is pretty impressive. Plus he was one of the fastest DL at 4.6. Size, speed, and strength.

I hope he has a good career wherever he goes (As long as it's not in the NFC East).


Anyone think he's squeezed himself into the first round?

I hope not b/c I would like the option of drafting him with our 2nd rounder. But Hunt is bigger, stronger, faster and more productive than Ziggy Ansah. And Ansah is a concensus top 20 pick.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

He could be a 4-3 DE. Have heard he is raw and really only has one move but he has room to learn.

Plus he has the nickname the eastern block due to him having blocked multiple FGs.

NOT a first rounder but maybe a second or even third and I would not complain depending on who we took before him.

 

[tm1119]

Well he definitely won the combine, thats for sure. What he did at his size is unfathomable.

Hes not going to be a edge rusher though, just too tall to make that bend around the edge. I think he can definitely be very effective against the run though. He's going to be a handful for any one blocker, will command a lot of double teams that will make him good for a 3-4 end. Could be a Justin Smith type player in a few years.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Did not realize that this kid is already 26

 

[AsthmaField]

I'm just not a big fan of Hunt.

He sure tested good, but he simply isn't that good of a football player. He's just not.

Even if you say, "I'd take him in the 2nd but not a first", you're still getting a guy who is big and runs fast but can't play football very well.

I wouldn't trade a Cyprien, Swearinger, Elam, Arthur Brown, or Warford for him because those guys can play and can help a team. They are good football players, one and all and most of them will be available in the second round. Hunt on the other hand isn't a good football player and IMO, the odds of him putting it all together and figuring it out are way too long to use a 2nd on.

I say let some team gamble on him playing like Tarzan instead of Jane.

 

[Rack]

I'm just not a big fan of Hunt.

He sure tested good, but he simply isn't that good of a football player. He's just not.

Even if you say, "I'd take him in the 2nd but not a first", you're still getting a guy who is big and runs fast but can't play football very well.

I wouldn't trade a Cyprien, Swearinger, Elam, Arthur Brown, or Warford for him because those guys can play and can help a team. They are good football players, one and all and most of them will be available in the second round. Hunt on the other hand isn't a good football player and IMO, the odds of him putting it all together and figuring it out are way too long to use a 2nd on.

I say let some team gamble on him playing like Tarzan instead of Jane.

Agreed. I was just impressed with his numbers for his size, but the dude just can't play football very good.

2nd rounder? No freakin' way.

 

[AsthmaField]

Agreed. I was just impressed with his numbers for his size, but the dude just can't play football very good.

2nd rounder? No freakin' way.

His numbers are pretty amazing, that's for sure.

 

[BAT]

I'm just not a big fan of Hunt.

He sure tested good, but he simply isn't that good of a football player. He's just not.

Even if you say, "I'd take him in the 2nd but not a first", you're still getting a guy who is big and runs fast but can't play football very well.

I wouldn't trade a Cyprien, Swearinger, Elam, Arthur Brown, or Warford for him because those guys can play and can help a team. They are good football players, one and all and most of them will be available in the second round. Hunt on the other hand isn't a good football player and IMO, the odds of him putting it all together and figuring it out are way too long to use a 2nd on.

I say let some team gamble on him playing like Tarzan instead of Jane.

Would you pass on Ziggy Ansah too? Ziggy Ansah and Menelick Watson are not football players either, by your definition.

Neither was JPP, Jimmy Graham, Danny Watkins, Antonio Gates, Demetrius Bell, Sebastien Vollmer, Bullet Bob Hayes, Leo Nominelli, Cornell Green, Aldon Smith, Christian Okoye, Ray Seals, Rafael Septien, Jan Stenerud, Darren Bennett, not to mention a ton of foreign born kickers and punters. Some of these guys are HOFers or future HOFers. I am sure I am forgetting a ton more.

Our own Tyrone Crawford also has very limited experience playing football as he was raised in Canada (like Watkins). Terrell Davis was a scrub in HS and college.

 

[AsthmaField]

Would you pass on Ziggy Ansah too? Ziggy Ansah and Menelick Watson are not football players either, by your definition.

Neither was JPP, Jimmy Graham, Danny Watkins, Antonio Gates, Demetrius Bell, Sebastien Vollmer, Bullet Bob Hayes, Leo Nominelli, Cornell Green, Aldon Smith, Christian Okoye, Ray Seals, Rafael Septien, Jan Stenerud, Darren Bennett, not to mention a ton of foreign born kickers and punters. Some of these guys are HOFers or future HOFers. I am sure I am forgetting a ton more.

Our own Tyrone Crawford also has very limited experience playing football as he was raised in Canada (like Watkins). Terrell Davis was a scrub in HS and college.

What definition did I give? I said his combine #'s didn't impress me and that I didn't think he was a very good football player. That's it.

Somehow you take that to mean that I didn't think he had enough football experience? Or did you think I meant he is a foreign national and so I didn't think he could play?

Either way you're wrong. All I said was that I didn't think he was a good player and that his combine numbers are fool's gold.

So I'm not sure what your rant was alluding to.

Anyway, your list of players don't even make sense. Crawford had a year at a junior college and two years at Boise State... that is after playing football in high school. E Ansah has only played last year at BYU. That is apples to oranges right there and their situations shouldn't even be compared, yet you group them together as if they came into the NFL in the same manner. Not even close.

Honestly, the more I think about it, the less sure I am of what the heck you're talking about.

Anyway, I'm not a scout but it is my opinion that Hunt isn't a very good player. Crawford, Danny Watkins, JPP, Aldon Smith, etc. all played way, way better in college than Hunt has. All of those guys had much better college careers than Hunt. All of them I thought were good players and wouldn't have minded them being Cowboys. I actually talked a good bit about how much I liked Aldon Smith in that draft.

JMO. Time will tell if I'm right or wrong on Hunt.

 

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by AsthmaField http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5009336#post5009336
I'm just not a big fan of Hunt.

Would you pass on Ziggy Ansah too? Ziggy Ansah and Menelick Watson are not football players either, by your definition.

Good question about those three.

For me, I can't really explain it, but I just have a much better feeling about Ansah and definitely about Watson when watching their game footage than I do about Hunt.

 

[TheCount]

I'm just not a big fan of Hunt.

He sure tested good, but he simply isn't that good of a football player. He's just not.

Even if you say, "I'd take him in the 2nd but not a first", you're still getting a guy who is big and runs fast but can't play football very well.

I wouldn't trade a Cyprien, Swearinger, Elam, Arthur Brown, or Warford for him because those guys can play and can help a team. They are good football players, one and all and most of them will be available in the second round. Hunt on the other hand isn't a good football player and IMO, the odds of him putting it all together and figuring it out are way too long to use a 2nd on.

I say let some team gamble on him playing like Tarzan instead of Jane.

You don't believe in coaching?

 

[AsthmaField]

You don't believe in coaching?

If coaching was everything, every great athlete would be a pro bowler. Mike Mamula would be a hall of famer instead of a poster child for Combine disasters.

Coaching helps, of course, but not all great athletes are great players, needless to say.

You knew all of that before you ever typed the question.

 

[Future]

Good question about those three.

For me, I can't really explain it, but I just have a much better feeling about Ansah and definitely about Watson when watching their game footage than I do about Hunt.

There's that...and Hunt is 26. He's in his physical prime and isn't dominant against guys who are 5 years younger. What's he going to do against NFL calibre OLineman.

Definitely passing on this guy.

 

[rags747]

Yeah 26 is kinda old for a rookie, no development time at all. We got Newman at 25 and everyone was ing at the end of how we should not have drafted a 25yr old rookie.

 

[InmanRoshi]

The difference between Ansah and Hunt is that Ansah steadily improved the more he plays and picks up coaching and technique quickly, while Hunt plateaued and is basically the same player he was coming into the year. Ansah looked completely out of his league the first practice of the Senior Bowl, but he picked up the coaching quickly and by the time the game came around he was the best player on the field. Being raw is understandable, but you got to demonstrate you have some natural feel and instincts for the game.

 

[kevinhickey]

He didn't look good at the senior bowl drills.

 

[TheCount]

If coaching was everything, every great athlete would be a pro bowler. Mike Mamula would be a hall of famer instead of a poster child for Combine disasters.

Coaching helps, of course, but not all great athletes are great players, needless to say.

You knew all of that before you ever typed the question.

I didn't say anything about greatness, hall of fame or pro bowl. There's a big jump between a guy getting better and a guy being an all time great.

You said he's not a good player, I'm asking if you believe he's going to get any better with coaching.

The difference between Ansah and Hunt is that Ansah steadily improved the more he plays and picks up coaching and technique quickly, while Hunt plateaued and is basically the same player he was coming into the year.

Really? I'd love to know what you're basing that on.

 

[BAT]

I recall having these same inane arguments about Max Unger, JJ Watt, Robert Quinn and Von Miller a few drafts back.

Naysayers will use any excuse because they have made up their mind about a player they really know nothing about. For a guy who is not a football player, Hunt only is 2nd in the history of the NCAA for blocks. This is a guy who's only played just under 3 years of football, at any level. And his sack production almost doubles Ansah's in 2012.

He is not perfect for sure and there is much he needs to improve but to label him as not a football player or say he is not worth a 2nd pick (some posters are saying he is not even worth a 4th) is pure ignorance. Some team will pick him in the 2nd, if not the first.

 

[AsthmaField]

I recall having these same inane arguments about Max Unger, JJ Watt, Robert Quinn and Von Miller a few drafts back.

Naysayers will use any excuse because they have made up their mind about a player they really know nothing about. For a guy who is not a football player, Hunt only is 2nd in the history of the NCAA for blocks. This is a guy who's only played just under 3 years of football, at any level. And his sack production almost doubles Ansah's in 2012.

He is not perfect for sure and there is much he needs to improve but to label him as not a football player or say he is not worth a 2nd pick (some posters are saying he is not even worth a 4th) is pure ignorance. Some team will pick him in the 2nd, if not the first.

I liked all of those guys... particularly Miller and Watt. Unger and Quinn were good football players too.

I don't think Hunt is. I apologize if that makes you angry.